Listening new AHLZDEVELOPER CD (phage tapes) and it sparked to think about successful collaboration.
There are many occasions, when collaboration appears in my ears much more of social interaction, than fruitful creative process.
I mean the releases, where you can simply sum the collaboration 1+1=2. When listening new SICKNESS / BASTARD NOISE collaboration LP, this was my first impression. Not that it would be bad at all. It was just that it seemed as is BN would throw in the tricks they are known of, and Sickness would do his more recent things. Meaning longer brooding dark droning material and few moments of fast cut up harshness erupting. But it doesn't seem as if they would *really* affect eachother. Each artist does what they are known of doing and elements combined into one piece. Of course this may be simply my impression, not reality. My gut feeling still thinks that Sickness does the "sickness elements" and BN does the "BN elements". My assumption would have been that Sickness could have gone further by dissecting BN material or processing vocal performance or BN gone further by fully immersing into source sounds from Sickness? This was good album. Not a disappointment, but just something what felt like almost exactly what could be expected. Even if it is well put together and indeed stands out in comparision to "usual albums".
What else could be expected from AHLZDEVELOPER than harsh noise cut up? Isn't this just the same 1+1=2? Well, it seems entirely different scenario, since starting point is very different from bands above. First of all, CD is not really album per se, but reissue of two tapes and couple compilation tracks. Each track being one making material based on other guys source sounds. Restless cut up harsh noise may be what one expects - and gets. But it seems that method of processing each others sounds in this case is exactly the key to success. Perhaps also that originally these were short tapes and tracks. One would use editing skills and compress the vast (?) sources into energetic blast of noise, which may represent artists own style quite a lot, but offer alternative harsh-noise-sound-spectrum compared to their solo works.
So it works. Works very well. Even if you'd have bunch of material from both guys, it adds another dimension to their work and makes CD well worth having.
Favorite collaborations, where collaboration enhances material greatly?
I think Edwige - especially the early stuff that still featured Mania - is a great example of how a collaboration can create something new through combining the strengths of the artists. The EP is pretty flawless, especially when the Sewer Election - ish parts shine through and mix up with the sounds I would trace back to Mania.
This may only work as an "anecdote" at the moment, as the actual album has not been released (yet?), but Prurient teaming up live with GO was massive, although short. Another winner live collaboration (this time one that has actually been documented) is Sektion B / Control "Hate America".
I think a good example of a collaboration where 1+1 = something of its own is the MSBR & Speculum Fight collab LP on P-Tapes from 1994. Raw material from Koji Tano treated and processed by Damion Romero, with some bits from Tom Grimley as well. Side A is pretty straight up not-so-harsh harsh noise with a weird air to it, but the winner is the b-side where the guys have really taken use of the stereo mix. With clattering acoustic sounds flying all around and through your head, this deserves speakers and some proper volume, and it doesn't sound typical of either MSBR or Speculum Fight. A truly overlooked gem that I keep coming back to over and over.
A great example of two skilled artists teaming up and making a very complete record:
http://www.discogs.com/Giuseppe-Ielasi-Kassel-Jaeger-Parallel-Grayscale/release/4342394
BizarreϟϟMania! Why? Because: Bizarre, SS and Mania!
Charnel Heap collab is great as well but not as crushing as BϟϟM.
KK Null/James Plotkin - Aurora
Good call for MSBR & Speculum Fight LP! Need to listen to it right away.
The first noise collaboration that comes to my mind is Organum & The New Blockaders "Wrack". My brain distils the different components quite easily but they complement each other so damn beautifully and makes it one of the greatest release in the both discographies (which should say something). Also one of those records that work perfectly at any RPM.
Another big-name collaboration favourite is Merzbow & Christoph Heemann "Sleeper Awakes On The Edge Of The Abyss", also a long time late night and hangover favourite. Definitely not a linear combination of the two, it has more of the Heemann edge and pretty far from what would expect from Masami.
There's certainly tons more...
M.S.B.R. and Kengo Iuchi
Quote from: Henrik III on April 28, 2017, 12:22:09 AM
Another big-name collaboration favourite is Merzbow & Christoph Heemann "Sleeper Awakes On The Edge Of The Abyss", also a long time late night and hangover favourite. Definitely not a linear combination of the two, it has more of the Heemann edge and pretty far from what would expect from Masami.
indeed. Heemann having the final say.
Quote from: Henrik III on April 28, 2017, 12:22:09 AM
Organum & The New Blockaders
Pulp is one of my favorite collaborations..
