well...
It can be a controversial topic.
is a radical musical universe that can be appreciated even beyond the political connotation
someone interested ?
I wouldn't have any problems w/ the politics (even if they are expressed in an oaf-ish manner), but I must say, I haven't heard any RAC I actually find in the least bit interesting musically. Unfortunately.
Mainly enjoy the Finnish stuff. From Mistreat, Sniper and Hate Crime up to more current bands Vapaudenristi, Pylvanainen and Pagan Skull. But Vandal, Honor, Bully Boys and Midtown Bootboys all deserve a mention too.
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It may be interesting to be introduced to this music world this nice book edited by feral house.
Indeed, that FH book is mandatory reading for all fans and newcomers to the genre. A heavily detailed history written by those involved.
Lately I've really been digging Legion from Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXLjLvbNiHM Has a very deathrock/post-punk sound to it, much like Honor's "Cena Idei". Other than that, I'd have to echo a lot of what was already mentioned like Vapaudenristi, Pagan Skull, Sniper, Mistreat, Hate Crime, Honor, Skrewdriver, Angry Aryans, I.N.F.A.N.T.R.Y., Blue Eyed Devils, Nordmacht, Stahlgewitter, Division Germania, Nordmacht, Iron Youth, Legion 88, Nouvelle Croisade, and Open Season. The "No Surrender" comps are good (at least volumes 1&2) as well as "Made In Japan (Skinhead Sounds From The Land Of The Rising Sun)". The book in the previous post is good, even if it reads a little dry with all of the pointless details of every release from that period.
Mostly enjoy the 28 bands with a bit more metal influence like Vengeance, Squadron and later Skrewdriver and the early White Noise era stuff from Public Enemy, Brutal Attack, Close Shave, Skullhead, ABH etc especially the recording quality. That feral house book has great descriptions and stories from the key albums of the movement.
Some personal faves:
Skrewdriver - Demo '83
Brutal Attack - Stronger than Before and Demos
No Remorse - This Time The World
Vengeance - Forward into War
Skrewdriver - The Strong Survive
White Diamond - The Reaper (commonly regarded as rubbish, but I like it)
Squadron - Our Time Will Come & Take The Sword
as said, still obsessed with the glory days of oi (cock sparrer, 4 skins, last resort, oppressed, early skrewdriver, criminal class, combat 84, condemned 84 etc.)
today I listen mostly to Japanese SSS bands (that are pratically metal), some French and Italian bands (still into nabat, cani, etc.), many American OI bands (past and present... )
bif fan of Hard Skin, started as a joke band, but delivered some of the best old school tunes ever.
bassist, If I am not wrong, is the brother of one of the author of the Feral House book which, I must admit, bored me after a while... I had great expectations, but it sounds more like name dropping of many people who came and went after a while...
Mistreat, Störkraft, Freikorps, Blue Eyed Devils, Fortress, Open Season, Vapaudenristi, No Remorse, Sniper, Division Germania etc. are highly appreciated bands in our household.
It is very charming also the graphic style of many releases , rude ans "illegal publication" mood.
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I love a lot of the classic oi-bands! RAC sub-genre is responsible for some of the worst music i've ever heard.
Those type of charming covers only used in old rac. Material these days almost exclusively goes to two categories:
1) horrid Photoshop turd
2) regular Photoshop covers lacking all personality and charm
Unfortunately this ALSO correlates with too large part of music.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 20, 2016, 11:20:51 PM
Those type of charming covers only used in old rac. Material these days almost exclusively goes to two categories:
1) horrid Photoshop turd
2) regular Photoshop covers lacking all personality and charm
Unfortunately this ALSO correlates with too large part of music.
.
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 20, 2016, 10:33:26 PM
It is very charming also the graphic style of many releases , rude ans "illegal publication" mood.
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Worth noting that Nicky Crane was responsible for a lot of the best art of the 80's including Skrewdriver - Hail the New Dawn and No Remorse - This Time the World to name just two - pretty sure he did most Skrewdriver covers until his Channel 4 appearance.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 20, 2016, 11:20:51 PM
Those type of charming covers only used in old rac. Material these days almost exclusively goes to two categories:
1) horrid Photoshop turd
2) regular Photoshop covers lacking all personality and charm
Unfortunately this ALSO correlates with too large part of music.
so true
Quote from: AXNAAR on September 20, 2016, 11:41:15 PM
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 20, 2016, 10:33:26 PM
It is very charming also the graphic style of many releases , rude ans "illegal publication" mood.
