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Saw this message and while whole "nazi music" thing is soooooo old, sometimes makes curious that sometimes the list of "dubious" or unacceptable bands are the best selling or who-is-who of power electronics. This list below obviously is just stupid, so leave it to that.

Quote from: online prowler on August 29, 2013, 02:22:11 AM
More online idiots.

Some guy posted this image and text below in several FB noise groups. It pisses me off that people don't do they're homework. Is this too much to ask or expect? Its due to ignorant humans like this that is impossible to have any proper dialog in the public.


THESE BANDS ARE NAZIS : .................................... Con-Dom, NON, Theologian, Nueva Germania, Brighter Death Now, Navicon Torture Technologies, Sektor 304, Xenophobic Ejaculation, Bagman, Singular Cleansweep Operations, Xiphoid Dementia, Swollen Korps, Felony Sexual Assault, Genocide Lolita, Control Resistance, Brethren, Hatekod, Wertham, Control Resistance, Bereft, Hermann Kop, Deathkey, Iron Youth, Deustche Christen, Boyd Rice .................................................. IS YOUR DECISION SUPPORT THEM OR NOT.

On this poll, one can just vote, or one can elaborate his choice of vote further in message. Poll results can be seen AFTER you have voted.

I realize that the votes have flaws.
But lets clarify: Buying something BECAUSE of content doesn't mean you explicitly agree or support. I appreciate both Militia and Brethren, and could say I would buy both because. Not despite. One may interpret the possibilities of replying as one wishes and also interpret "dubious content" as one wishes.

I don't think I know anybody who thinks exactly like me on many extenct of life. I like music/arts with contents and strong concept, but I do not necessarily have to agree with that.
I also listen lots of stuff with no content at all, yet I prefer somebody who is able to transmit fanaticism/obsessions in its music than more relaxed one.
I don't agree with Brethren, but his lastes releases are impressive, same went with many krishna core bands or communist hardcore projects. convinction often lead to intensity...

As said the above article is plain stupid, despite putting together projects that have nothing to share with each other (I repeat, what is hermann kop doing with all these noise oriented projects) and only 4/5 self proclaimed themselves to be what we are all accused of....
but same old stories... create drama, smear names you don't like, etc etc.

I have stopped debating the subject 7/8 years ago when a troll was doing these things in Italy and the result is that most people he insulted became friends with each other and started having parties, getting married with each other and recording new projects...

Either this is a somewhat successful attempt at trolling, or he's an idiot. He also seems to like spamming his shit to random records labels. Anyway, it should not come to anyone as a surprise that noise/P.E/industrial, so called "extreme" music deals with extreme subject matters. Violence, nazism, sexual transgression etc are all themes that fit the sound.. Then again, when you deal with these topics I guess you must expect some people to be offended.

Yes, of course!
I'm big fan of some projects who have nazi themes.
Beside that, WWII is my favorite part of history and I support all kind of human discrimination.

I voted the second option. But it's not entirely correct. In general, I listen to music to hear good music and content, well that comes on a second place. As the guy from Galgeras once said: if you're a great poet, but you just can't write music, you'd better publish a book.
However, I really like bands who are into something with conviction. Which is why I do like Der Stürmer, I do like their music, but I do also like the fact that they are absolutely serious about it, unlike certain other bands with whom it's not always clear whether they're serious or they're just doing it for the shock factor, even while I might not completely agree with their points of view. The same way I can also listen to some Crust Punk, when it's great music and their conviction and passion is clear.

I would not support "real labels" that could actually finance neo nazi activities. But I do enjoy such content and I do seek for it. And I think that for example XE would never be as interesting without the context. Generally I think the most interesting aspect of white power ideology is the criminal gangland side of it. So it definitely doesn't make me feel bad if I don't pay for some catchy RAC cd.

I think that art is better for then actual action. You make songs about a race war you get it all out your head in a manner that people can ignore should they feel offended rather then if you go out and actually do it, then everyone gets forced to hear about it on the news constantly.

I gave up all hope of people understanding that simple concept though when this statement had to be issued.

http://williambennett.blogspot.com/2013/03/statement.html

Then there was of course the American chef Paula dean who's entire empire was pretty much ripped down in front of her because she admitted under oath that she used Racial slur's in the past.

I tend to buy music that I find to be good, be it Lady Gaga, rap, crust punk, power electronics or black metal. Though I don't agree with NS views I don't let it prevent me listening to NSBM that I find good, etc.

absolutely the 2nd. I refuse to 'pick-a-side', and in my choice of music it doesn't matter when it's good and has strong/interisting content. It has to convince me, a rare thing these days.