Macronympha's collaborations with Evil Moisture ("The Tentacles of the Octopus Sometimes Compete With Each Other") and Mlehst ("Macrosonic") are surprisingly good and finding a third style that doesn't resemble either source group.
These are all extremely well done collaborations, in my opinion. Not so much in a 'who did this or that' sense, but strictly in regard to the material itself.
PGR / Asmus Tietchens / Merzbow
Nurse With Wound / Stereolab
TMLHBAC / Deutsch Nepal
Zbigniew Karkowski / Daniel Menche
Pan Sonic / Haino Keiji
Con-Dom / The Grey Wolves (live)
PBK / Vidna Obmana
Grunt / Taint
Telepherique / De Fabriek (as PWZ; though some assume this is a split)
Robert Rich / Lustmord
Test Dept. / Brith Gof
Lustmord / Lagowski (as Isolrubin BK)
C.C.C.C. / Nocturnal Emissions
As already mentioned, Merzbow / Christoph Heemann
One I had high hopes for that panned out to be less than expected, Esplendor Geométrico / Hijokaidan
One I have had on the back-burner forever, Contrastate / The Tiger Lillies
GOLDENROD (STREICHER + MACRONYMPHA)
QuoteMlehst ("Macrosonic")
plus
OVMN
Quote from: chewslife on April 28, 2017, 09:29:08 PMContrastate / The Tiger Lillies
Wow! Didn't realise that existed.
Merzbow + John Wiese: Multiplication
K2 + The New Blockaders: Oozing Ruin
Zbigniew Karkowski + Damion Romero: 9 Before 9
Dead Body Collection + Government Alpha: Fragments Of Memory
Favorites: Gomikawa Fumio, Human Skin Lanterns, Testicle Hazard, Flying Testicle, Masonna/Runzelstirn & Gurgelstøck, Strict/Pain Jerk, Randy Yau/David Phillips (also Randy Yau + Kazumoto Endo).
Lots of testicles.
Maybe time to resurrect this topic!
From the recent things, I think Wiese + Haters might be better than any new'ish Haters I have recently heard? Success in that way.
Skin Graft / Wiese also one of the best harsh noise discs of 2020?!
Quote from: Baglady on April 27, 2017, 02:49:58 PM
I think a good example of a collaboration where 1+1 = something of its own is the MSBR & Speculum Fight collab LP on P-Tapes from 1994. Raw material from Koji Tano treated and processed by Damion Romero, with some bits from Tom Grimley as well. Side A is pretty straight up not-so-harsh harsh noise with a weird air to it, but the winner is the b-side where the guys have really taken use of the stereo mix. With clattering acoustic sounds flying all around and through your head, this deserves speakers and some proper volume, and it doesn't sound typical of either MSBR or Speculum Fight. A truly overlooked gem that I keep coming back to over and over.
Also this I listened this year again, and have to appreciate the comment! Certainly collaboration to remember!
It does not exclusively involve noise projects, but the Reek of the Unzen Gas Fumes (black metal/grindcore) collaboration with Nigamushi (dark ambient) on the B-side of Detritivorous Kamigami demo reissue is amazing. Dark and atmospheric, and great use of various samples and sound effects (from the sound of a gate closing, to lighting-like whip cracks). If anyone has any information about Nigamusi, I would love to hear it, as I have not been able to find anything out about them apart from their upcoming appearance on a new split album.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 11, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
Maybe time to resurrect this topic!
From the recent things, I think Wiese + Haters might be better than any new'ish Haters I have recently heard? Success in that way.
Skin Graft / Wiese also one of the best harsh noise discs of 2020?!
Agreed. Also Wiese / Dilloway last year was very solid.
Wolf Eyes & Anthony Braxton live collab is one of my favourite discs out there of any genre. A great match.
Wolf Eyes & Sickness "There is a Part of Me You Will Never Know" LP. Great stuff from both from what I remember, been a billion years since I dug it out.
The Rita / Vomir / Werewolf Jerusalem "Threesome Slitting" one sided LP. I haven't had a chance to hear the new 7" but I have it in my pile.
A whole batch of Wiese ones spring to mind:
Wiese / T. Mikawa CD (2016)
Wiese / Dilloway - Sniper Counter Sniper CD (2019)
Wiese / Skin Graft - Accessible World (2020)
White Gold 1 & 2 (Wiese & Blankenship)
Plus a bunch more of the Sissy Spacek collabs.... K2, Smegma, Haters, Hijokaidan.....