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Worth noting that Nicky Crane was responsible for a lot of the best art of the 80's including Skrewdriver - Hail the New Dawn and No Remorse - This Time the World to name just two - pretty sure he did most Skrewdriver covers until his Channel 4 appearance.
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this great artwork come from Crane right?
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 20, 2016, 10:33:26 PM
It is very charming also the graphic style of many releases , rude ans "illegal publication" mood.
(https://img.discogs.com/a33rObXgakUGtDcGerYrUfQHm5I=/fit-in/200x198/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3351513-1326926285.jpeg.jpg)
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I am all in for this kind of covers. I just like it. Fits this period in time imho.
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 21, 2016, 01:13:19 AM
Quote from: AXNAAR on September 20, 2016, 11:41:15 PM
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 20, 2016, 10:33:26 PM
It is very charming also the graphic style of many releases , rude ans "illegal publication" mood.
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Worth noting that Nicky Crane was responsible for a lot of the best art of the 80's including Skrewdriver - Hail the New Dawn and No Remorse - This Time the World to name just two - pretty sure he did most Skrewdriver covers until his Channel 4 appearance.
(https://img.discogs.com/10qFSnHLex9s-QnmSoB6Vdj1xdU=/fit-in/501x502/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1957501-1294506844.jpeg.jpg)
this great artwork come from Crane right?
Aye, a great work!
Some favourite covers. Similar charm as 80's private press metal LP's.
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sober 7" of No Remorse from Rebelles Européens
probably the best RAC label of the golden age
Quote from: tiny_tove on September 20, 2016, 05:59:30 PM
today I listen mostly to Japanese SSS bands
about Japan i know only Sladgehammer but i think i need to explore this scene
out of the tipical Europe-Usa area there is a nice Chilean band Orgullo Sur
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2uPsbvH6vM
from what I have heard, admittedly limited, this sounds like bad pub rock to me on the whole, just like the original screwdriver lp.
Quote from: david lloyd jones on September 21, 2016, 07:27:42 PM
from what I have heard, admittedly limited, this sounds like bad pub rock to me on the whole, just like the original screwdriver lp.
Ah! There's no hope for you mate!
Listen to
Vengeance - forward into war
Skrewdriver 1983 demo
Squadron - our time will come
No remorse - this time the world
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 21, 2016, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on September 20, 2016, 05:59:30 PM
today I listen mostly to Japanese SSS bands
about Japan i know only Sladgehammer but i think i need to explore this scene
jin ray
ouka
r.i.p.
hawks
bad vultures
aggro knuckle
cannons
strong style (my personal faves)
bulldog herucles
kokoro
raya
hawks
bull the buffalo
early Eastern Youth (now they rule for other reasons...)
and there are hundreds moe
start with the two samplers "fight back for the rising sun" and "werewolves"
Not exactly an expert in these genres, but there's some stuff that hasn't been mentioned yet, which I quite like.
Tors Vrede - Ave Victoria is great, though it's a mix of RAC/Viking Rock and some Metal thrown in.
English Rose has great tracks too, though some are less interesting. Belgian Kill Baby Kill is great of course. Really liked Hate Society too, very catchy, hilarious lyrics at times. Final War - We Speak The Truth is great too, sounds more like punk rock actually, but very catchy and some great sing along stuff (Remember Pearl Harbor!!!). Race War - The White Race Will Prevail is very good too.
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100% quality. Heavy rotation here since months.
A great part of the charm with the '80s RAC for me was the very socially marginalised and obsessive nature of the product, as well as the sheer amateurishness of the finished albums. Hail The New Dawn by Skrewdriver is very poor music, playing and production by any standards, and is so worried about its potentially illegal thoughts that it becomes heavily self-censored and paranoiac - the last track on the LP wants to say 'once it was our country, now it's run by Jews' but he just cannot bring himself to say it and 'now it's run by who?' is all he can utter. I live in the same town that ISD grew up in, know and drink with people he grew up with, know a lot about his unfortunate family background. Records like this and the equally charming Blood & Honour are really some kind of outsider art. Incredible sleeve art posted in this thread. I personally look for and often find and enjoy the mental illness, the loss and sadness, the sense of self-fulfilling failure and defeat in this material but that's just my own kink.
