Servitude. The First Sermon - 7" Xn Recordings 1995
"Servitude" starts with mid range fierce noise, trademark phaser feedback enters, it feels somehow mid range dominated, but suddenly deep percussive loop hits in, delivering bounding nearly ritualistic mood. Heavily effected vocal rant with lyrics you can't understand.
"Runners" sounds like mixing some sort of turntable noises, perhaps by passing train, chaotic movie samples, all blending into this distorted, lo-fi, but not "harsh" noise piece. Track is all the time on the move. It has certain feeling on repetition, but the way it is build, keeps it going forward and bringing in very distinctive and concrete sounds with minimal effects. Great ending of hysterical kid yelling something and sound of possibly bombers flying above, all collapsing to massive reverb. Intense.
Nice hard cardboard sleeve with running fit youthful men in front with postcard included and strangely orange vinyl. "The Condition upn which liberty is given to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHUXpOSqMwQ
Hatred. The Second Sermon 7" Praxis Dr. Bearmann 1995
Most limited of the 7"s and therefore easily the hardest one to find as original. "Hatred", with high pitched electronic sound similar to something like Intrinsic Action, with added fast beat underneath. Fast paced rather clear vocal assault on top. Lyrics perhaps not the most advance ones. They can be heard very clearly and also printed on the sleeve. Basically ranting about hating people, not because of their qualities, beliefs, etc, but just hating everybody.
B-side is much more interesting. Tape manipulations, loops, clean vocals with no effects, with more obscure lyrics of butcher. Perhaps references for war atrocities and concentration camps? It's basically just description of what happens in butchers shop.. "meat laid out, hard rigid layer on layer, rank and file, joint on joints. Red succulent in pools of blood..." and so on, but the final sentences "among the maimed and slaughtered, my carcass lies, add one more to the butchers bill". Cover decorated with rough b/w war images, inside poster a collage, red 7" wrapped into bloody butchers paper. War is and element in the order ordained by God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGAPXqkcKpM
Righteousness. The Third Sermon (7") Pylon Recordings 1995
One of the best if you ask me. The biggest edition, over 1000 pressed. "Casting of stones" is multilayered noise junk wall and collisions of machine malfunctions. It's almost like hi-speed Vivenza and old Haters layered on top of eachother with addition of cut up drums/cymbals and fast forwarded tapes? Just droning, creaking, jerking, industrial noise mayhem with frantic vocal delivery on top. Stone of death!! Stone of death!! Ability to even increase the level of intensity while the track goes on. Perfect timing of lyrics. Just amazing.
Things just get better. Mission To Kill (hand of mormon), I believe "Acknowledgement is due to Slave State" means that the contribution of powerful rhythm is from this American industrial unit. Steady beat of very crude rhythm is accompanied with sounds of trains, various incoming & going reverbed sounds, horns of approaching trains. Just totally futuristic, form perspective of old times and industrial revolution. Vocal performance is like sermon in massive cathedral. Massive reverb echoes. Mix of sounds is perfect. It simply could not be better. This to me is like culmination of what I would call "industrial music". Luckily due large pressing and cheap covers, this is possibly cheapest Con-Dom vinyl to buy, so don't hesitate a second if it's missing from your collection!
Retribution. The Fourth Sermon 7" Ant-Zen 1996
What I just said above? Possibly could repeat here. Now Con-Dom uses sources from Militia, Richard Ramirez and thanks Club Moral for vocal influence. You can basically hear the Militia track from their amazing 3xLP set now slightly processed and with additional layers of noise on top of the rhythm. Vocals include stronger and more in-you-face reverb, the middle of track becomes like surreal torture chamber with the sound what is just unheard on any other artists. I will bow down on this material.
On b-side low bassy humming sound on the back, with the most trademark Con-Dom phaser malformed vocal brutality. Sound of "electronics" reminds me more of something like Commodore 64 tapes being listening on regular tape deck? Or perhaps fast forwarded sounds of walkman. Crushes of broken glass? Strangely "spontaneous" mix, where volume levels change from time to time in unexpected style. It sound much silent compared to first side, but I assume it is thanks to dominating low end humming. Again, unique work. From maybe last third of song the humming transforms into short loop creating more aggressive mood, with random noises added into mix. Just perfect example of ability to "compose" PE track, which goes for so much more than just "noise background for vocals". And the strange thing is, that Con-Dom doesn't give impression as if he would have massive musical ambitions, but these serve as concept work related to project. My conclusion would be that the more thought given to concept & what music needs to represent seems to lead for interesting results? Isn't it cape fear tattoos on the cover? Revenge!
Love. The Fifth Sermon (7", Ltd) Self Abuse Records 1996
So what's with the trains? Perhaps this invention in UK, first transformed from wagon pulled by horses, bringing coal up from the mines. Later with steam engine, train being the perfect symbol of new era of man? And, besides that, it sounds good when done correctly. I remember my first own train recordings from early 90's, on micro cassette walkman, and since then, every couple of years returning to the sound source.
Fuck With Faith, starts with something that is clearly a train. There is added sound of grinding knife or axe into sharpening stone. At least, that's what it sounds to me, and also familiar method of creating sound. Aggressive vocals, with relatively dry sound. Fast paced, repeating few lines of lyrics with obsessive ranting style.
One of the most calm con-dom tracks in history? Light droning sounds, distant choirs, very slowly drifting tones and sounds, orchestral sounds, horns, circular saw noises,.... It is great sound, with semi melodic / harmonic approach, and the hostile and insulting vocals on top. You love me, you love me, You love me, you love me, You love me, you love me,.. you are weak, you are pathetic,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swb8roFFj7Q
Glory. The Sixth Sermon (7", Ltd) Slaughter Productions 1996
Daniel Menche sounds backing up Con-Dom vocal delivery. Slowly grinding dusty noise drones for whole side, couple layers slowly mixed to dominate different moments. Loops slowly rotate and typical vocal pacing delivering the Battle Hymn.
Speech starts the b-side. Explosion, what might not be even that, but simply very crude loop of something just being hit, creates rhythm. Very broken atmosphere. Old radio transmissions, warlike atmosphere. Everything sounds as if it would come from old radio, being little bit out of channel and having lo-fi mono speakers. Fence of Legs, indeed great fucking track. It is so crude in sound, one can only show this track as example how well some of the more "concrete" and physical sounds fit into power electronics / industrial, as opposed of relying on mere synthesizers. Commanding vocals only enter in the end of track to finalize great composition. Essential!
Law. The Seventh Sermon 7", Power & Steel 1996
Song starts with painful mid range noise drone, heavy waving low end humming and sounds of perhaps forklift? Sound is steady and strong, with necessary dynamics to keep it interesting, but no surprises. Just guaranteed killer Con-Dom track with more manifesting style of vocals with long lyrics. On the b-side Militia teams up for the additional rhythm. Throbbing synth of opening piece of 3xLP is something that one immediately recognizes. Originally short piece is looped whole track length. Daniel Menche is also quotes as sonic support on this release. Sounds like race cards speeding on distance. High pitched painful feedback dominated on the top. Another track with similar commanding vocals with long lyrics and the track ends with highly echoed rhythm taken from the end of same Militia track. Heavy reverb grows until track finishes. Law is very strong release among the sermons. Not to be missed.
Sermon Tochnit Aleph 1996
The additional 8th sermon, also often titled "Go Violently". Fast synth noise with "helicopter noise" style, slowly growing droning electronic on the back. Another strong commanding reverbed vocal assault. Noise drones grow stronger in the end, growing over the helicopter noise into climax.
On b-side, long dark gloomy bass synth, with some additional tones, not far from what he later did on "Holy Bible" mCD "Bible Right". Slowly drifting sound, with tones, in the end of short piece sudden yelling vocals the final words of the sermons.
As additional, there exists some different versions of the 7"s. 3rd sermon has some different quality covers in circulation. 4th sermon has special armybag version.
There is a separately available full color booklet with all the lyrics and extra artwork, professionally printed. Still available from the band, and perhaps soon back in stock on Freak Animal too. It is essential companion for the set.
For collectors, there was Con-Dom - "Sermons" Seven Reasons Why I Love My Saviour Jesus Christ. Very special "altar" with all the 8 singles. Not a box set, as some sources mentions. Images that for example discogs shows, do very little justice for the set. There are some changes, like golden lettering in some of the 7" and the booklet as well.
There are "rumours" that Tesco would be doing CD of these. And that is something what really is needed to do. Despite you generally can get the 7"s for 10-30 euros each almost all the time as 2nd hand, I do think one CD compiling everything offering it for nice price, would be mandatory. Lets hope it happens rather sooner than later...
