Was listening to BOTFLIES + TYHJÄ PÄÄ collaboration tape. Botflies is some sort of noise-rock type of music, Tyhjä Pää is harsh noise from Oulu. Tape sound better than the digital. Little extra ruggedness and saturation does the trick. But those who can't get the probably ultra limited tapes, can listen at:
https://botflies.bandcamp.com/album/botflies-tyhj-p
It made me think the fusion of punk/metal/grind + noise. There's been a lot. Long ago you could hear things like S.O.B.Kaidan (grindcore with hijokaidan) or Kenbaku Kaidan (punkrock with hijokaidan noise), and around the world plenty. In Finland I can think of Ride For Revenge + Bizarre Uproar (odd black metal + noise), Noituus + Umpio = Romutus (hc punk + noise). Umpio has played with Throat and some others too. And so on.
Occasionally, like with some SOBKaidan, I thought it's ok, but not spectacular. Feeling more like energy and structure of grindcore is ruined by random noise, while random noise is ruined by someone playing music behind it. When listening some Boris + Merzbow stuff, it would sound awful, even further to making both noise and music less of value when combined.
Yet, when listening for example this Botflies + Tyhjä Pää split, there is some really good tracks there, that are really intense. Noise contributes well to the music, and slightly structured elements of music actually manage to contribute harsh noise blasting.
Any favorites or disappointments in context of noise + music fusion?
groups like intolitarian and nyogthaeblisz comes to mind. also sadistic bliss and funeral mongoloids, maybe? of course, some noisecore taps into this territory as well, like some fear of god (maybe primarily pneumatic slaughter 7"). also a japcore band like sieg heil, maybe, but i don't know if this is what you're getting at... of course, you could also say tokyo anal dynamite.
Collaboration between Japanese Gore Beyond Necropsy and Merzbow springs to mind. They actually had two collaboration releases, one on 7" EP and second on LP / cd. I totally dig that LP titled "Rectal Anarchy". Gore Beyond Necropsy doing harsh grinding blast thing on their own and Merzbow their classic harsh noise.
Nyogthaeblisz as already mentioned. you also have bands like Tetragrammacide (not so much on their full length) and Konflict within the metal scene
Gas Chamber and Man Is The Bastard come to mind when thinking of punk/hardcore
Besides the obvious Man is the Bastard (Noise) mention, I feel Creation is Crucifixion was one of the best at trying to hybrid these styles. They weren't without weakness(es), but they did some genuinely decent work with it. It's been far too long ago for me to recommend anything in particular, so maybe someone else can help with that.
Like with any hybrid, it ain't an easy task. This might be one of the more difficult ones too. Trying to meld traditional structure with a less linear, abstract set of quasi-parameters. It's clear that bouncing back and forth isn't enough to pull it off. There has to be some real talent and good ear to integrate these disciplines. We could argue the theoretical why it isn't really a difficult task, but proof for it indeed being difficult is how few are actually successful in doing so.
Column of Heaven, and latter-day The Endless Blockade (split with Unearthly Trance featuring John Balistreri guest vocals and a Slogun cover)
Quote from: absurdexposition on December 07, 2018, 06:42:05 PM
Column of Heaven, and latter-day The Endless Blockade (split with Unearthly Trance featuring John Balistreri guest vocals and a Slogun cover)
Jonathan Canady from Deathpile did with some stuff with Unearthly Trance now that you mention them
Nikudorei.
what about the guys from sutcliffe jugend who did that metal album.. is it any good?
Gasp - Drome Triller of Puzzle Zoo People is probably the best example of mixing noise, tape loops and power violence. Everything about that record holds up after 20 years a lot better than a lot of the PV from that era.
Nikudori - Genital Torture is a perfect fusion of noise - one of the best records I own.
The Merzbow & Gore Beyond Necropsy collab is excellent and I'm sure it's the benchmark for this sort of thing.
Suppression did 7" collabs with Facialmass and Crank Sturgeon and both are very enjoyable.
Iron Lung "White Glove Test" has the album - I would say the best Iron Lung material - an LP and then a noise record - IIRC there is a download of both mixed.
Brutal Truth made a great noise record on their split(s) with Bastard Noise. I really like the "control room" mixes BT have done over the years.
Merzbow & Full of Hell collab is really excellent, the Sister Fawn LP in particular is great.
Disappointments are bands with a bunch of generic noise tracks interspersed or even worse, one long outro track that goes on and serves no real purpose. Or even worse, a record and accompanied noise record that need to be "played on two stereos simultaneously" - who has two stereos in the same room?
Shameless plug for a project I'm involved with - sort of punk, sort of noisecore, sort of noise - www.postnataldrip.bandcamp.com (http://www.postnataldrip.bandcamp.com) - might meet the criteria or perhaps just recorded so poorly it sounds like noisy shit?
probably worth linking this thread from earlier this year: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=8803.msg72145#msg72145 (http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=8803.msg72145#msg72145)
specifically regarding the mixing of grind with noise, and not just in an interlude type of way, Mortalized and Guilty Connector's collab miniCD "Concerto for Harsh Noise Grind#1" is certainly note worthy. Honestly I prefer both artists separately but I like that it's something different. https://www.discogs.com/Mortalized-Guilty-Connector-The-Concerto-For-Harsh-Noise-Grind-1/release/3732263 (https://www.discogs.com/Mortalized-Guilty-Connector-The-Concerto-For-Harsh-Noise-Grind-1/release/3732263)
probably my favorite blenders of noise and metal are Flooded Church of Asmodeus. absolutely shit-caked music with constant feedback squealing, indecipherable vocals and blasting drums. the last album was solid but the first one and the demo are fucking ace.