Full of Hell & Merzbow - both discs great. Better than your typical fusion of "grindcore & noise". Listened to both discs recently and they both really hold up!
Merzbow & Gore Beyond Necropsy "Rectal Anarchy" - a stone cold classic! I thought I had the CD, I don't and but I have the LP?
Sedem Minut Strachu & Massola
Sedem Minut Strachu & Supraphon Family "Hluk Off!!" 10" - mixing noisecore with some wild out there woodwinds/free jazz/noise is my idea jam any day of the week. All these records fuckin' SLAP.
Sewer Election & Puce Mary - I have two LPs and a tape? All are pretty great.
K2 / Constrain / Fenian CD on Oxen. Solo track from each and a 3 way scorcher at the end. Great disc!
Some of my personal favorites:
Richard Ramirez/MSBR - Sonic Aggression: Absolutely crushing collaboration and should be in everyone's collection, a classic that Richard recently re-issued.
OVMN - Optimum Volume Maximum Noise: The self-titled and maybe best tape by OVMN which was a Macro remixing Thirdorgan material.
MXM - Flesh-Biting Paedophile: Another Macro collab, this time with Monde Bruits material. Macro were so good at shaping collab material.
Hijokaidan Featuring Akira Sakata - I love both the studio and live albums and subsequently became a fan of Akira Sakata's work after these releases.
Ryke - Resuscitation: Endo and Yau were already two of my favorite artists and this project contains exceptional cut-up.
Francisco Meirino & Dave Phillips - We Are None Of Us: I've loved Meirino's work since he was going by Phroq. However, this work with Dave is a high point.
Not exactly noise per say, but in a similar enough realm of experimental music:
Howard Stelzer / Brendan Murray – Commuter: Two stand out artists who push each other above and beyond on this one.
Jason Lescalleet / Greg Kelley - Conversations: Lescalleet has MANY successful collaborations but this is one of my favorites. I could have also easily picked Lescalleet's collab with Dilloway, Grapes & Snakes or his work with Lambkin, like The Breadwinner.
A lot of my favorites have been named already, especially John Wiese who's done great things in many contexts, under his own name or with Sissy Spacek. I also enjoyed his tenure with Bastard Noise, for example Descent to Mimas on Groundfault still sounds great to me. It tells a story without being cheesy.
I have to mention Tom Smith of TLASILA, who's had some interesting side projects over the years. His initial collaboration with Kevin Drumm, Reconquer Sleep or Disappear, is a highlight. From my understanding, speaking to Drumm, it's principally Tom re-working material the former provided, and adding a lot of his own special sauce.
I'm not sure if you'd call Miss High Heel a collaboration or more some kind of noise rock supergroup (Tom, Weasel Walter, Azita Youseffi, Jim O'Rourke, Marlon Magas, etc.) but The Family's Hot Daughter is one hell of a journey, not quite on the level of the Shave's Wigmaker, but really out there.
Not nearly as noisy, but really good for the Schimpfluch-inclined, is the Ohne record on Mego: another case where it's more a new group than a specific collaboration, but assembling Tom with Dave Phillips, Reto Mader, and Daniel Lowenbruck was pretty genius. Wish they'd done more.
Back to noise: the Evil Moisture/Macronympha collaboration on RRR, The Tentacles of the Octopus sometimes compete against each other, is some of my favorite ever noise. From my understanding, according to what Andy said on an episode of Noisextra, it's him re-working source material from Macro's Super Oxide tape. With all the killer Macro examples in this thread, a rare case of Joe giving up the reins?
Lastly, more on the experimental side, not harsh at all, are the Nurse With Wound collaborations with Graham Bowers. Probably my preferred later NWW material, because it's really dense and layered, lots of sounds stacked and folded on top of each other. That's generally how I like my noise also. Parade, Rupture, and Excitotoxicity are real winners.
Another collaboration that I really enjoy is the AMK track "il dome for the birds" on Super Panoramic Stereo Sound 5000. According to the notes on the back, it contains "live performances played and recorded by AMK, Damion Romero, Geoff Brandin, Erik Hoffman, Jorge Martin, and Bob Bellerue." It is an astounding sound collage made out of samples of bird recordings and bits of a rock song.
Forgot to mention another couple of enjoyable Evil Moisture collaborations above:
The infamous Fatanarchy On Airtube with Hanatarash, and the one with Panicsville on Nihilist Records.
The Rita + Wilt is fantastic.
John Canady and Scott Candey teaming up for Blunt Force Trauma was a favourite when I first started listening to PE/Noise
Entartun is a note worthy recent one.