........To be continued with other releases.
this might be my favourite pe+industrial band. I seriously contemplated killing markkulan poika when he showed me his copy of the colour of a mans skin set.
I have very little to ad to this thread since my personal "collection" is not very impressive. but ill read it while wiping saliva from my red beard. these overviews/whatever things are great.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 26, 2009, 03:37:54 PM
Sermon Tochnit Aleph 1996
The additional 8th sermon, also often titled "Go Violently".
Probably his most brutal lyrics. One of the favourites!
Quote from: niko penttinen on December 26, 2009, 04:11:36 PM
this might be my favourite pe+industrial band. I seriously contemplated killing markkulan poika when he showed me his copy of the colour of a mans skin set.
I have very little to ad to this thread since my personal "collection" is not very impressive. but ill read it while wiping saliva from my red beard. these overviews/whatever things are great.
Not too hard to find for not too high a price.
http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?release_id=138392&ev=rb
This was first issued as 2xLP + 1 sided 7" and later the pic 7"/1sided thing was sent to all who bought it. But I think some couldn't be reached. I MIGHT have extra copy of the pic 7" thing what was free addition. If you happen to get version without it, let me know.
I think 60euro is still tolerable costs for such masterpiece. I doubt that the prices are likely to go down that much in future?
Lets see if I have time to continue with few things today..
Con-Dom "Some people never get the chance" 7"
Kubitsuri tapes
Some people Some people Some people Some people Some people Some people Some people never. Some people never. never. never. never get never get. Never. Some people Some people Some people Some people Some people Some people Some people never. Some people never. never. never. never get never get. Never. some people never. never never get the chance... and so on. Lyrics of the song is only the one sentence, which is repeated in nearly "experimental poetry" method, although it's aggressive shouting through raw distortion. Loud and harsh high pitched noise is chaotically flooring everything ahead. It could be like Incapacitants with some additional sounds and hymns would be layered. Not exactly same, but you get some idea of utmost fastness of sound modulation.
Blue Sky on the 2nd side is strange. It is perhaps one of the most "dysfunctional" Con-Dom tracks. Sound just seems to be so intentionally fucked. All sounds are wowing and fluttering and changing pitch. Like walkman pause button manipulations, turntable rotation speed change etc. Vocals are reverbed clear shouting on top of song which goes from phase to another, but everything underneath seems to be underlining the imperfection, damage and plain weirdness. It's not the first time when I become paranoid about if my turntable is fucked. If it's not rotating 33 1/3, but actually changing it's pitch due some problem. Actually happened once, when electricity cord seems to be slightly out and turntable power not being constant. When I hear records like this, it often takes my focus away. Or maybe focuses too much. I had to listen some music with clear tones & pitch before I returned back to this 2nd track just to make sure this is indeed how it's meant to be.
I remember I was slightly disappointed with 7" when it came out after all the great sermons, especially since the cover is so brutally pixelated, and looking pretty crappy. But returns years later have proven that this IS not only good, but also highly exceptional. Just another release showing NOBODY does it like this. Not in past, not when this came out, and not these days. 100% unique.
Con-Dom / Militia / Laura Maes "familiedrama / pain" 7"
Praxis Dr. Bearmann
Already commented last week on PDB topic, but lets see what it really is... A-side is Militia providing environmental sounds and Con-Dom reconstruction sounds. We have strong pulse giving slow near heartbeat like pulse. Slow nearly sinning/vocal humming voice in distance. Ethereal keyboard with slow vibration. And layer of various field recordings going. Almost everything is relatively static and droney, but the field recordings give very very nice addition to whole texture. They are pretty random, but seems to follow certain amount of concept. In end of track you will hear possibly gunshots, female screams. Repeated is very unique sound of screeching metal through extensive manual delay. In the end, just the pulse fades away. Perhaps it was the ending heartbeat resulted by familydrama?
As I said before in PDB topic, it's just hard to associate this with either of the artists? This is great, but nobody would associate it with Con-Dom and probably not Militia either. It simply is so different from the other output at the time. Or ever.
On b-side music and words by Militia and cello by Laura Maes. Starts with ethereal humming with fast vibrating flanger, but immediately after that, I need to take by my words. THIS is total Militia. First vocal burst is like announcement from Militia organisation in beginning of the 3xLP, and after short cello improvisation moment, which sounds great by the way, the melancholic by very unmusical "keyboard percussion" starts. It goes through similar out-of-tune vibration like treatment though nearly unnoticed slow flanger/phaser. When the tones set the tempo, enters militaristic snare, small metal percussion elements, slow chords from cello, eerie whispering like female voice and suddenly whole piece starts to bring me recollections of Anita Lane debut 12" on Mute back in 89. With Neubauten, Nick Cave and co. helping her out to do tracks what also went to Ghosts of The Civil Dead movie soundtrack. I wish she would have continued the experimental music and not progressed into easylistening music not far from Nick Cave etc. In end of track synths start drone and classical violin music samples create noble atmosphere. Simply amazing. If you want for Con-Dom's violence, forget about it, but if you look for good industrial 7", simply no excuse. Especially 2nd hand copies circulate all the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRH2DMcqVj0
...more to follow!
CON-DOM "Live in Japan 2003" CD+CDR special edition
Teito Sound Company
Since I just listened "Some people..." 7", this CD is logical to play next. There exists regular version of normal CD in jewelbox, but also super limited special version on double jewelbox with bonus CDR disc. 30 copies of this exist, and
Well, lets see about it. I think I have reviewed this before on noisefanatics, but lets forget about it and see again. Blue Sky opens the set, which I have reviewed above. This version is stronger and louder. More compressed and heavier perhaps? Overall the same. Followed by new version old classic Mastes Speaks, known already from "All in good faith" Simply utmost massive piece of fierce noise drones, religious atmosphere, growing electronic noise, commanding voice. This version dedicated to Shoko Asahara). One can wonder did anyone from Japan deal with this cult after infamous strikes other than Incapacitants in their "Sarin... will kill every bad aum" 7"? From the west, several PE bands covered the topic. 3rd song is Patriotism (Yukoku), originally from the debute 7" on Tesco. Sound is overall noisier and harsher, but luckily commanding echoing voice is still clean and strong on the top. Then "Some people never get the chance" live. Again sound seems to be pushed harder and more compressed than original vinyl. More distortion, more in-your-face. You can recognize it is the same track, of course. Vocal delivery is different. And the sound. Now vocals are mangled through extensive phaser, totally inhumanizing them to electronic noise as opposed to original clear yet fuzzed vocals.
Hatred from sermon #2 continues the brutal noise approach. Everything pushed to louder and harsher and vocals malformed into bubbling phaser assault. Many are Called but few get up from collaboration with Grey Wolves. It continues the mood into logical end. Malformed phaser voice, brutal violent industrial-noise assault. Again must be much more noisier and violent than LP version.
CD booklet comes with lyrics and live photos and very nice design, but it does fail to mention that this isn't totally "pure" live recording. According to artist, some additions & "enhancement" was necessary to make release worthy of publication. And while I do appreciate aim for good release, I think maybe giving mention that it is studio treated material would be good? Nevertheless, I can only say that this is great. If you own original versions of tracks, this is worth to get. If you don't own any of those originals, you can survive this as substitute for a while. It is violent, harsh and abrasive. Just great.
Disc #2 is live in 20000V on same "tour". And you probably hear now how these actually sounded like before studio treatment? It is much closer to nature of the oldest live tapes. Lo-fi, thin, raw, fierce... Tracklist is different than disc #1, so it makes it worthy to listen to, but being such a lo-fi live recording, it doesn't match to the power of the studio tracks. Especially effected vocals are almost like some distant noise on the back, clean vocals work better and especially pleasury to hear some War Against Society materia... Still, I'd prefer this over majority of "raw PE" of today, since it simply has more character and primitive rawness in sound. If you have chance to buy this for fair price, don't hesitate, but if someone is asking for brutal collectors price due tiny edition, I would advice rather to invest money on something more valuable Con-Dom release.
...more to follow.
This was item I wanted to review next, but couldn't find it for weeks. Finally today after hours of cleaning & organizing, suddenly I see it somewhere where it should have not been.. Good to listen it again and remind how good it actually was.
CON-DOM "control domination" CD
Armed & Loaded
I remember when this was not published yet. And artists mentioned to me its been delayed like 5-6 years. At that time, it felt like lifetime. Well, later I have learned that it happens. Also in my own case. Anyway, when SFCR moved to USA, changed name as A&L, he finally got handful of exceptionally good CD's done, and this was one of them. CD bolted between two tiles, like slices of rock. Silkscreened art on top.