I enjoyed the Feral House book but the style was rather obsessive and anal retentive to say the least - those endless footnotes.
I wouldn't class Oi! with RAC at all, very different genres. I like the classic 4 Skins, Business and Last Resort material, the first two Cockney Rejects albums are transcendentally beautiful and truly great music, and you can't really go wrong with the often bizarre hotch potch of styles and mixed political messages featured on the first three classic Bushell compilations (Oi The Album, Strength Thru Oi, Carry On Oi).
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on September 23, 2016, 03:07:13 AM
I wouldn't class Oi! with RAC at all, very different genres. I like the classic 4 Skins, Business and Last Resort material, the first two Cockney Rejects albums are transcendentally beautiful and truly great music, and you can't really go wrong with the often bizarre hotch potch of styles and mixed political messages featured on the first three classic Bushell compilations (Oi The Album, Strength Thru Oi, Carry On Oi).
agreed in general, but in Italy first 15 years of rac was oi with nationalist lyrics. same goes with France I suppose.
but as said I agree with the separation of genres despite the obvious links
regarding social outcasts... everybody should watch the 100% white documentary... another doc where I have stolen hours of samples for memories from the pigsty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f0qZMUQcAs&list=PLFYTimOY8Bp32TkXQ4z9jfXaC5WW4_1ag
Today is the anniversary of the death of ISD
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 24, 2016, 08:46:59 PM
Today is the anniversary of the death of ISD
i give any bet that some clandestine rac concerts did happen yesterday
Quote from: Staalwaart on September 25, 2016, 02:14:51 AM
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 24, 2016, 08:46:59 PM
Today is the anniversary of the death of ISD
i give any bet that some clandestine rac concerts did happen yesterday
celebrated every year
about Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALPhA1xsRRw
In recent times, several vinyl reissues of Samurai Spirit Skinhead stuff has emerged. 7"s, compilations, etc... Also last year, Bound For Glory played tour in Japan, organized by "Blood & Honour Yellow Side".
Sledgehammer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eba-4935R6E
Ikazuchi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1e4CrlsiCI
Strong Style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvFEpdKb_AU
Kabuto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdAgGmsZ3-I
Aggroknuckle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15HGv1pVW4
Bull The Buffalos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA_t-zAvkY4
etc etc...
Most bands are fairly "same" in sound and style. Several also turned soft after couple recordings. Perhaps one of catchier bands is The Hawks, which should appeal to anyone into bands like Final War, Mistreat, Pluton Svea, etc. but sometimes melodic oi meets almost mall-punk, and suddenly almost poppy! hah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03pr9zH748k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jv3MdJo-kE
Some The Hawks stuff was reissued last year by European label.
Latest I got on 7" was Showdown. European label put out their 2015 CDR demo on vinyl. Whether it *really* needs to be on vinyl based on musical merits... hmm.. It's curious to think whether songs such as these are really "composed". Would you say to band mates that "I made this new riff", when everybody has heard the same riff countless time already. To me it is irrelevant, as overall feel is more crucial than what 2-4 chords one chooses to use as backing for the rest.. My only wish would be that more rotten and fierce sound quality would be needed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evqK9oY6_K8
Quote from: Staalwaart on September 25, 2016, 02:14:51 AM
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 24, 2016, 08:46:59 PM
Today is the anniversary of the death of ISD
i give any bet that some clandestine rac concerts did happen yesterday
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-37575508
Quote from: Peterson on October 09, 2016, 05:12:06 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 06, 2016, 10:32:51 AM
My only wish would be that more rotten and fierce sound quality would be needed!
Alright, so this small-town white boy regrettably hasn't picked up any RAC in the past couple years (although Vapaudenristi is pretty good) for the above reason...who can recommend the more gritty, punchy, and coarse RAC bands/records? Along the lines of the "harder" sound of say, Last Resort or Condemned '84, but, y'know, more obvious right-wing orientation.
Early Nahkampf
Honor "from struggle to victory"
Storkraft "drekig, kahl und hundsgemein"
Suggestions for ITALIAN RAC? Only know PEGGIOR AMICO
Quote from: wash in blood on November 10, 2016, 03:16:36 PM
Suggestions for ITALIAN RAC? Only know PEGGIOR AMICO
Not perhaps to be labeled "RAC", but melodic fascist tiger punk, Bronson, probably the best from Italy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvnIp0M4-aU
Both albums came out on vinyl recently too.