Ah fuck, Keith Brewer and Macro on the Human Skin Lanterns release/s too. Can't forget that.
Quote from: FallOfNature on November 13, 2020, 07:06:57 AM
The Rita + Wilt is fantastic.
Agree. Devastating noise flows on that album. Mania / Coma Detox is the first collaboration which comes to my mind now, for which I really jumped out the chair recently, together with the one with The Rita on the "Escorting" box . Other very good ones: Grunt / Gelsomina, Genocide Organ / Grey Wolves, Linekraft / Alberich, and plenty of other ones. Regarding most recent outputs, I really enjoyed the God is war / Crawl of time tape as well. Didn´t listen to the Sektor 304 / Täter CD so far, but I liked both the original stand alone releases so I´m pretty sure this "remaking" will be above average as well.
Some ones that immediately spring to mind:
Joseph Hammer / Jason Crumer
Rock n Roll Jackie / Pain Jerk
Schimpfluch / Masonna
Pretty much all of Graham Lambkin's collaborations - the recent Bill Nace collab is a definite 2020 highlight here. The Jason Lescalleet collabs are among my favourites from either artist (no mean feat given the strength of both discographies). The Joe McPhee collabs (the Chance Meeting CDr deserves a far wider hearing), Elklink, Tart, etc, etc.
Some favourite Erstwhiles (whose modus operandi is pretty much the topic of this thread):
Ami Yoshida / Toshimaru Nakamura - Soba to Bara
Annette Krebs / Taku Unami - Motubachii
Toshiya Tsunoda / Manfred Werder - Detour
Jeph Jerman / Tim Barnes - Matterings
Lucio Capece / Marc Baron - My Trust in You
I don't think it got much circulation outside of Japan but Tori Kudo and Rick Potts - Ka-Bella-Binsky-Bungo! is a firm favourite round these parts. A high point in two discographies jammed full of gems ... deserves a wider audience.
Fully agreed on everything said about John Wiese. I'd also add the Kevin Drumm collab LP on Nihilist. I wouldn't say it's better than the sum of its parts, or sounds different to what you'd imagine this collab would sound like, but 1 + 1 = 2 is sometimes perfectly satisfying. I'd also put the Borbetomagus / Hijokaidan collaboration in this boat.
Some ones already mentioned:
New Blockaders & Organum
Gomikawa Fumio
Evil Moisture & Hanatarash
Francisco Meirino & Dave Phillips
Wolf Eyes & Anthony Braxton
Honourable mentions:
Mark Durgan / John Wall
Junko & Mattin
P16.D4 & SBOTHI
Richard Ramirez & Skin Crime
Bill Orcutt & Jacob Felix Heule (probably my favourite Bill Orcutt release from the last number of years, all of which I loved)
Oh, and I don't know if it counts since it was a regular collaboration but I'd definitely add Richard Youngs & Simon Wickham-Smith. Lake is as close to perfection as I can imagine - gorgeous, baffling, alien, all rolled into one perfect package.
Edit: haven't heard it yet, it's on its way, but I'm almost certain the "new" Duncan Harrison & Ian Murphy LP (http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=11090.0) will be on this list.
Double Edit: I've just realised this might be a split rather than a collab. I'm leaving it here anyway as I'm sure there's more than a pinch of psychic bleed through between the sides.
I finally got the COIL book that Timeless put out.
https://www.timeless-shop.com/product/the-universe-is-a-haunted-house-coil-through-their-art-archives/
Was talking with friend, who can't stand the electro/dance things, that very very early days, especially the collaboration works of Coil are good. The most notable being COIL / The New Blockaders / Vortex Campaign.
Then latest episode of Noisextra ( https://www.noisextra.com/2021/03/10/noisextra-discuss-the-new-blockaders/ ) was about TNB and having had discussions of Coil and TNB with friends over the week, just had to put Coil / The New Blockaders / Vortex Campaign – The Melancholy Mad Tenant CD (2005 edition) on player. What a great album it is. More accurately re-issue of 1984 tape, with 3 bonus songs of Vortex Campaign.
Collaboration stands for me as prime example how it can be somehow more than anyone of the acts alone. Not sounding like just throwing all in one mess (what probably pretty much describes what this is!), but as if work that emerges, blends perfectly together the ritualistic percussive elements of Coil, rusty and dusty racket of TNB and loops and oddities of Vortex Campaign, and as result, it may not be as noisy and abstract as TNB, not as musically elegant and technologically advances as you may expect from Coil, etc, but it is like album of its own.