Album was recorded at 1993, so in actual timeline it should be placed as 2nd studio album. Between this and 8 pillars was "prince of our disorder" 3"+tape with live materials. And after it Acts of Faith 3" on Tesco and other smaller things. 7 songs in total, and playingtime over 70 minutes indicates that there are massive tracks here. Most notable ones should be the classic Locust Day, where the nature of concept sounds used in Con-Dom is present again. As main "electronics", is infact the sound of locusts. Or even more massive 20 minute title track culmination Control Domination! With diversity of sounds and the studio production, I'd still rate this album among the most violent works of Con-Dom. Compared to 8 Pillars of Acts of Faith, one can sense here much more severe punishment through high pitched electronic assaults and raw tape manipulations. Vocals most often are distorted or mangled through effects for maximum sonic damage. As opposed to reverbed preachers voice. Each track stands on its own. Some of them may be slightly too extended in length to maintain the utmost force whole playing time, but I'm not complaining. Lyrics are printed in insert. Many lines stand out as exceptional. Locust Day: Hear the night roar, feel the power, tear it all down, it moves me. I am insect, I am swarm, I am man, I am mass. Look at those eyes, where'd you get those eyes, insect eyes, those empty eyes, all those eyes, like a plague, disease, live vermin. I am liberty, I am freedom, I cleanse, I purge, Destroyer of the world. Locust Day. While lyric is rather obscure, with typical backing film reference to Day of the Locust, one can start to investigate the content and symbolism. The Day of the Locust original book, about usa great depression times, but filled with biblical references. Exordus, apocalypse,.. and not only that, but also some suggest book has metaphors of rising fascism in Europe at the time (book came out 1939). Some lyrics appear to be utmost rude and offensive. Church Without Christ opens with Sin is a trick of niggers, sin ain't on my books, sin ain't in my economy, I don't believe in sin ....... But despite the provocations, it has more. Lyrics are well written and despite the so called cliche topics of denounce on christianity, it has more anger and more depth than many juvenile attempts to do so. And it has more balls and more violence than many more philosophical and humanistic approaches. I preach the new church: The church without christ. Where the blind man don't see, criples don't walk, where what's dead stays dead. Where the blood of jesus don't foul. There is no fall, no redemption, no judgement.
500 was made, and unfortunately many of them destroyed by scratches due packaging. If you don't have it yet, keep your fingers crossed someone will get opportunity to re-issue with standard packaging and reasonable price!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcNszjdSaVE
Acts of Faith was pressd 900, so it is much more than any Con-Dom at that time. It's strange how little copies seem to be in circulation? My copy of the Taint/S&Q/Con-Dom box set came nearly plain white. All stickers were still inside the box, that you could put it together in d.i.y. style. Label's overseas policy to not have offensive art on top of box if custom opens it.
Topic of CE made me remember this. Lets dig it up from 3 years of sinking in message history...
I recall there was some rumors of Con-Dom part of War Against Society getting reissued... Hopefully!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFvkxt5ujxg
MOOR RAPIST!
In June, Berlin festival will have first ever screening of Con-Dom super-8 film materials. I assume many of them have not been seen by too many people and they are now first time digitalized. Including most of all 80's material.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cIXXatYJU0
MASTER SPEAKS!
Note: I have added several youtube links after old reviews in previous messages for those who want quickly check out some songs.
Quote from: SILVUM on January 25, 2010, 06:35:12 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 24, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
CON-DOM "control domination" CD
Armed & Loaded
I remember when this was not published yet. And...
I didn't really like the album the first time I listened, I was in the mood for harsh and loud vocals and thick tracks, but obviously this is a carefully considered masterpiece where sounds make sense and serve each track, no pointless loud and hard about nothing. When I re-listened to it later (after rediscovering it in one of my boxes of noise stuff) it was clear I was dealing with a brilliant piece of sonic extremity. The pacing which I at first found tedious is really like a forced march towards saturation of texture and mood.
Same here. At first I wasn't too impressed due to the thickness of the sound which made it a bit too static for my taste. I popped it back in a weeks ago and was really fucking impressed. I guess it's one of these albums that needs more than one listen.
I bought my copy from ebay for just over ten euros, real bargain. How was it originally packaged? Mine has the stone plate things as well as a jewel case with xeroxed cover (obviously copied from the stone plate) and a better printed back inlay. Was that part of the original edition or just a bonus from the seller?
The text of 'Moor Rapist' was taken entirely from a character's speech in British crime drama TV show Cracker - a psychopathic cop who rapes a female colleague. Always fun to find Con-Dom source material. 'Road To Total Freedom' is entirely from a chapter in L Ron Hubbard's 'Dianetics' which illustrates mental problems relating to domination or something like that.
War Against Society really is a kind of peak in his work alongside Colour of a Man's Skin, the Sermons and Acts Of Faith and it very much deserves a standalone reissue.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2010, 09:47:20 AM
Acts of Faith was pressd 900, so it is much more than any Con-Dom at that time. It's strange how little copies seem to be in circulation? My copy of the Taint/S&Q/Con-Dom box set came nearly plain white. All stickers were still inside the box, that you could put it together in d.i.y. style. Label's overseas policy to not have offensive art on top of box if custom opens it.
For some reason, Mike's text didn't get printed properly so he or the label made these clear stickers to fill in the blank letters. I don't believe I heard from anyone else who received copies of the boxset they had to assemble themselves. I bet Red Stream was just being lazy.
A reissue with "Act of Faith" & War Against Society material would be most welcome!
Quote from: kettu on December 26, 2009, 04:11:36 PM
this might be my favourite pe+industrial band.
I have very little to ad to this thread since my personal "collection" is not very impressive.
This.
Really really really wished I could have attended the Extreme Rituals fest just to have listened to Mike speak about "confrontation". Was wondering if anyone video taped the panel discussions?
First tapes on control domination, very direct.
War Against Society for sure.
The collaborations with nails of christ/GW
Lost my x of the holy communion on a game of poker - worst hands ever.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 24, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
T I preach the new church: The church without christ. Where the blind man don't see, criples don't walk, where what's dead stays dead. Where the blood of jesus don't foul. There is no fall, no redemption, no judgement.
Just a thought/sidenote. This could be a reference to the movie Wise Blood from -79, which is about a man going about preaching the church without Christ ?- Just these words "there is no fall" etc are used similiarly in the monologues, as well as the element of gauging eyes/voluntarily blinding. Perhaps this is a well-known reference? I just haven't thought about it until now...
I recall it was from some book... But not sure.
Wiseblood is the Church Of Christ Without Christ Crucified. Brad Dourif in one of the finest films ever made.
Played a really great set in November at the Tesco festival in Mannheim, was a nice surprise act.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 27, 2009, 08:01:26 PM
CON-DOM "Live in Japan 2003" CD+CDR special edition
Teito Sound Company
Since I just listened "Some people..." 7", this CD is logical to play next. There exists regular version of normal CD in jewelbox, but also super limited special version on double jewelbox with bonus CDR disc. 30 copies of this exist, and
Well, lets see about it. I think I have reviewed this before on noisefanatics, but lets forget about it and see again. Blue Sky opens the set, which I have reviewed above. This version is stronger and louder. More compressed and heavier perhaps? Overall the same. Followed by new version old classic Mastes Speaks, known already from "All in good faith" Simply utmost massive piece of fierce noise drones, religious atmosphere, growing electronic noise, commanding voice. This version dedicated to Shoko Asahara). One can wonder did anyone from Japan deal with this cult after infamous strikes other than Incapacitants in their "Sarin... will kill every bad aum" 7"? From the west, several PE bands covered the topic. 3rd song is Patriotism (Yukoku), originally from the debute 7" on Tesco. Sound is overall noisier and harsher, but luckily commanding echoing voice is still clean and strong on the top. Then "Some people never get the chance" live. Again sound seems to be pushed harder and more compressed than original vinyl. More distortion, more in-your-face. You can recognize it is the same track, of course. Vocal delivery is different. And the sound. Now vocals are mangled through extensive phaser, totally inhumanizing them to electronic noise as opposed to original clear yet fuzzed vocals.
Hatred from sermon #2 continues the brutal noise approach. Everything pushed to louder and harsher and vocals malformed into bubbling phaser assault. Many are Called but few get up from collaboration with Grey Wolves. It continues the mood into logical end. Malformed phaser voice, brutal violent industrial-noise assault. Again must be much more noisier and violent than LP version.