If you like Peggior Amico, probably will like things like some harder materials of Legittima Offesa, Civico 88, Nessuna Resa, etc..
From Italy one should always check Plastic Surgery "rivolta". Excellent melodic oi/punk, but song extensively covered by numerous RAC bands. For example by some above mentioned ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWabTXlyLjo
Original of course is better and also german Faustrecht version excellent.
try also Italian non-rac original band from the 80's:
early Nabat (they were the head of the Italian skinhead movement before politics, although they were playing in squats, etc.) , Basta, Rough, Fun, SS20, Dioxina, etc.
a good start is the compilation Quelli Che Urlano Ancora.
there have been some decent bands also in the second wave of apolitical oi (Incivili, 17100 Kids, Stab, etc.)
Quote from: wash in blood on November 10, 2016, 03:16:36 PM
Suggestions for ITALIAN RAC? Only know PEGGIOR AMICO
ADL 122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCYb7YGA_-c&spfreload=10
GESTA BELLICA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxqd5CDfBVA
ULTIMA FRONTIERA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2jpUOfOZzo
INTOLLERANZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLNb_rofyE
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 10, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
Not perhaps to be labeled "RAC", but melodic fascist tiger punk, Bronson, probably the best from Italy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvnIp0M4-aU
Great stuff !! Same "not prehaps to be..." goes for SPQR... simply best NSHC band from Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr-2Ex-nPhM
Does anyone know if there is a chance to buy Mistreat - flame from the north LP OR CD anywhere???
Quote from: Grübelschlinge on November 26, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
Does anyone know if there is a chance to buy Mistreat - flame from the north LP OR CD anywhere???
try to send a mail here
http://ravenscallrecords.com/
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on November 27, 2016, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: Grübelschlinge on November 26, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
Does anyone know if there is a chance to buy Mistreat - flame from the north LP OR CD anywhere???
try to send a mail here
http://ravenscallrecords.com/
Tried already. No reply. Maybe isn't active anymore.
Quote from: Grübelschlinge on November 26, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
Does anyone know if there is a chance to buy Mistreat - flame from the north LP OR CD anywhere???
Try this email: order@alternativeaction.fi
Sakaramiina (fin) has all. Also new bfg/mistreat split lp/cd set repress.
Quote from: Grübelschlinge on November 28, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on November 27, 2016, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: Grübelschlinge on November 26, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
Does anyone know if there is a chance to buy Mistreat - flame from the north LP OR CD anywhere???
try to send a mail here
http://ravenscallrecords.com/
Tried already. No reply. Maybe isn't active anymore.
the guy is active but i think is out of his base at the moment.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 28, 2016, 10:09:53 PM
Sakaramiina (fin) has all. Also new bfg/mistreat split lp/cd set repress.
How to order for Germans?
usually underground works in a way that you contact people you need to, and explain what you want. Unless there is modern type of "online store" to place orders.
Sometimes it may be few days of waiting, but I would assume it is obvious that most labels on the field are not doing it as "work" so one can't expect it to be as efficient as those who run "business".
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 11, 2016, 03:25:27 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 10, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
Not perhaps to be labeled "RAC", but melodic fascist tiger punk, Bronson, probably the best from Italy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvnIp0M4-aU
Great stuff !! Same "not prehaps to be..." goes for SPQR... simply best NSHC band from Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr-2Ex-nPhM
Have listened to these two artists for the last two months obsessively ever since seeing them posted here.
Haven't loved such a poppy punk band in ages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUhukcagwJI
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on September 20, 2016, 10:33:26 PM
It is very charming also the graphic style of many releases , rude ans "illegal publication" mood.
(https://img.discogs.com/9YvO1mAnXJaki0hz3_2TP3owsVs=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2614339-1302955126.jpeg.jpg)
Had the pleasure of listening to this Storm album a few months ago. Excruciatingly bad drummer from the waist down, keeps messing with the kick drum in every single song, as if the pedal is too loose or just an eager foot.
Quote from: holydeath on January 11, 2017, 05:04:32 PM
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It is very charming also the graphic style of many releases , rude ans "illegal publication" mood.