Absolutely brilliant collaboration.
If one wants more rugged, more noisy, then The New Blockaders & Vortex Campaign – The New Vortex Blockaders Campaign was reissued on CD bu Menstrual in 2019. It is fierce as hell. Again, collaboration where both somehow compliment eachother.
In no order since I can't really rank a lot of it and enjoy much equally just some more then others at different times.
1. Ahlzagailzehguh & Impregnable - Sole Possession - CG035 - 2006; A shorter no BS shorter assault on my senses. Probably a perfect example of what harsh noise should be to me. No goals, no emotions, no ego, and beautifully dissociating.
2. Andy Bolus - Joseph Hammer - John Wiese - Prelude To Hawaiian Radio - HEL 99077 - 2020: This one I can only describe as divine. Not your typical abstract, noisy sound collage work and a 3 way project at that. There's a lot of headspace in it and it completely takes me somewhere else unfamiliar to me. If I hadto describe it as anything more I would call it a auditory manifestation of a space out of time.
3. Airway - Hijokaidan - The Lowest Form Of Music - HEL 99074 - 2020 (technically 2010 but I have the reissue): This is one feels like I'm actually at a live show and the mastering was amazing on it to give a brutal low end depth to it that really brings out the feeling of it being massive. If a rock band just decided to do nothing but improvise and follow no formula anymore mid show and make a mess the rest of the time I imagine it would sound like this.
4. John Wiese - Skin Graft - Accessible World - TRO-302 - 2020: Seen this one here up above but I'll put it down anyways. Really thick and heavy the whole the way though. IT doesn't deviate much from the sound it starts with but there's a lot of nice textures and frequencies to get lost in, in there. John Wiese I always associate with more abstract stuff and Skin Graft is the total opposite, sometimes that sort of union does work.
5. Lasse Marhaug & Dan Johansson - Distort Orgasm - LBP008 - 2012: One of my favorites that doesn't seem to get much attention. Extremely loud and a blend high and low pitched static noise with a lot of variation in it. Each track is different then the other but each one is consistent with keeping it brutal and overwhelming. The last track on it really is like a finale though with those longer higher pitched followed by a crash into complete chaos that goes on for much longer.
6. Mania & Bizarre Uproar - Charnel Heap - antpk.09 - 2019: This one I just discovered. It's a quieter one mastering wise with a lot of space and industrial chaos and highs that sometimes pierce though the lower sound fields. Has a much darker feel to it that's not anything ambient either.
7. Sewer Election & Altar Of Flies - Split - 2008: One of my all time 2 track favorites. The Altar Of Flies said is very dark and spacey with a lot that pops out at you. The Sewer Election side makes it though. Just a longer high pitched guitar feedback current under a layer of rocky field of static and another long tone layered that sounds almost like a sitting truck but a lot more interesting.
8. Sewer Election & Treriksröset - Rågsved - THC18 - 2010: Recently got the reissue of this one on CD with Killing For Germany which I'm very VERY happy happened. A typical sewer Election and Treriksröset long 2 pieces of extremely varied but straightforward noise that is another constant assault that doesn't give in. Them together or just Serwer Election when they do things like this are good at above most artists at creating what I imagine a representation of war though it is like.
9. Sickness - Slogun - The Scars Of Happiness - Always Numb - TRO-154 - 2005: Sickness here does a really job as usual making something that is just maximum brutality ending with a single power electronics track from Slogun that the vocals on just make the track relentlessly cutting through everything else going on. A good representation of the power human voice has.
10. Werewolf Jerusalem, Vomir, Dead Body Collection - Slashers Are Lurking From Behind The Corner - UMA 043 - 2012: This is one of my all time favorites because it's both relaxing and extremely chaotic at the same time. There a lot going on and you can hear many screams and monster noises sometimes peaking out of the wall like your in hell but besides the constant noise of it all overwhelming your senses there's a sense of release through it. A constant sense of danger that doesn't seem to amount to anything but could come at any time, they definitely got the correct vibe for the title. You want out and feel something else but you're used to this and it's going to keep going regardless.
Quote from: skyloop on March 15, 2021, 02:25:38 PM
8. Sewer Election & Treriksröset - Rågsved - THC18 - 2010: Recently got the reissue of this one on CD with Killing For Germany which I'm very VERY happy happened. A typical sewer Election and Treriksröset long 2 pieces of extremely varied but straightforward noise that is another constant assault that doesn't give in. Them together or just Serwer Election when they do things like this are good at above most artists at creating what I imagine a representation of war though it is like.