CD booklet comes with lyrics and live photos and very nice design, but it does fail to mention that this isn't totally "pure" live recording. According to artist, some additions & "enhancement" was necessary to make release worthy of publication. And while I do appreciate aim for good release, I think maybe giving mention that it is studio treated material would be good? Nevertheless, I can only say that this is great. If you own original versions of tracks, this is worth to get. If you don't own any of those originals, you can survive this as substitute for a while. It is violent, harsh and abrasive. Just great.
Disc #2 is live in 20000V on same "tour". And you probably hear now how these actually sounded like before studio treatment? It is much closer to nature of the oldest live tapes. Lo-fi, thin, raw, fierce... Tracklist is different than disc #1, so it makes it worthy to listen to, but being such a lo-fi live recording, it doesn't match to the power of the studio tracks. Especially effected vocals are almost like some distant noise on the back, clean vocals work better and especially pleasury to hear some War Against Society materia... Still, I'd prefer this over majority of "raw PE" of today, since it simply has more character and primitive rawness in sound. If you have chance to buy this for fair price, don't hesitate, but if someone is asking for brutal collectors price due tiny edition, I would advice rather to invest money on something more valuable Con-Dom release.
...more to follow.
Just picked this up from the record store the other day (not the special edition) and I love it. Slowly but surely doing what I can to pick up as much Con-Dom without being forced to eat ramen for weeks.
I have a vhs tape of a couple of his performances in San Francisco in the '90s. I think the material performed is from the first full-length LP & he used 8mm backing films of him being whipped. I don't have a vcr anymore. Transfers of the audio would make a nice bootleg...
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 27, 2013, 11:08:07 PM
I have a vhs tape of a couple of his performances in San Francisco in the '90s. I think the material performed is from the first full-length LP & he used 8mm backing films of him being whipped. I don't have a vcr anymore. Transfers of the audio would make a nice bootleg...
Now I have visions of him persuading someone to whip him on camera by explaining 'it's for a serious art project, based on the life of T.E. Lawrence'.
Last time I saw Con-Dom the backing films seemed to be footage of the West Midlands during the 1980s - depressing social realist footage.
A rare Con-Dom VHS I had was him live at Bar Sate during the 1990s phoning in the vocals for Smell & Quim 'What's Your Health Problem' - 'WHEN I TAKE THE PISS OUT OF YOU, I'LL USE A FUCKING CATHETER' - I think I sent this to Mike as he had never had a copy...
The 'bonus footage' on the L-White Con-Dom/Grey Wolves DVD is pretty funny - cameraman follows Con-Dom to the toilets to watch him take a piss. Typical German behaviour.
Took a look at the Con-Dom video & both performances are from 1991. Is there anyone in the US that can make a good vhs transfer to dvd-r? It'd probably be good to save the material before I toss the last remaining videos I have & not notice what is what. I could send a dvd-r of the performances to Mike. Since the video is ntsc, he may not have a copy.
Drop me a msg if anyone is willing to do the vhs transfer/burn. We can work out a trade or something.
con-dom footage on 'duchess of york' video (old europa cafe) live in leeds 1991 or 92 is also along the lines of what keith describes. s&q and the haters are also on the video. sorry i can't rip em online either. simon - weren't you at that gig? techno animal headlined but aren't on the old europa cafe video, though i do have video of their set too (it's 1st album drum machine/sax era stuff)
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 25, 2013, 08:14:03 AM
I recall it was from some book... But not sure.
It's from
Wiseblood by Flannery O'Connor.
Had no idea they made a movie out of it though. Have to look into that.
Very specific sound, i like similar things
Mikko, can you make photos of "8th Sermon" 7"?
Is that 7" available apart from "Seven Reasons Why I Love My Saviour Jesus Christ"?
It's the 7" titled just "sermon" or "go violently" 7":
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=184367
CON-DOM "Nothing" tape
Seeing some of the prices these days can really be annoying. What was this? Wholesale at least was like 6,50 + tax + shipping. Making unit price of wholesale deal closer to 9-10 euro. But well, golden color C-60 tapes with body prints, slipcase and carton cover printed with golden color ink too. All professionally manufactured. So probably they aren't even making much money with this after all. So it's up to customer if you're going to invest the necessary funds to get this. Two live shows, one in German one in Israel. First one appears to be soundboard recording, which provides good solid noise with all the clarity (well - in Con-Dom standards!), but vocals are kind of loud & "pasted on top" feeling. As soon as you get used to it - not bad. Israel show is dirtier, noisier sound, which appears to be like... audio taken from video recording? Not perfect, and you got audience chatting here and there, recording place moves during set, which changes the sound. But vocals blend in nicer. 8th Pillar material gets nice dose of dirt and blurring in live versions. It's been ages since I listened A Prince Of Our Disorder, which includes live material of same songs. But being 1991-1992 recordings, I would assume there is difference in sound and performance? Certainly good for Con-Dom to release this, unfortunately just 100 tapes. The pace how quickly they sold out, maybe 200 for little cheaper price would have been better for all Con-Dom fanatics out there...
Why does it seem so difficult to find the whole 'Colour of a man's skin' Lp set?
http://www.discogs.com/sell/release/138392?ev=rb
Maybe because white 7" came out much later, after many copies of set had been sold. I remember back in the day, when I sold perhaps 10-15 of this set, and later heard they will send extra 7"+ pic 7" (due missing track), I had no way even remembering who all bough the set. For long time half of the 7"s just collected dust, waiting for people to let me know they bought the original set, hah...
All gone now?
I dug my copy out & it has both 7"'s. I thought it did but then reading what Mikko wrote, I started thinking it was just two LPs.
A friend of mine got two pic 7"s with his copy of the set, but no white 7". My set has the LPs + the pic 7" but not the white one. A regular complete set seems rare.
Also, my pic 7" has "White Christmas" on it, not "Ebony And Ivory" as the discogs page states. Is this the case for anyone else? Still haven't heard his rendition of that song.
Quote from: Baglady on May 22, 2015, 09:53:50 PM
My set has the LPs + the pic 7" but not the white one. A regular complete set seems rare.
Also, my pic 7" has "White Christmas" on it, not "Ebony And Ivory" as the discogs page states. Is this the case for anyone else? Still haven't heard his rendition of that song.
Yeah, my set is exactly the same.
I didn't pay attention to the track listings on my copy but I'll dig it out to check. I know on top of one of the 7"'s was insert with all the song titles. I pulled it up to make sure there was a record behind it.
My pic. 7" has "Ebony and Ivory" on it, but I only have the one 7", unfortunately. Did the pic. 7"s with "White Christmas" on them have the lyrics to "White Christmas" on them, too, or what?
The pic disc has the lyrics for "Ebony & Ivory" on it:
People are different/there is black and there is white/we learn to live/we learn to live despite each other/in order to survive
To stay alive/ebony and ivory/side by side/together apart/perfect
None of the inserts have lyrics for "W.C.". Since I've got this sucker out, I'll give it a spin. It's been a very long time since I've played it.
Mine came with both when I bought it from Cheeses many years ago....
Complete content of classic eight 7" series Sermons remastered as 2xCD in nice packaging due for release on Tesco.
Also all-new material - the first for many years - due on Tesco too, double LP, 3 sides music and one etching. And he's already recording a follow-up to that.
Don't ask me for further information or details - this is just stuff Mike told me in the pub today. EDIT: may have got the labels wrong for one of these...
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on June 20, 2015, 10:39:09 PMAlso all-new material - the first for many years - due on Tesco too, double LP, 3 sides music and one etching. And he's already recording a follow-up to that.
Don't ask me for further information or details - this is just stuff Mike told me in the pub today.
im already ejaculating honey for this
He told me about new album when he was at my home.
So happy for Sermons. Hope we'll see Colour... reissue one day.
Shards Of Ordnance is such a great package and works much better as a double album than might be expected from a compilation put together from stray tracks - superb packaging, mastering, sequencing - can't recommend more highly.
Very much looking forward to hearing the new Con-Dom material.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on June 20, 2015, 10:39:09 PM
Complete content of classic eight 7" series Sermons remastered as 2xCD in nice packaging due for release on Tesco.
Also all-new material - the first for many years - due on Tesco too, double LP, 3 sides music and one etching. And he's already recording a follow-up to that.
Anybody knows more about the actual status of those planned releases mentioned above?
Quote from: cr on June 05, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on June 20, 2015, 10:39:09 PM
Complete content of classic eight 7" series Sermons remastered as 2xCD in nice packaging due for release on Tesco.
Also all-new material - the first for many years - due on Tesco too, double LP, 3 sides music and one etching. And he's already recording a follow-up to that.
Anybody knows more about the actual status of those planned releases mentioned above?
Track from the new album already included here:
https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/album/digital-works-ii
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on June 05, 2016, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: cr on June 05, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on June 20, 2015, 10:39:09 PM
Complete content of classic eight 7" series Sermons remastered as 2xCD in nice packaging due for release on Tesco.