Political, cultural and religious extremism have interested me for a long time. So yes on vote. P-K makes a valid remark re convincing.

From Discogs to Freak Animal. Trolling or not. FA is the new target. For those of you on fakebook. Check out here, the paranoid culprit is at it again:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/antifascistnoise/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/antifascistnoise/)  

Oh nice.

Its just another Shit, like these Industrial against Child Molester Dancefloor Stuff.

The easiest Way to Fuck the People up, is trying to Bann their Lovely Bands.

Yes, i'm one of the voters of "Yes, despite of content." opinion.

I know its roots from the late 70's industrial music and how, in general and after that, various post industrial musical branches grapples with various extreme subjects (paraphilias + far-wings politics mostly) which displays the dark side of the (huge) majority of modern society and how they've been done from a big part of the most nicest guys you didn't expect to meet with.

In the context of buying and listening to those particular musical forms, according to myself, i could care less about the content how matter it appeared and looked strong and offensive.

After all, music is one and infinite. Such is art. Such is life...

Why do people bother coming up w/ such lists, anyway? I really can't imagine that such a person could have a personal grudge against all the bands listed. Strange.
Incidently, I voted for the second option.

My vote is 3 as in I have no time for diluted half arsed spineless shit that takes no sides. Music is war!

That fb page is great. Not just because it's lame but also because it's suffered the same destiny of almost all other pages and groups dealing with noise on fb. It's a notice board for retards to promote their shit net releases that no one cares about. This anti fascist campaign has been killed by the usual flood of subhuman crap. Better luck next time.

No. 2: And also for the same reasons listed by P-K. Fuck off.

I get sick of reading a lot of ill researched bullshit accusatory shit (what's quoted) , what we can and can't listen to. I'm not interested in extreme right or left political ideologies they are self serving and pointless, I try to be good to the environment, animals, vegan, treat people equally and not screw people over. But when I read a post like the one quoted I get an unbearable urge to listen to the bands listed because I'll listen to what I want to.

Just got a few Skrewdriver records. Most RAC is just horrible and i'm not interested in NSBM or outfits like Deathkey.. It's mostly the same old empty slogans and images.

https://linksunten.indymedia.org/de/node/93802

After our friends of the Antifa successfully managed to cancel the Der­nière Volonté concert in Berlin (which was supposed to take place in the club "Urban Spree", 7th September 2013), they have now great ambitions to follow up with the forthcoming Der­nière Volonté concert in Mannheim by posting the outcome of their comprehensive research concerning other bands accompanyinng the event (see last post on the bottom): "Ich kenne die schwedische Band zwar nicht, aber diverse Foren lassen nur erahnen, was das für Leute sind (stenchforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=1745&p=22603 (discogs.com/artist/Trepaneringsritualen)" ... oh, yes, evil, evil buddhist swastica! But my favorite insight is the image gallery on the bottom of the main article, stating "Kon­zer­tan­kün­di­gung mit SS-Totenkopf: ,,Of the Wand & the Moon", Bi Nuu, April 2013" relating to a photo of the OTWATM band leader with a Totenkopf Mickey Mouse T-Shirt ... this is felicitous self-mockery : )

Does that make EE2 a Nazi rally too?  I didn't really pick you for a hatemonger, Stefan. :)

Quote from: fin de siècle on September 03, 2013, 01:46:20 PM
"Kon­zer­tan­kün­di­gung mit SS-Totenkopf: ,,Of the Wand & the Moon", Bi Nuu, April 2013" relating to a photo of the OTWATM band leader with a Totenkopf Mickey Mouse T-Shirt

LOL!
sad about the gig beingcancelled, also since knowing the people involved in person it is even sadder how far the tought police can go again  away from the truth.
When you have people with no personal consciousness these are the result, and it's funny to see they are the first ones to blame the system for censorship, human rights, etc.

Of course, once you provoke you must be ready to face consequences, but we are talking about two of the least" dangerous projects around, with a strongly romantic atmosphere, etc..

are they also blaming TXRXPX now??? how stupid is that?

Blaming others is Easy. So they do. And even if there are Discussions about it, the Work is done. If a Band have a Image, you can't change it afterwards at all. Thats the Interesting Point in the whole. Its absolute no Problem to Blame someone for Something, but is a Fucking Hell to relate this afterwards.