Gasp, Bastard Noise of course.
Gas Chamber are criminally underrated!
Rohit from pdx mine a sound similar to the modern band Sadist.
Once saw Albuquerque noise thrash psychos Tenderizor due a whole set on keyboards, that was fun.
Suppression are crucial, as is most cnp releases.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on December 07, 2018, 10:04:50 PM
probably my favorite blenders of noise and metal are Flooded Church of Asmodeus. absolutely shit-caked music with constant feedback squealing, indecipherable vocals and blasting drums. the last album was solid but the first one and the demo are fucking ace.
No Parole from Satanic Underground!
I find that with black metal artists anyways is that many people WISH they could make something like this, but fail to capture the spirit properly. They usually are not capable of doing it by themselves as they only have a real profound dedication for one side of the equation and are trying to use the one side to enhance the other. Be it noise/ambient/any non metal thing. Outside of Mikko Aspa (whom I do not have any contacts with, I think the last time I ordered something directly from NH was 10 years ago) I have only met one other person who I think has the ability to naturally make something good by themselves in both genre's and that individual is quite eccentric.
Usually you will find that by complete incompetence people make a type of metal/noise, metal/outsider hybrid music.
Years ago I make this release
https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Voice-Of-Truth/release/4265428
and the tracks for the band greif division were absolute noise. Some years later their frontman write me and says whatever I released was a type of recording accident and the band is actually an entirely instrumental jam band like the first Santana albums. I still wish that guy would come back and let me release the instrumental stuff even though nobody would buy it.
Then of course there is this
https://www.discogs.com/Gloriosa-Bandeira-NS-Ario-Philosophy-Of-The-World/master/1149989
which like The Shaggs album it's name pays tribute too, though there mere act of complete incompetence the recording artist manages to make a type of Outsider music/black metal fusion.
Personally the only thing I own and listen to with any degree of repetiveness in the general sphere of this discussion is Rapeman "Two Nun's and a pack mule", I was into Aghorophobic Nosebleed years ago but I never saved the only album I had.
I think most artists are only able to make one type of music or another. I tell people that if I had a black metal band it would be terrible, I am only capable of making Computer music. What usually works is a type of collaboration/remix project, but those usually don't end up with a long term appeal.
I like the Boris With Merzbow live double album a lot but some of the other stuff I've heard hasn't been so good. Seconds to TEB and Column Of Heaven, Gasp, MITB, suppression. I'd also add Disrotted, Whitehorse and Rab'ha from slower stuff.
We played with these guys this fall and they were super good. Lots of Suppression influence https://youtu.be/lxpyfXlp798
I've always found Merzbow's collaborations worth listening to, he has a way of weaving his noise into the textures of the music that doesn't overpower the grooves and rhythms but does add a peculiarly psychedelic effect. My favorite examples of this include his collaborations with Full of Hell, the Merzxiu album with Xiu Xiu (I'll probably get shit for this but I've always found Jamie Stewart to be admirably iconoclastic and at times brilliant, and it's crazy to me now that Xiu Xiu was so often lumped in with the Pitchfork approved indie bands of the early 2000s when they are so much more brazenly experimental and more in line with "chilly music" than anything Deerhunter has ever put out. Liars is another band that transcended the scene it was lumped in with, but that's neither here nor there).
'The Axiom of Inhumanity' by Bastard Noise and Brutal Truth is as good as the others on here say it is.
botflies is intense!
Very interested in hearing this BOTFLIES + TYHJÄ PÄÄ collab - anyone have any idea who might have copies? Or a band contact?
Quote from: holy ghost on December 16, 2018, 06:59:40 PM
Very interested in hearing this BOTFLIES + TYHJÄ PÄÄ collab - anyone have any idea who might have copies? Or a band contact?
There's a copy for sale on Discogs, listen here: https://botflies.bandcamp.com/album/botflies-tyhj-p
Very often find this whole approach completely sucks and rarely gets better than A) providing token noisy/weird little interludes between tracks or B) collaborating with someone to make some throw away garbage that doesn't much sound as good as either band would on their own.
Nikudorei and Bastard Noise/MITB make it work pretty good, what I've heard of Suppression fits the bill and I love the aforementioned Merzbow/Gore Beyond Necropsy stuff...but more often than not, by the time you get into the good shit with music like this you're basically just talking about good noisecore?!
Always found this band to be overlooked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpiRfrMV1sA
Kind of a nonsense band but I love the music.
A blend of black metal and harsh static noise
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One of my favorite releases that combined metal, grindcore, and noise was Reek of the Unzen Gas Fume's "Detritivorous Kamigami." Even though they already incorporate some elements of noise into their own material (such as on "Doku"), and had previously released split albums with noise musicians, on the vinyl and cassette versions of this demo the b side consisted of several collaboration tracks with noise musicians (X.E. Reptile Womb, Antichrist Kramer, etc.). Overall, the collaborations were all very good, as well as very different from one another. They showcased the diversity of noise by exploring rhythm, walls of static, and collages of found sounds.
Also, I really like the idea of releasing a demo with collaboration tracks with musicians that you admire. It's one thing to release a split with another band, but actually working together must be quite exciting.