Also all-new material - the first for many years - due on Tesco too, double LP, 3 sides music and one etching. And he's already recording a follow-up to that.
Anybody knows more about the actual status of those planned releases mentioned above?
Track from the new album already included here:
https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/album/digital-works-ii
Out of all the times I've had to learn this, it must be when my internet is down in the gutter due to some isp bullcrap so that I cant actually listen to it!
Quote from: cr on June 05, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on June 20, 2015, 10:39:09 PM
Complete content of classic eight 7" series Sermons remastered as 2xCD in nice packaging due for release on Tesco.
Also all-new material - the first for many years - due on Tesco too, double LP, 3 sides music and one etching. And he's already recording a follow-up to that.
Anybody knows more about the actual status of those planned releases mentioned above?
The new double LP is definitely in production, as the cover and title are featured in a Tesco advert in the new issue of noise receptor journal. There are no other details for the timing for release, so I will leave it up to Tesco HQ to formally announce the title and release date.
Out in 7 days, according to a post by Tesco on FB 1hr ago.
Gotta hope theres reasonable ammount of the 2xlp edition. Would hate to miss it just because I won't be able to pay it right now.
Available now for preorder on Tesco Germany webstore : http://www.tesco-germany.com/
2xLP boxset and CD digipack. Boxset is expensive... I don't like the artwork at all but I'm curious to see the full package and booklet.
Full streaming here : https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/track/how-welcome-is-death-to-i-who-have-nothing-more
That image is truly harrowing! I'll wait till I have the album before listening but yes, fucking hell what a brutal, BRUTAL, cover.
Apologies if this was already addressed, but where is a good place to start with Con-Dom for a newbie? I only have a compilation or two featuring the project but would like to hear more. Apparently the new album will be worth hearing from what you're all saying..
Have Faith tape
All In Good Faith tape
The Eighth Pillar - A Confession Of Faith LP
Colour Of A Man's Skin box-set
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 07, 2016, 10:51:28 PM
Apologies if this was already addressed, but where is a good place to start with Con-Dom for a newbie? I only have a compilation or two featuring the project but would like to hear more. Apparently the new album will be worth hearing from what you're all saying..
Con-Dom's best material was for the "War Against Society" compilation & those tracks have been reissued (along with Grey Wolves) by Unrest Prod. on the "Waging War against You" cd.
Also, the "Acts of Faith" 3" cd released by Tesco Org is excellent.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on June 07, 2016, 08:04:23 PM
That image is truly harrowing! I'll wait till I have the album before listening but yes, fucking hell what a brutal, BRUTAL, cover.
Have to agree with that. I like that cover from a design perspective. Lots of material and conversation to have around right to live/die, mercy groups, ghoulish supporters, the stranger characters in the medical field who advocate for the patient rights, and the politics swarming the argument. I'm liking the topic and think it is deserving of a power-electronics approach. Good idea.
Not too sure about the vocals after listening to a track on band camp..
Quite beautiful really, in a not entirely pe ish way. (edit-the overall presentation / approach , not the vocals per se.) Listened to the first proper track on bandcamp and the vocal re-presentation is about dead on (no pun intended).
NP: Macronympha "Intensive Care"
A notice from Discogs popped up in my email informing me that Con-Dom's "All in Good Faith" is ban for sale:
https://www.discogs.com/Con-Dom-All-In-Good-Faith/release/49019?utm_campaign=sell-blocked-release&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional
I couldn't figure out why until I took a second look & noticed "Sir Nigger" in the track list.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 14, 2016, 01:24:47 AM
A notice from Discogs popped up in my email informing me that Con-Dom's "All in Good Faith" is banned for sale:
https://www.discogs.com/Con-Dom-All-In-Good-Faith/release/49019?utm_campaign=sell-blocked-release&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional
I couldn't figure out why until I took a second look & noticed "Sir Nigger" in the track list.
Same thing with "Waging War Against You" and also albums from a number of other projects. Sensitive times.
grey wolves division is banned too
They are fucking assholes!!! That must stop!!
Quote from: TordonLjud on June 14, 2016, 01:28:18 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 14, 2016, 01:24:47 AM
A notice from Discogs popped up in my email informing me that Con-Dom's "All in Good Faith" is banned for sale:
https://www.discogs.com/Con-Dom-All-In-Good-Faith/release/49019?utm_campaign=sell-blocked-release&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional
I couldn't figure out why until I took a second look & noticed "Sir Nigger" in the track list.
Same thing with "Waging War Against You" and also albums from a number of other projects. Sensitive times.
Colour of a Man's Skin also.
Quote from: Ernpe on June 14, 2016, 10:53:49 AM
Quote from: TordonLjud on June 14, 2016, 01:28:18 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 14, 2016, 01:24:47 AM
A notice from Discogs popped up in my email informing me that Con-Dom's "All in Good Faith" is banned for sale:
https://www.discogs.com/Con-Dom-All-In-Good-Faith/release/49019?utm_campaign=sell-blocked-release&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional
I couldn't figure out why until I took a second look & noticed "Sir Nigger" in the track list.
Same thing with "Waging War Against You" and also albums from a number of other projects. Sensitive times.
Colour of a Man's Skin also.
I think this can all be put down to a few individuals with a knowledge (but little understanding) of the genre satisfying their own garbled political agendas.
I wonder if Patti Smith's 'Rock N' Roll Nigger' or Lennon's 'Woman is the Nigger of the World' will also be banned??? I highly doubt it.
Quote from: Dr Alex on June 14, 2016, 10:41:33 AM
They are fucking assholes!!! That must stop!!
Why?
I thought Con Dom is no Chart Entry, Easy Listening Music next to Justin Biber, more a Provocative Mirror to the Society
But maybe i'm wrong...
Quote from: totalabuse on June 14, 2016, 05:48:43 AM
grey wolves division is banned too
Fuck, then I was lucky enough to purchase a copy of this one just one day before it got banned.
Of course - their business, their rules - but all these are strange choices for banning nonetheless. But then, maybe only from my point of view...
CON-DOM - HOW WILCOME IS DEATH - 2LP BOXSET
Tesco
The image seen online doesn't do justice for the record itself. All those odd black lines over logo and so on are not part of actual finished item.
I must say, as we're talking of one of my favorite bands, it's hard to really pretend as if I could approach it objectively. Nor I think it should be aim either. So many years of listening Con-Dom's work, seeing gigs and so on, there is couple decades of setting both: expectations as well as forgiving certain aspects.
I have never thought that Con-Dom would be the kind of stuff one could call "audiophile noise". I don't think there is aim to get sounds to be eye-candy to noisefans, but be elements in conceptual art pieces. At least in all his full length albums.
What album loses in technical aspects - be it pixelated images or some snapping loops, it wins in strength of material overall. I get a feeling, that images may have been with purpose evading all aspects of "arty" - to be as real and as blunt as possible. Few technical flaws or tinny sounds barely matter, when Con-Dom again displays to remain master in creating both, arch within individual tracks as well as within album. It's subject matter is pulled from various sources, testimonies of terminally ill, dying, people losing their lifeforce. Very different take to control and domination, but still clear. Perhaps clearest in suicidal wishes. "I am so tired of being dependent on people". There are some aggressive material as well, but mostly album is like the theme. Eerie and disturbing.
I have yet to listen is CD sounds different than vinyl, but I'd say that despite fancy box and neat double vinyl format with etching on the D-side.... I think CD lay-out with smaller booklet and multi-panel digipak works better with the graphics.
I am bowled over with the quality of this release. I only have vinyl edition. I think the size of the photographs in the tract capture the statements and theme really wee which (I think) may be lost in small CD booklet format (?), less demanding more disposable. These pictures / photographs have to be studied. The single sided 12" is the most powerful I have heard Con-Dom in a while.
What is really annoying about the CD, is that the next track already starts at the end of the previous track, and suddenly there's a gap with silence, and then the number of the track changes and the next track continues. Not sure if this description is understandable. But if you listened to the CD, I think you know what I mean.
Quote from: cr on July 09, 2016, 06:15:11 PM
What is really annoying about the CD, is that the next track already starts at the end of the previous track, and suddenly there's a gap with silence, and then the number of the track changes and the next track continues. Not sure if this description is understandable. But if you listened to the CD, I think you know what I mean.
Yes, I was going to say this is my only "complaint" of an otherwise immense album. I think it can be corrected listening on a computer but in my car I can't escape it. It's a minor niggle however that doesn't ruin the album.