Some People say, its like the Witche Hunts and it is.

I don't think that Anti Nazi Spreaders are Stupid. In Contrary, they are Intelligent. Use as less Info as Possible with the Greatest Affect you can get. Even Local politics used this Anti Nazi Shit with Cancellling Concerts. It was an Allerseelen Concert and btw. Allerseelen Music is also played on a "Verfassungsschutz Informations Data" CD about Right Winged next to Soundsamples of Landser, Kraftschlag and others. So, it is Official from the Government that Allersellen = Neo Nazi without using any Word about it. Just playing the Music at the right (winged) Place.  Great, or?

Regarding wanna be censors. There are smart ones and stupid ones as in every path of life.
There have been people questioning before shows that were ok and had lots of fun once they broke their sense of guilt  and we got to know each other better since they actually cared about listening the music, read the lyrics and meet the people, something almost none of these people do... and others that react in pavlovian reflex.

I still think the worst thing happened to camerata mediolanense, when Bern self-claimed justice league attacked the venue without noticing that the singer is a gay-bear (actually there with his boyfriend), and the rest of the project were family-people. I was gutted when it happened.

all expensive gear (and club) got trashed, but gladly some of these got arrested and had to pay all the expenses etc. I am not a big fan of legal justice since I had my degree of problems with it and I think jail, etc are NEVER solutions for teenagers - unless for very dodgy crime -, but for once I was happy to contradict myself and was quite glad to know the hammer of the blind goddes crushed the culprit.

Thing is, whoever does extreme stuff should always bear in mind that going against the world does not include being enjoyed by everybody and social antibodies could always react violently, be this the legal system istelf or different form of liberal/conservative-minded people.

It is not a matter of communism, antifas, fascists, christians... these behaviours are mostly common feauture of people with low self-esteem with a lot of time to spend on the internet, often getting money to fund social trusts/university studies/etc need a reason to exist (no nazis/no money/no books published/no university work/no party) and whose fire power is often made of young idealist good-doers that have no time to get deeper into things and understand contraddictions, ambiguities, etc.

It happened with many cultural expressions (more relevant than underground ones), whenever a boundary was reached, a holy cow was shot and an old taboo broken, and as usual with age, those who were once victims turn into overzealous slaughters. we might become as well in a few years, who knows?

what can you do? be always prepared for the worst, never excuse yourself, never explain yourself too much to them -they are going to use your words against you- , always keep in mind they have no authority on you and you owe them nothing. if they attack fight back, if they shut down a gig, well that is sad. It is always good anyway to show when they lie in your own terms. contraddict their lies in your own term in interviews, your own web sites, etc.

Just look at the protesters outside the london gigs last year... nature has already been cruel to them, the maximum you could do offer them a tea and pat their shoulders.

I want to make only small observation about Nazi imagery but it is a small observation relating to concept of the uncomfortable in artwork and noise generally.

And actually it may be naive comment to a certain degree, but I fond that most interesting thing of many of these shocking artworks in scene is related to the idea of making people feel uncomfortable. I find that personally I do not pay that much attention to the real ideologies that may be behind certain images and where they came from but I am more interested in the idea that when I see something shocking it has the effect of challenging the normal condition of social life.

A good example of artwork in most recent times, Iron Fist of the Sun is perfect example. It takes a contemporary icon of Diana and repeats many times over and over with no statements. It is perfect for giving impression of uncertainty. What is the meaning? Is it OK to look at this image? Is it sensitive? is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? What is the ideology?

So many questions. I think this is very intelligent way to play with media icon images. But as for the Nazi question. The line between those who may submit to Nazi ideology and those who use images to reflect against media effect in society is something I do not know about with any great accuracy.

If there is some intelligent useage I would accept the artistic principle.

Quote from: fin de siècle on September 03, 2013, 01:46:20 PM
https://linksunten.indymedia.org/de/node/93802

After our friends of the Antifa successfully managed to cancel the Der­nière Volonté concert in Berlin (which was supposed to take place in the club "Urban Spree", 7th September 2013), they have now great ambitions to follow up with the forthcoming Der­nière Volonté concert in Mannheim by posting the outcome of their comprehensive research concerning other bands accompanyinng the event (see last post on the bottom): "Ich kenne die schwedische Band zwar nicht, aber diverse Foren lassen nur erahnen, was das für Leute sind (stenchforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=1745&p=22603 (discogs.com/artist/Trepaneringsritualen)" ... oh, yes, evil, evil buddhist swastica! But my favorite insight is the image gallery on the bottom of the main article, stating "Kon­zer­tan­kün­di­gung mit SS-Totenkopf: ,,Of the Wand & the Moon", Bi Nuu, April 2013" relating to a photo of the OTWATM band leader with a Totenkopf Mickey Mouse T-Shirt ... this is felicitous self-mockery : )