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Had the pleasure of listening to this Storm album a few months ago. Excruciatingly bad drummer from the waist down, keeps messing with the kick drum in every single song, as if the pedal is too loose or just an eager foot.
recently reissued
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recently reissued
For few years especially, there has been huge stream of vinyl releases/reissues. Most of genre classics & things worth of money seem to be reissued on LP.
Just recent, what may interest some Finns at least, is Mistreat/Bound For Glory LP as well as finally first time official LP "Faith & Fury". Curiously everything from good sounding record, glossy lyric sheets to non-pixelated covers, it seems almost
too good, hah...
New oi-project I started with some friends..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQbklKu5bAI&fbclid=IwAR2m249f48lW3grA5iIiF3hHQ-s0Rn3ZOEJb591wJ2HpKmTxzti0AhS-8ao
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Today is the anniversary of the death of ISD
i give any bet that some clandestine rac concerts did happen yesterday
you bet your ass they did, and i didn't get to attend any of them.
the only thing i didn't see previously listed that's worth mentioning is Twierdza, who can be fairly hit or miss, although everything i've heard off of "Lot Orła" is solid.
Mikko's probably gonna kill me for writing this, but I listen to Vapaudenristi (first two studio albums) like other people listen to NOFX or Lagwagon. So catchy and singalongy! I know a lot of Oi! is like that, but this particular brand is especially... melodic? I might have already read it somewhere, but what were the main influences? Plastic Surgery maybe?
In such case, you should check the 4th album, the latest "Kultainen Häkki". It may be the most melodic, most "punk", with lots of sing along type of thing. Plastic Surgery has been covered in one split album, influences were always pretty much the same: Antiseen, GG Allin, Skrewdriver, Störkraft, Freikorps, Brutal Combat, Misfits, etc.
Quote from: AXNAAR on September 20, 2016, 03:02:51 PMMostly enjoy the 28 bands with a bit more metal influence like Vengeance, Squadron and later Skrewdriver and the early White Noise era stuff from Public Enemy, Brutal Attack, Close Shave, Skullhead, ABH etc especially the recording quality. That feral house book has great descriptions and stories from the key albums of the movement.
Some personal faves:
Skrewdriver - Demo '83
Brutal Attack - Stronger than Before and Demos
No Remorse - This Time The World
Vengeance - Forward into War
Skrewdriver - The Strong Survive
White Diamond - The Reaper (commonly regarded as rubbish, but I like it)
Squadron - Our Time Will Come & Take The Sword
I also agree with the more "metal influence" being more enjoyable in RAC/Oi. Skrewdriver's The Strong Survive album, definitely has more metal sounding riffs than previous albums, some of the songs remind me of Atomkraft or other NWOBHM type stuff.
That book was certainly an entertaining read, without being amazingly well written and produced. Y'r man, Forbes, also had a Death In June book, in which he sort of came across as somewhat anti-racist, but that's not the case in the RAC one. Anyway, I'm not that gone on the metal influence, to be honest; I prefer the oi! style a bit more. Besides that, lot of RAC albums tend to have one or two very good tracks, and the rest are pretty forgettable - and that applies to Brutal Attack's latest, too. I know you could say that about most genres. However, one I came across recently was Celtic Dawn's "Faith And Fatherland". Not too polished, but better produced than some of this stuff. The lyrics are class, delivered with a perfect tone of base guttural resentment. More of the punk sound, less of the metal, and I suppose I must admit to seeking this out for the fact they were Irish lads having a go. Not sure if they were UK-based or not, but they did attempt to start some sort of scene here - which fell flat.
Brutal Attack latest was decent, but I think Mexico live CD was actually some of the best things for long time. Whole Mexico thing stirred quite a lot polemic in scene, but live album is good nevertheless!
Recently was at gig with Heroes (swe) playing after some years silence.
Indeed, it wasn't bad - but there's still only three songs I'd consider really top drawer. Perhaps just a matter of taste. Actually, managed to see Ken perform a couple of times last year, which was quite a treat! BA were also supposed to be playing in Scotland with Mistreat (!), but the "bioleninists" managed to spoil the fun! Bah!
I sing in this with some other old farts of the Italian Oi/HC scene, mixing everything we like. I'm the youngest and I'm 50s.