While I can see the positive effect on second-hand market from this kind of music being banned from Discogs, there is some stuff I'd like to buy I can't find anymore.
I was looking for a copy of the Colour Of A Man's Skin set and willing to pay Discogs prices (around 50 - 60 euros if I remember correctly), but now except on this forum, I'm not sure where to post to find a copy, same for Streicher CDs.
Any suggestion ?
Quote from: parapluie on July 10, 2016, 01:54:09 AM
While I can see the positive effect on second-hand market from this kind of music being banned from Discogs, there is some stuff I'd like to buy I can't find anymore.
I was looking for a copy of the Colour Of A Man's Skin set and willing to pay Discogs prices (around 50 - 60 euros if I remember correctly), but now except on this forum, I'm not sure where to post to find a copy, same for Streicher CDs.
Any suggestion ?
This Release isn't banned or not anymore. I don't know
You can get some Streicher/Goldenrod CD's from Freak Animal and a Rerelease from Old Captain.
Doesn't understand why you won't look at all these Mailorders. There are so much with Deadstocks.
Quote from: Goat93 on July 10, 2016, 11:09:06 AM
This Release isn't banned or not anymore. I don't know
You can get some Streicher/Goldenrod CD's from Freak Animal and a Rerelease from Old Captain.
Doesn't understand why you won't look at all these Mailorders. There are so much with Deadstocks.
You're right, thanks. It seems to be unbanned from discogs now, it's just that sellers have yet to put their copies back on sale, that's why I didn't notice.
About Streicher : the three CDs I'm looking for are long sold out. Already got everything that is still available.
Parapluie - why don't you use the "classifieds" section + put up a wants list?
As said in my previous post, that's what I did. Will give Maniacs Only and Stench forums a try, just thought about these.
Sorry for the off-topic ! Thanks for the help.
I just got the Con-Dom "How Welcom is Death..." 2xLP box in the mail yesterday I have to say this is one bleak and depraved record. Aurally, Visually, Aesthetically....hands down down of the most genuinely disturbing records I own. Great releases.
Quote from: BlackHole on August 26, 2016, 04:38:40 AM
I have to say this is one bleak and depraved record. Aurally, Visually, Aesthetically....hands down down of the most genuinely disturbing records I own. Great releases.
Seconded!!
Con-Dom's "How Welcome Is Death..." album is propably (one of) THE most devastating, frustrating and depressing Industrial/PE album that have been ever released expressing simultaneously a personal statement (about euthanasia due to inacurable/untreatment diseases in this situation) and an unavoidable life experience, even if you're the dead or the living. You have to listen to the whole album from beginning to end cause listening to clips on Youtube ain't worthy at all and ruins the matter of its creation. Well structured and composed lyrically and sonically with devotion, respect and ethos to its serious subjects of life and death.
Definitely one of the best albums of this year.
$54.99 for the lp....hoping the availability lasts a little bit longer on this one as I'm scrounging and saving here..
Quote from: BlackHole on August 26, 2016, 04:38:40 AM
I have to say this is one bleak and depraved record. Aurally, Visually, Aesthetically....hands down down of the most genuinely disturbing records I own. Great releases.
I honestly can't see what is depraved at all about this release.
an intense and intensely moving meditation on death and dying without prurience or sensationalism, and all the more powerful for it.
Quote from: david lloyd jones on August 28, 2016, 05:23:43 PM
Quote from: BlackHole on August 26, 2016, 04:38:40 AM
I have to say this is one bleak and depraved record. Aurally, Visually, Aesthetically....hands down down of the most genuinely disturbing records I own. Great releases.
I honestly can't see what is depraved at all about this release.
an intense and intensely moving meditation on death and dying without prurience or sensationalism, and all the more powerful for it.
In total agreement with that. Maybe it's a case of personal experience. You and I have seen what this album deals with in our professional lives which makes it more obvious to us but none the less unsettling. It is for me anyway. I don't respond well to dementia patients or the circus that the law requires when an old person without a DNR enters the path to end of life. It's horrible. This album brings it straight into my home when I listen to it. It's a brilliant but difficult album for me.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on August 28, 2016, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: david lloyd jones on August 28, 2016, 05:23:43 PM
Quote from: BlackHole on August 26, 2016, 04:38:40 AM
I have to say this is one bleak and depraved record. Aurally, Visually, Aesthetically....hands down down of the most genuinely disturbing records I own. Great releases.
I honestly can't see what is depraved at all about this release.
an intense and intensely moving meditation on death and dying without prurience or sensationalism, and all the more powerful for it.
In total agreement with that. Maybe it's a case of personal experience. You and I have seen what this album deals with in our professional lives which makes it more obvious to us but none the less unsettling. It is for me anyway. I don't respond well to dementia patients or the circus that the law requires when an old person without a DNR enters the path to end of life. It's horrible. This album brings it straight into my home when I listen to it. It's a brilliant but difficult album for me.
thanks. certainly it's connection to our professional lives drives the topic home in a way not obvious or even available to a general audience. my album of the year so far, and can't see anything else coming close.
IFOTS often describes CON-DOM as top of the food chain and not without reason. While my contempt for many an old timer who lost or threw away their mojo is probably well known I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for Dando. His first release in 15 years and there's not a hint of rustiness or being stuck in the past. Something for everyone, high or low, young and old to aspire to.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on August 28, 2016, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: david lloyd jones on August 28, 2016, 05:23:43 PM
Quote from: BlackHole on August 26, 2016, 04:38:40 AM
I have to say this is one bleak and depraved record. Aurally, Visually, Aesthetically....hands down down of the most genuinely disturbing records I own. Great releases.
I honestly can't see what is depraved at all about this release.
an intense and intensely moving meditation on death and dying without prurience or sensationalism, and all the more powerful for it.
In total agreement with that. Maybe it's a case of personal experience. You and I have seen what this album deals with in our professional lives which makes it more obvious to us but none the less unsettling. It is for me anyway. I don't respond well to dementia patients or the circus that the law requires when an old person without a DNR enters the path to end of life. It's horrible. This album brings it straight into my home when I listen to it. It's a brilliant but difficult album for me.
completely in line regarding the concept, sad without being pathetic and no single hint of exploitation. a very personal documentation of an important piece of his life slowly collapsing.
personal topics are always difficult to express... he won everything.
Staring at that woman's face on youtube while listening to "T4" is kind of uncomfortable.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 29, 2016, 09:35:13 PM
Staring at that woman's face on youtube while listening to "T4" is kind of uncomfortable.
I'm sure you know, but 'that woman's face' is mikes mother in the final stages of her life
Quote from: david lloyd jones on September 02, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 29, 2016, 09:35:13 PM
Staring at that woman's face on youtube while listening to "T4" is kind of uncomfortable.
I'm sure you know, but 'that woman's face' is mikes mother in the final stages of her life
Nope, that's info I was not privy to. Now, I'm less interested in owning it.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 02, 2016, 09:13:23 PM
Quote from: david lloyd jones on September 02, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 29, 2016, 09:35:13 PM
Staring at that woman's face on youtube while listening to "T4" is kind of uncomfortable.
I'm sure you know, but 'that woman's face' is mikes mother in the final stages of her life
Nope, that's info I was not privy to. Now, I'm less interested in owning it.
really? why ?
I have my own near-death relatives to look at, I don't need Mike's.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 02, 2016, 10:07:53 PM
I have my own near-death relatives to look at, I don't need Mike's.
well, says it all.
so many others don't
Listened album today again and it is album that appears to grow more. With 3 LP's worth of Atrax Morgue before putting Con-Dom on turntable, one could really appreciate the depth of compositions and substance. Not that there was something wrong with A.M. either. Still, with few flaws I wrote about before, album is unique in the genre and superior in comparison to A LOT of groups. Like pointed by some, Con-Dom clearly presents the strongest new material out of anyone from old league of England. It also manages to take its substance to new direction without delivering just the expected.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 02, 2016, 10:07:53 PM
I have my own near-death relatives to look at, I don't need Mike's.
It's one of the hardest things anyone has to do.
Haven't heard the new album yet, but on the subject matter I'm going to run the risk of being a wanker and say for the most part, for me, it's just another day at the office. I can't remember the number of people I've seen die, let alone their names. We come, we go.
But for what it's worth, I applaud Mr Dando for approaching this subject, particularly from his perspective. For me, the greatest pain is not for those dying but those nearest and dearest. When residents die, I don't cry. But when I talk to relatives or spouses during or after palliation, that can put me over. The dead don't suffer, that's a privilege of the living.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 22, 2013, 09:53:50 PM
wished I could have attended the Extreme Rituals fest just to have listened to Mike speak about "confrontation". Was wondering if anyone video taped the panel discussions?