Just picked this up as well. Not only great sounds, but packaging is great too. Spot gloss photos on the front and back covers were a nice touch. I normally don't care too much for fancy stuff like that, but it was done very well.
Sewer Election and
Treriksröset are a perfect example of amazing collaborations. I would agree that this release and the other collaborations between these two that I have heard have been straight forward, bludgeoning, and wall-ish noise (although I hesitate to use that exact term) which is interesting because much of these projects other material separately is a lot more varied. In a way it is nice to listen to something that simply blasts and leaves no room for trying to pick out which collaborator is responsible for which sounds. Just a cohesive work.
Aything done by CON-DOM/GREY WOLVES together, especially live.
AMB -> Hyware -> Kapotte Muziek LP
Praxis Dr Bearmann
I have feeling as if I was listening this quite recently? If I was, no problem! When someone lists his favorite noise LP's, I am sure that this one would ne NEVER mentioned. Why exactly? Who knows, but I don't think I ever heard anyone talk about it. Good experiment would be to listen your favorite noise album and then throw something such as this on turntable and... possible be surpriced? It is really good. It has all the neat source sounds, and it has good somehow unsual processing of sounds. Not just distortion, not just loudness, but nevertheless all-out noise blasting.
I was thinking when in the podcast, people have talked about their favorite top-5 items (which seems surprisingly hard for each one? I feel that if it would take more than 60 seconds for me to say top 5 noise or top 5 pe/industrial, I would be surprised), often you hear names you can fully agree. Every release is great, but even when taking something as essential, as MSBR debut LP, if someone would say this above mentioned LP instead, I would not be surprised. There is something quite "old MSBR'ish" on this album when I think about it. Having specific set of sounds, using electronic efx - not just the distortion, never really "cutting" things. Just playing with the specific sound elements without need of being absolutely harshest, but always being noise.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 19, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
AMB -> Hyware -> Kapotte Muziek LP
Praxis Dr Bearmann
I have actually written about this record on numerous occations, both here and on other forums, most likely repeating myself. It's a great record! I can see why it would remain unnoticed though, especially on a label like Praxis Dr Bearmann with its roster of more wellknown/notorious artists than these three. It doesn't
look like much either, compared to many other records on PDrB. I think it must have been Dan Johansson who pointed me to it, and as it didn't cost me more than a new cassette (still doesn't), it was a risk I was happy to take. Sound wise I've always thought it to be more in the realm of, say, C.C.C.C. rather than any of the three collaborators. The pressing isn't the best I guess, and it needs some cranking of both volume and bass, but a great and quite overlooked nugget nonetheless.
yep! Seems like 12 years ago or so, haha..
I have feeling as if I wrote about this LP not so long ago? Don't remember now. S.Isabella + Stabat Mors collaboration LP. Recordings 1997, released in early years of 00's as edition of mere 100 copies LP. I am big fan of Stabat Mors, and this collaboration is so great. One side S.Isabella (read Government Alpha) using Stabat Mors source and other side the other way round. It has experimental, almost "cinematic" feel, but at the same time totally hand made, raw and broken - with bunch of female voices and other things.
Mania / Bloomer LP. A-side is live collaboration of the two. Sound very much like zoom digital small recorders doing room recording. I am sure this thing gets old at some point. I am as guilty as anyone, recording sets with H2n or something, but I am quite sure that after few years there will be a bit of caution to do recordings with them. Anyways, despite this small detail, brilliant A-side. would be nice to hear Bloomer talk how it was to record with Keith. I did play one show in Taint line-up in early 00's, in his only european show. It was not planned, but the day when show happened, Keith said that he came over to France with like 3 pedals and no way he can do full set with that, so I got to join. I did. I recall there was some footage of it?
B-side has solo tracks. Mania is great, heavy slab, like it always is. Bloomer close to a-side. Good. I got the art edition of this LP. Supposedly 13 exists. I have one, 12 other owners have listed themselves at discogs, haha...
The collaboration between Keiji Haino and Pan Sonic is really amazing.
The way it opens up with Pan Sonic's synth noise and some feedback then Keiji starts moaning and screaming, so heavenly.