If interested I have a few cd and lps lefts, mostly sold out
Talking of Italian stuff, this summer in Finland played live Green Arrow and No Prisöner. Both pretty good. Playing very well, I was told they have past in sXe hardcore, so the looks and skills were about that. Very energetic. Never got the cds/records, though. At the festival, there was Norwegian TV crew making documentary of what is going on in Finland. They have been bugging me probably for couple years to give interview, but always been slightly hesitant to do so. Two days of beer drinking and journalists approached so.. "well, fuck it, lets get it over with..". What was being discussed.. hmm.. not sure. Lets hope edited bits won't be anything extra nasty if pulled out of context, hah..
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 29, 2023, 10:15:59 AMTalking of Italian stuff, this summer in Finland played live Green Arrow and No Prisöner. Both pretty good. Playing very well, I was told they have past in sXe hardcore, so the looks and skills were about that. Very energetic. Never got the cds/records, though. At the festival, there was Norwegian TV crew making documentary of what is going on in Finland. They have been bugging me probably for couple years to give interview, but always been slightly hesitant to do so. Two days of beer drinking and journalists approached so.. "well, fuck it, lets get it over with..". What was being discussed.. hmm.. not sure. Lets hope edited bits won't be anything extra nasty if pulled out of context, hah..
I know them quite well, especially Green Arrows. I interviewed both No Prisoner and Green Arrows for "Hatecore Connection". I can confirm that Green Arrows come from traditional hardcore, their first two albums were on Vacation House Records, which released albums by Italian hardcore heavyweights like Indigesti, Sottopressione and so on.
After those albums they made a U-turn and signed for Black Shirts Records. In part, this also depends on the particular situation of Trentino, with tensions between Italians and South Tyroleans, and related questions regarding the independence of South Tyrol which polarizes positions.
Ordered some stuff at Rock-O-Rama last week. It seems a lot of the recent reissues have songs with different titles or songs missing. But an original White Noise - First Assault cd is now finally coming my way.
There is legal consequences in many countries. Also Midgård has been reissuing many old classics, that have either songs removed, or all sorts of weird explosions or other sounds added to cover.. nasty words, haha.. Damn.
Some may have followed what has been happening to Rampage (uk) and it not fun times for old skinhead labels that face current day laws.
Quote from: BlackCavendish on November 29, 2023, 11:26:34 AMAfter those albums they made a U-turn and signed for Black Shirts Records. In part, this also depends on the particular situation of Trentino, with tensions between Italians and South Tyroleans, and related questions regarding the independence of South Tyrol which polarizes positions.
yes the whole Tyrol indenpendentism is very peculiar in our own view. Average locals always seen them as "NAZIS" also due to George Klotz being a wermacht soldier. While today they are quite left-leaning. Yet there is part of the independentists who feel as Germans. Deutsch Rock band Freiwild are in fact has roots on a NS band but now are shunning their past making antifas claims (also in songs) representing pretty well this contraddiction. As my friend stated people of those bands were part of a "notorious" SXE crew (one of the very few that lasted more than a couple of years) who, despite being quiet people took no shit from antisxe (we had many in Italy). Part of that crew was probably the best sxe Italian band ever existed, Last man standing, who were the Italian Chain fo strength, who were allies of other great bands like think twice, aging and product.
PS: Green arrows cds Face the truth is a blast!!!
I just listened to a few Green Arrows tracks online. Not my style. I love old Italian hardcore and also oi-classics like first Nabat 7" or Basta 7". I remember the Roma straightedge Legion in the 90's, always seemed like a big crew.
On the turntable right now; Condemned 84 - Storming to Power.
For those who care. Rebellion Records just released a 2nd LP of my oi-band; https://www.rebellionshop.com/diamond-dogs-world-serpent-12-mlp-lim-500-2clrs-pre-order-24-11.html
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on November 30, 2023, 04:25:43 PMI remember the Roma straightedge Legion in the 90's, always seemed like a big crew.
there were different crews in Rome, main one was the generic Roma Crew, Legion was the more militant vegan group. Then other crews. very lively scene indeed. Roma crew gave one of the best Italo-Oi! bands Colonna Infame. Left-wing with very over-the-top lyrics and unpc lyrics (like Erode del 68) and the 80s, the Oi karaoke band who did 2 excellent cover records.
good to know about your band!
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 28, 2023, 12:18:45 PMI sing in this with some other old farts of the Italian Oi/HC scene, mixing everything we like. I'm the youngest and I'm 50s.
If interested I have a few cd and lps lefts, mostly sold out
Definitely interested in a CD if you got one still.