Doesn't hurt to throw this one back out there, to get to listen to any of the panel discussions would be a real treat!
Quote from: Johann on September 08, 2016, 05:13:11 AM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 22, 2013, 09:53:50 PM
wished I could have attended the Extreme Rituals fest just to have listened to Mike speak about "confrontation". Was wondering if anyone video taped the panel discussions?
Doesn't hurt to throw this one back out there, to get to listen to any of the panel discussions would be a real treat!
I was there and have some recordings. It went like this.
1) A load of the individual presentations which, besides a great talk from Ron Athey, were quite dry and academic things delivered from university teachers. They lose a lot from simply being audio.
2) 'The Story of Schimpfluch Gruppe'. Disastrous Q&A with Eb.er and others which should have been interesting but was just a big dud in the end. Writer Chris Sienko had been flown in from the USA to direct this discussion and had put together some amazingly well researched and detailed questions about the history of the group which were all met with pissy, monosyllabic answers from Eb.er that just became very frustrating and annoying to watch, and not in any kind of 'this is challenging' way. Just like watching a sulking teenager being made to sit round the dinner table. I can vaguely sympathise with the idea that he isn't into interviews or panel discussions, but I'm sure he didn't have to agree to do it in the first place? The only people he was spurning were simply big fans of his music and nobody else. I lost a lot of respect for the person behind all that great work then. Anyway. You wont really be able to hear much of this as he was muttering so quietly.
3) The final recording is a panel about transgression in noise music which Dando features on. Pretty good as I remember though you may not hear any particularly new info. I know I asked a question at some point which I think he failed to answer but that could just as much been my phrasing. It may or may not be on the recording.
I don't mind sharing the recordings but beware: they are pretty bad quality and it can be hard to hear a lot of stuff. I'll try to clean up and enhance the sound a bit over the weekend. Anyone interested in them can PM me.
Quote from: Duncan on September 08, 2016, 10:22:20 AM
Disastrous Q&A with Eb.er and others
that was excruciating.
utimate respect to Sienko.
Just an update. I've slightly cleaned up and uploaded an mp3 of the panel featuring Dando etc. PM me if you want the link. It's wetransfer so will be gone after a while.
Cheers
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 03, 2016, 05:43:50 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 02, 2016, 10:07:53 PM
I have my own near-death relatives to look at, I don't need Mike's.
It's one of the hardest things anyone has to do.
Haven't heard the new album yet, but on the subject matter I'm going to run the risk of being a wanker and say for the most part, for me, it's just another day at the office. I can't remember the number of people I've seen die, let alone their names. We come, we go.
But for what it's worth, I applaud Mr Dando for approaching this subject, particularly from his perspective. For me, the greatest pain is not for those dying but those nearest and dearest. When residents die, I don't cry. But when I talk to relatives or spouses during or after palliation, that can put me over. The dead don't suffer, that's a privilege of the living.
not a wanker, but the professional's experience is far removed from the relative one, so markedly different response-the first time for relatives, another in a long line for professionals.as long as the gap is filled emphatically then no issues.
To add those, who have not seen this, it's not like "his perspective" would mean album would be some sort of emo-egotripping.
When Special Interests did Con-Dom interview, he mentioned that the days of writing about KKK or some distant things is gone. That he would be interested in doing something what is closer. Local importance, personal importance, something what has actual relevance to life. After few comments from yours truly being critical of contemporary self-sentered ego music, Dando concluded that of course he didn't mean he would be in intent to write music with intent of "look at me", "see how I feel" -type. Just to have subject matter what is truely meaningful personally, to take further.
At that time, I don't think there was idea that it would be this. But as result of various circumstances, we can see how "something of personal importance" did inspire this album. Subject matter just speaks for itself. I don't see that release is could be somehow filed to be his emotionsand his experience. Those things are on the back, but actual substance that is used, seems to be taken from variety of sources and talk about much more complex matters.
Still probably exactly what was talked in interview. To be substance of personal meaning, rather than just some interesting thing what happened somewhere. We've seen a lot of "death industrial", but I doubt we have seen this kind of death industrial yet. When there extremities of grotesque is removed, even the horrid "yelps" of dying, is rather disturbing compared to moviesamples of screaming chicks.
All this while still remaining quintessentially industrial. No latin beats, no emo melody, no denouncing of the genre, no three piece suits, no PC bullshit, no arty pretentiousness, no academic airs and graces, no fucking weakness. For as much as this album sets itself apart it's still industrial in the most traditional sense and that is also why it's head and shoulders above much else.
I bow in respect to CON-DOM for knowing how the fuck it's meant to be done.
Quote from: accidental on November 29, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
Is he still making copies of the 80's cassettes on CD? And where can i find contact info if he does?
Does anyone have any experience with the Zeal SS vs Control Dom issues? Differences in quality and such? Is it worth looking for older editions of CD tapes or is there little to no difference between newer and older editions of these old releases?
80's tapes available still as tapes.
many distros have them, so fooling will give info.
support your local/national distro
Quote from: Si Clark on November 29, 2016, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: accidental on November 29, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
Is he still making copies of the 80's cassettes on CD? And where can i find contact info if he does?
Does anyone have any experience with the Zeal SS vs Control Dom issues? Differences in quality and such? Is it worth looking for older editions of CD tapes or is there little to no difference between newer and older editions of these old releases?
I'm not aware of any difference. I have quite a lot of Con-Dom tapes in my distro. I really love the fact that he keeps these available. For example the Con-Dom / Nails Of Christ* With AMK – Have Faith tape is printed on the same blue coloured paper, can't imagine why it would sound different so the only difference between these later re-issues and the ones produced in the 80s would be the actual year they were made. No difference in visuals, no difference in sound.
accidental, assuming you are uk based, get in touch with black psychosis distro
That edit was made two months ago, so couldn't have been an April Fools prank. Either way, I am very curious.
Quote from: SILVUM on April 15, 2017, 09:15:24 PM
someone mentions he commited suicide last year.
WHAT???? Mikko?
Quote from: Dr Alex on April 16, 2017, 11:23:47 PM
Quote from: SILVUM on April 15, 2017, 09:15:24 PM
someone mentions he commited suicide last year.
WHAT???? Mikko?
Quote from: theotherjohn on April 15, 2017, 10:18:52 PM
Bit late for April Fools' now surely? Chatted with Mike last December at both MK9/Rusalka gigs in the UK and he was alive and well - it would have been officially announced by now by more official representatives if it was true in any way.
I noticed this edit too, but corresponded with Mike a couple of weeks ago, so was confused about what the editor meant. I contacted the user who made the edit , and he seemed to think that the lyrics on the latest record pertained to Mike himself!
He said :
"An honest to god oversight. I will correct that. I assumed a piece of writing from his last studio album was autobiographical. Said piece flatly states, among other things "I am going to kill myself. I hope to have spared you some of the protracted grief. "by the time this has reached you, I will be dead" and mentioned "a solution of barbiturates" as the intended manner of death. I couldn't find anything confirming or denying it, and couldn't find any signs of activity starting around the time the album came out. I am terribly, terribly sorry. This was my mistake."I thought it only right to tell this chap that he must be as dumb as a bag of hammers.
He seems to have since corrected the information.
Hope that bloke hasn't heard "Moors Rapist".
From Discogs: "According to personal correspondence, I was dead wrong."
No pun intende(a)d?
Best is when he announces suicide by barbiturates and he adds "I don't have an exact date" . Yes, you got it all right and you missed the day haha.
I just finally decided to pick up the War & Ordnance live album. Generally not really a live album listener, but after watching some CON-DOM live videos I might argue that he is at his apex live. Also, the ZSS "Live in Finland" tape with the Rome Song cover is AMAZING.
Quote from: BlackHole on April 18, 2017, 12:35:16 AM
I just finally decided to pick up the War & Ordnance live album. Generally not really a live album listener, but after watching some CON-DOM live videos I might argue that he is at his apex live. Also, the ZSS "Live in Finland" tape with the Rome Song cover is AMAZING.
Compared to many other Con-Dom live tapes, War & Ordnance has rather big difference than while "war against society" material is of course something many may know, Ordnance side is filled with songs that have NEVER played live before or since this event. While some classic con-dom tracks appear on his live recordings (especially older tapes) multiple times, this tape stands out being document of one and only gig of its kind.
If you didn't own any Con-Dom releases, what would be a good representation of his work in general, or at least a good introduction? Was considering either War & Ordinance, or the most recent Tesco album (definitely a rheme that hits home for me), but older releases have me pretty curious, too.