(https://i.imgur.com/yOV0Krq.jpg)
https://www.discogs.com/release/2364028-Pan-Sonic-Haino-Keiji-In-The-Studio
I'm gonna throw in Incapacitants & Richard Ramirez - A Purpose not Necessary, because Yellow Silk Buddha is one of my all-time favourite noise tracks
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 21, 2021, 06:58:20 PM
Mania / Bloomer LP. A-side is live collaboration of the two. Sound very much like zoom digital small recorders doing room recording. I am sure this thing gets old at some point. I am as guilty as anyone, recording sets with H2n or something, but I am quite sure that after few years there will be a bit of caution to do recordings with them. Anyways, despite this small detail, brilliant A-side. would be nice to hear Bloomer talk how it was to record with Keith. I did play one show in Taint line-up in early 00's, in his only european show. It was not planned, but the day when show happened, Keith said that he came over to France with like 3 pedals and no way he can do full set with that, so I got to join. I did. I recall there was some footage of it?
B-side has solo tracks. Mania is great, heavy slab, like it always is. Bloomer close to a-side. Good. I got the art edition of this LP. Supposedly 13 exists. I have one, 12 other owners have listed themselves at discogs, haha...
Great collab indeed. Live track is punishing, as expected. I just recently got mine from Pat Yankee / Paranoid Time. He still has some copies if anyone is interested. Cheap too.
https://www.discogs.com/release/1674395-Mania-4-Bloomer-Ready-To-Do-Damage
Pain jerk + john wiese albums are brilliant.
VOMIR / SCRUBBER split lathe cut 10" collab out soon on INNERCITY UPRISING
Not willing to put in the work to explain why (spent enough time composing this list), but these are generally what I think of as the best..
Some were already mentioned, and it's nice to see others also holding them in high regard..(sorry for all the Merzbow drops but hey..what can I say)
In no kind of order:
Voice Crack & Borbetomagus - the Concerto & Sparkling Bubble albums
Merzbow & Null - Produktion, Merzbow & Smegma, w. John Watermann, The Haters, & w. Xerosx - Aerovivanda #1 (haven't heard #2)
Merzbow & Achim Wollscheid (Eleven Live Collaborations, KIR Transformation, & Coruscanto, & w/S.B.O.T.H.I.)(and also all in a somewhat similar sound vein, the collabs with Kapotte Muziek, THU20, and Runzelstirn / Due Process)
The New Blockaders & Ferial Confine - TNB Est Mort! and the TNB/Putrefier thing
factor X / Runzelstirn / AMK – Helicopter (The Blades Of Mystery)
Smell & Quim /Merzbow - Seven Inches Inside Vagina, w/ Onomatopoeia - Fanny Batter, + Cock ESP - Super Noise Penis 7", & w. Expose Your Eyes - Quasi-Modo Cacandi (best title(s) ever?)
Humectant Interruption & Mo・Te – Rest Stop Entrapment
Prick Decay & Glands Of External Secretion – Who's Who.., PD with Witcyst - Custic Witch.., & Hawaiian Eye Melt Down 7" with K2
Die Lebensmittelvergiftung & S.Isabella – Harmonize
Masonna/Runzelstirn – Clitoris Projectile Pump and Arschloch-onna (w.Dave Philips)
Hands To / Kapotte Muziek / Merzbow / PBK / S.B.O.T.H.I. / Das Synthetische Mischgewebe – Rework / Odiom
Contagious Orgasm & Zyrtax - DNA Loops
Arturo Lanz (of Esplendor Geometrico) & Francisco Lopez (as BioMechanica)
Evil Moisture & Hanatarash - Fatanarchy on Airtube, + Panicsville, + Macronympha - Tentacles, + Melt-Banana, & 5" w/ Cock ESP "Monsters Of Cock"
MSBR / Daniel Menche / Crawl Unit / Basic Noise – Collabodestructivists
Aube & Cock E.S.P. - Maschinenwerk
on G.R.O.S.S. = The Three Temples & Four Shrines projects, Club Skull, Loop Circuit
All the Goldenrod stuff
Agog & De Fabriek - Factories Astir + Factories In Flux
K2 - Noise Tournament 7"s are all great & w/TNB – Oozing Ruin
Mlehst & The Rita - Fabric And Paint (Not a fan of HNW but this one works for me)
Speculum Fight & MSBR lp, w/Hijokaidan "Speculum Kaidan", & the w/Rubber-O-Cement 3inchers
OVMN - Optimum Volume & Visions of Autoerotic Excess
Quote from: chewslife on April 28, 2017, 09:29:08 PM
PGR / Asmus Tietchens / Merzbow
C.C.C.C. / Nocturnal Emissions
Contrastate / The Tiger Lillies
Good calls..