Yes, the concert featuring Trepaneringsritualen, Darkwood, Dogpop, and Derniere Volonte was cancelled. I'm afraid I couldn't undestand the link. Which band was the problem with? It would've been a good concert, and I had thought of going over, but a flight from Ireland for one night...? Probably a bit much. Nonetheless, I'm sure some people had made expensive travel arrangements.

http://www.bing.com/translator

You can cut & paste the text and get rough idea what it's about.

Thanks for the tip. The Bing thing wasn't great, so I just got the missus to translate most of it in the end. Seems like a German version of whomakesthenazis w/ all the 'guilt' by association and a few leaps and bounds of logic. I do wonder, however, how come there wasn't any fuss about the Tesco festival last year w/ more noisy 'power industrial' acts like Genocide Organ, Operation Cleansweep, Anenzaphalia etc.? Surely the same leaps of logic and 'guilt' by association would get you to a similar conclusion? Are these bands less 'popular' and therefore more under the radar for the hysterical left? I hadn't thought neo-folk was that popular, either. Maybe it's just a nice soft target for them to get worked up over. Pah!

Torn between 1 and 2, I opted for #1.  While ultimately, "the music is the thing", it just seems that artists that employ this type of content always seem to deliver.  Was just blown away this morning by Mauthausen Orchestra's "Dedicated to J Goebbels", which inspired me to seek out more from them.

Quote from: burdizzo on October 11, 2013, 12:24:19 AM
Thanks for the tip. The Bing thing wasn't great, so I just got the missus to translate most of it in the end. Seems like a German version of whomakesthenazis w/ all the 'guilt' by association and a few leaps and bounds of logic. I do wonder, however, how come there wasn't any fuss about the Tesco festival last year w/ more noisy 'power industrial' acts like Genocide Organ, Operation Cleansweep, Anenzaphalia etc.? Surely the same leaps of logic and 'guilt' by association would get you to a similar conclusion? Are these bands less 'popular' and therefore more under the radar for the hysterical left? I hadn't thought neo-folk was that popular, either. Maybe it's just a nice soft target for them to get worked up over. Pah!

Genocide Organ ect have had Many Problems in the Past, but its like Tidal Wave. Sometimes all went without any Problems (like last Blood Axis Gigs or Death in June) other Time the Newspapers are full of Idiotism about Concerts like that

The problem with martial music is it attracts a lot of queer uniform fetishists who get off on the irony and in their spare time listen to gay anarchopunk and secretly support antifa whether they want to admit it or not. I had one such fellow who actively took offense to my offhand use of slurs and the fact I had ties to the MRM. Fuck him and everyone like him.

Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on October 15, 2013, 02:44:04 AM
The problem with martial music is it attracts a lot of queer uniform fetishists who get off on the irony and in their spare time listen to gay anarchopunk and secretly support antifa whether they want to admit it or not. I had one such fellow who actively took offense to my offhand use of slurs and the fact I had ties to the MRM. Fuck him and everyone like him.

I won't even bother . . .

I will buy from many artist accused of such things because I feel many groups are targeted by people to lazy or stupid to look/think on a deeper level. Of course some sales are made up purely of morons, but I personally don't believe that it is an artist responsibility to explain themselves (As Bennett felt the need to). I am generally against ideology because I believe that it creates division, many the PC fascist that can't handle the fact that someone just said nigger or faggot, many of whom I feel are actually uncomfortable because they are afraid of their own past personal prejudice or some other hangup. I strongly dislike NSBM, flutes, some dude belting out "white thunder roars" or rob darrken just as a knight don't do it for me

What in the hell are you going on about?!?

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on October 23, 2013, 08:46:59 PM
What in the hell are you going on about?!?

ranting apparently, edited out the unnecessary.

Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on October 15, 2013, 02:44:04 AM
The problem with martial music is it attracts a lot of queer uniform fetishists who get off on the irony and in their spare time listen to gay anarchopunk and secretly support antifa whether they want to admit it or not. I had one such fellow who actively took offense to my offhand use of slurs and the fact I had ties to the MRM. Fuck him and everyone like him.