Quote from: BlackHole on April 18, 2017, 12:35:16 AM
I just finally decided to pick up the War & Ordnance live album. Generally not really a live album listener, but after watching some CON-DOM live videos I might argue that he is at his apex live. Also, the ZSS "Live in Finland" tape with the Rome Song cover is AMAZING.
whoa! i've been slacking on ZSS but this i need to hear!
Quote from: Peterson on April 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM
If you didn't own any Con-Dom releases, what would be a good representation of his work in general, or at least a good introduction? Was considering either War & Ordinance, or the most recent Tesco album (definitely a rheme that hits home for me), but older releases have me pretty curious, too.
I would recommend "Control Domination" (1999). For me this full-length stands out due to the diversity of the material - each composition has it's "face" & individual unique quality to offer, whether it is the sickening flanger overdose of the introductory "Faithless (Daybreak)", the insect-swarming misanthropic allegory of "Locust Day" (very hateful echo-heavy vocal performance here) or the anti-religious protest of "Faith Healer" (samples of thrilling strings (?) are awesome). Also would be a good idea to check out some of the "Sermons" - "Righteousness" and "Retribution" are some of the most powerful in the series, exactly what you need if you want something mechanical & industrial.
Quote from: Peterson on April 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM
If you didn't own any Con-Dom releases, what would be a good representation of his work in general, or at least a good introduction? Was considering either War & Ordinance, or the most recent Tesco album (definitely a rheme that hits home for me), but older releases have me pretty curious, too.
Honestly, the compilation of stray compilation tracks 'Shards Of Ordnance' is as good as anything else for an introduction - great packaging and information and texts too.
The best full-length works are The Eighth Pillar, the Sermons 7" series, Colour Of A Man's Skin and the recent How Welcome Is Death To I.
I think the "Rome Songs" 10", "Colour Of a Mans Skin", or any of the "Sermons" 7"s, especially "Go Violently" are a good place to start with Con-Dom.
The new album, "How Welcome Is Death To I...", while an incredible album, doesn't really exemplify Con-Dom very well, but I would still say it is absolutely mandatory listening.
Quote from: Peterson on April 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM
If you didn't own any Con-Dom releases, what would be a good representation of his work in general, or at least a good introduction? Was considering either War & Ordinance, or the most recent Tesco album (definitely a rheme that hits home for me), but older releases have me pretty curious, too.
Colour of Man's Skin (the classic)
All in Good Faith (in my opinion his best)
Even More Racial Hatred (good example of his early live tape days)
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on April 25, 2017, 03:02:06 AM
Quote from: Peterson on April 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM
If you didn't own any Con-Dom releases, what would be a good representation of his work in general, or at least a good introduction? Was considering either War & Ordinance, or the most recent Tesco album (definitely a rheme that hits home for me), but older releases have me pretty curious, too.
Honestly, the compilation of stray compilation tracks 'Shards Of Ordnance' is as good as anything else for an introduction - great packaging and information and texts too.
The best full-length works are The Eighth Pillar, the Sermons 7" series, Colour Of A Man's Skin and the recent How Welcome Is Death To I.
agree with this.shards is excellent comp and also intro. full lengths also, best complete works.
get as can.
Is the 2x cassette version of Shards still available anywhere?
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 03, 2016, 05:10:52 PM
Listened album today again and it is album that appears to grow more. With 3 LP's worth of Atrax Morgue before putting Con-Dom on turntable, one could really appreciate the depth of compositions and substance. Not that there was something wrong with A.M. either. Still, with few flaws I wrote about before, album is unique in the genre and superior in comparison to A LOT of groups. Like pointed by some, Con-Dom clearly presents the strongest new material out of anyone from old league of England. It also manages to take its substance to new direction without delivering just the expected.
I don't get those flaws you talk about. I know the cd had some flaws but at least from my perspective the lp sounds about flawless to me. In fact I'd go as far as saying that it actually had a more audiophile sound than most other p.e. lps I've heard. Maybe this is a thought that you've abandoned since idno, I know that this is an old comment.
Anyway about How welcome is death to I...., I think its the most honest p.e. album I've ever heard. It handles the topic very well, could have been easily made to sound cliché but he does it in bluntly and not too personal. This was a fresh blow to the scene.
I know this is likely a trite comment and hopefully my only but I love CON-DOM very much and this project was one of the very first that I was scared to listen to but kept going back. Of course there is nothing to be scared of but that epiphany came later as it likely should with any great artworks. Pure love by me anyways. Thank you kindly Mike. ♥☻♥
Quote from: terrorist on January 07, 2018, 04:36:36 AM
this project was one of the very first that I was scared to listen to but kept going back.
Interesting how that happens. I've been the same myself with one or two things. Certainly something that impresses itself on you, no matter how, is going to remain with you. I recall an old audio interview Dando had on his old website in which he said that a performance (or indeed recording) can make an impression on someone that they would not rationalise until some time afterwards. So it's something he's often deliberately going for.
Quote from: terrorist on January 07, 2018, 04:36:36 AM
I know this is likely a trite comment and hopefully my only but I love CON-DOM very much and this project was one of the very first that I was scared to listen to but kept going back. Of course there is nothing to be scared of but that epiphany came later as it likely should with any great artworks. Pure love by me anyways. Thank you kindly Mike. ♥☻♥
Certainly not trite. Dando treads the line with his subject matter in a way that genuinely provokes thought rather than invoking confirmation bias or being blindly contrarian, you end up spending as much time thinking about the work as enjoying it.
Quote from: musichater on May 18, 2018, 04:39:51 AM
thta said, does the LP version have the annoying gaps between tracks that the digital version has?
No, and also sound of LP is slightly more saturated in cut, what makes many tracks have the little more dirt what makes them better. 3-side vinyl version in box is of course way more expensive, but these two things make it better option to listen to! No gaps + little more dirt and punch!
Hours of crate digging paid off. Had the incredible luck to find a pristine copy of "Colour of a Man's Skin" with a 2nd copy of the picture 7" for $25 (!!!) at Amoeba in San Francisco. Cant wait to listen when I get back from my trip.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 15, 2018, 02:20:45 AM
Hours of crate digging paid off. Had the incredible luck to find a pristine copy of "Colour of a Man's Skin" with a 2nd copy of the picture 7" for $25 (!!!) at Amoeba in San Francisco. Cant wait to listen when I get back from my trip.
Great score, congrats!
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 15, 2018, 02:20:45 AM
Hours of crate digging paid off. Had the incredible luck to find a pristine copy of "Colour of a Man's Skin" with a 2nd copy of the picture 7" for $25 (!!!) at Amoeba in San Francisco. Cant wait to listen when I get back from my trip.
UNREAL
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on June 20, 2015, 10:39:09 PM
Complete content of classic eight 7" series Sermons remastered as 2xCD in nice packaging due for release on Tesco.
Is this still something to be released in the near or not so near future? Does anybody have more infos on that?
Cheers!
I believe the project is retired now and no further reissues are planned/allowed.
I believe track on Sounds of Sadism 2xLP is the last fully artists approved reissue. Unless he changes his mind, no new reissues are sactioned anymore.
Freak Animal has basically the remaining stocks of more recent releases. Artist is no longer selling anything.
Ok, thanks for the information! That's too bad, it would have been one of the best compilations ever. So I will try to get the missing parts of the 7"es somehow...
At least we have this one. Thanks for uploading!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaXBBqiuX0A&t=2715s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaXBBqiuX0A&t=2715s)
I was on a mission to complete my set but gave up because Hatred is so hard to find. A repress of that limited 7" boxset would've been nice.
'CON-DOM 1983-1993 THE FIRST 10 YEARS'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TweTIsUkax0&t=293s
https://www.discogs.com/de/release/770016-Origami-3-and-Con-Dom-Im-Media-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwnOVYFN20
This interview is also found on Hospital Productions' CON-DOM "Dragged Into the gutter" pic LP. Discogs says that it is pic LP +cdr, but actually as soon as label noticed this production mistake, real glass master pressed 3"cd was done. At least copies available from Freak Animal have the real pressed 3"CD interview disc in them.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 15, 2018, 02:20:45 AM
Hours of crate digging paid off. Had the incredible luck to find a pristine copy of "Colour of a Man's Skin" with a 2nd copy of the picture 7" for $25 (!!!) at Amoeba in San Francisco. Cant wait to listen when I get back from my trip.
Got this off Hagshadow in the UK, was pleased to find a good copy.
Hopefully someday the Vict/or-im track "Boer Sa" from the Con-Dom split tape 'Dominance' (1986) will appear online somewhere. From what data can be pulled from the tape-mag.com listing, this tape seems to have an intriguing atmosphere. Is this track a gesture of obeisance to our southern brethren?