Quote from: chewslife on April 28, 2017, 09:29:08 PM
One I had high hopes for that panned out to be less than expected, Esplendor Geométrico / Hijokaidan
Same, this one's a stinker that could've been a real ripper
Quote from: Fistfuck Masonanie on November 12, 2020, 05:22:10 AM
Richard Ramirez/MSBR - Sonic Aggression: Absolutely crushing collaboration and should be in everyone's collection, a classic that Richard recently re-issued.
I recently discovered this..then forgot about it, but it is a cool one!
Quote from: Deadpriest on April 30, 2017, 03:20:28 PM
Merzbow + John Wiese: Multiplication
Quote from: holy ghost on November 12, 2020, 12:18:42 AM
Wiese / T. Mikawa CD (2016)
Quote from: skyloop on March 15, 2021, 02:25:38 PM
Andy Bolus - Joseph Hammer - John Wiese - Prelude To Hawaiian Radio
Gave these 3 another shot(thanks to this thread) after dismissing them before..all quite good..historically have not liked Wiese's work but been warming up to him lately due to a good friend of mine pushing it
This got me to thinking about collaboration themed compilations...these are the only ones I can think of...mostly good stuff, probably assisted by the short track lengths. Even when the tracks are not so great, it works within the variety of sounds.
WNF: Tag Team Noise Rumble Spectacular on Stinky Horse Fuck
Bilateral Separation on Clotted Meat Portioning
The Swingers Club on Self Abuse
Interesting that there are 3 different approaches here. WNF is each act paired up twice, with a different partner each time and each appear once on each side of the tape. Bilateral Separation is split-channel paired acts. The Swingers Club is each act remixing one of the others, but none are reciprocated.
anyone care to recommend more of these? I tried searching for a collaboration themed compilation thread but didn't find one.
Also of note is the Steep Gloss label, which is collaborations only. https://steepgloss.bandcamp.com/music ..I'm not aware of another label like this.
I discovered it via the Evil Moisture & Expose Your Eyes - AVANT STUPID release which, come to think of it, belongs in this thread... haven't listened to anything else on the label yet but some of it does look promising..
Quote from: Jangchub Jr. on January 23, 2022, 06:32:35 AM
I discovered it via the Evil Moisture & Expose Your Eyes - AVANT STUPID release which, come to think of it, belongs in this thread... haven't listened to anything else on the label yet but some of it does look promising..
This is indeed very good. For me it is the best thing the label has put out by some way but yeah, plenty to dig into from them. Definitely appreciate the concept.
Some excellent stuff in your other lists. Can only agree with a full throat about that Prick Decay + Witcyst disc that came out a couple of years ago. For some unreleased thing that had just been lying around I thought it was really brilliant.
TNB/Putrefier is another noteworthy pick. Despite how involved Durgan is/was in TNB - to the point where he is clearly responsible for the better aspects of some later releases - that one definitely does sound a meeting of two distinct projects. I also really enjoy the K2/TNB collab on Banned for similar reasons. K2 processing raw TNB sources as far as I'm aware.
Quote from: Duncan on January 23, 2022, 07:36:11 AM
Can only agree with a full throat about that Prick Decay + Witcyst disc that came out a couple of years ago. For some unreleased thing that had just been lying around I thought it was really brilliant.
I discovered it a couple days ago actually..nice surprise!
Just remembered another couple great ones--
MSBR & RoboChanMan - Final Electro Acoustic Work 1
MSBR / Blazen Y Sharp - Mass For Dead Insects
Rasthof Dachau & Stahlwerk 9 - The Final Resistance LP AgitProp 2005
absolutely a fucking slammer, ridiculously good grey droning german power electronics. for some reason this LP is still readily available on second hand market. world war 2 references on the surface might make you think this is standard fare, and in a sense it is, but the execution is just perfect. there's more going on here that I haven't totally sussed out, the track 'vater ich rufe dich,' is a reference to theodor korner. "siloah's brook" is a reference to milton's paradise lost. rasthof dachau has always been a mystery to me. it's clear this record has something to do with lamenting the fate of germany, but whether that refers to the treaty of versailles, the trials at nuremberg, or the conference at potsdam, i'm not sure.
Quote from: Jangchub Jr. on January 23, 2022, 09:03:18 PM
MSBR & RoboChanMan - Final Electro Acoustic Work 1
Didn't know about this one but goddamn I want to hear it. I've probably mentioned it in this thread already but MSBR & Kengo Iuchi is an all timer for me.