ARGH ANYTHING BUT QUEERS!!

oh, please.
Sergi (this guy are started this topic on his own page on facebook) are not bad guy, but sooo strange.
He sympathized to russian nazbols, different peoples calls different ages of him, etc.
long time he think me on vk.com and me on last.fm are different people.

just far i seen https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201823653740238&set=a.1069243258520.2012806.1449253873&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201823653740238&set=a.1069243258520.2012806.1449253873&type=1)

I am also in contact with Sergi. He is quite handsome. There are surely some things, he doesn`t really understand – someone just needs to explain him, that most things he tends to differentiate into "left" or "right" are not political per se. He uploads music, he buys, on archive.org in shit quality (without asking permission of course), which, however, he would delete, if you kindly ask him to do so. In the end he is very interested in all different kinds of music and quite open-minded ...

He is just dumb and boring. That's all.

I think he doesn't have an any imagine about "left" and "right". One of him posts:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARTIALMUSIC/permalink/604586269605519/
For people who can't read cyrillic: nationalism, socialism, revolution

Quote from: l.b. on October 31, 2013, 11:59:06 PM

Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on October 15, 2013, 02:44:04 AM
The problem with martial music is it attracts a lot of queer uniform fetishists who get off on the irony and in their spare time listen to gay anarchopunk and secretly support antifa whether they want to admit it or not. I had one such fellow who actively took offense to my offhand use of slurs and the fact I had ties to the MRM. Fuck him and everyone like him.

ARGH ANYTHING BUT QUEERS!!

this was years ago, but idc about gays existing. bigger things and all that stuff.

ofc now I've embraced Nazbol the last several years and Esotericism. kind of an oddball. but whatever. I know this is an old thread but I might come back every three or four months or whatever. idc.

i don't care, but i'm not anti-fascist per se, neither am i a fascist as such. i enjoy acts like XE, ZSS, etc. because of the music, of course, but the content is part of the experience for me. also, people who are "into extreme music", but can't take flirting with racism, sexism, etc. are just wimps who shouldn't listen to this stuff in the first place. i mean, look at throbbing gristle, whitehouse, mauthausen orchestra, etc. - and look at the norwegian black metal scene. all this stuff was there in the first place, so i don't really get people who wants to get into this stuff but remove the "dirty" stuff..

Quote from: brutalist_tapes on December 10, 2018, 01:23:40 PM
i don't care, but i'm not anti-fascist per se, neither am i a fascist as such. i enjoy acts like XE, ZSS, etc. because of the music, of course, but the content is part of the experience for me. also, people who are "into extreme music", but can't take flirting with racism, sexism, etc. are just wimps who shouldn't listen to this song stuff in the first place. i mean, look at throbbing grisearytle, whitehouse, mauthausen orchestra, etc. - and look at the norwegian black metal scene. all this stuff was there in the first place, so i don't really get people who wants to get into this stuff but remove the "dirty" stuff..

Most of it's a big show there are only a few nutters like me (yes Arseterror is still active, almost 12 years and more to come, and my new PE/grind/NSBM act Gaskeri (though it's more NatCom than NatSoc, a lot pro-Khmer Rouge and pro-Turk sentiment) there's still people out there who want an old codger like me (esp. with Arseterror) banned which is stupid since I don't even play live or have the money to do so. Idiots.

Quote from: brutalist_tapes on December 10, 2018, 01:23:40 PM
so i don't really get people who wants to get into this stuff but remove the "dirty" stuff..

I honestly think these people are just bored. Is like those women who only get their act together after they have children, their mind needs something to occupy it in a certain way.

Quote from: CosmicWeaponOfThule on December 11, 2018, 05:03:03 AM

Quote from: brutalist_tapes on December 10, 2018, 01:23:40 PM
so i don't really get people who wants to get into this stuff but remove the "dirty" stuff..

I honestly think these people are just bored. Is like those women who only get their act together after they have children, their mind needs something to occupy it in a certain way.

haha! i believe you are right!

Definitely "BECAUSE of the content" option for me. Certain projects interest me because of the extreme content, and I boycott some because I highly disagree with their views.

Quote from: vomitgore on December 11, 2018, 02:45:31 PM
Definitely "BECAUSE of the content" option for me. Certain projects interest me because of the extreme content, and I boycott some because I highly disagree with their views.

Essentially this, but there are plenty of shitty acts using content and imagery that I enjoy, so the music has to back it up.

This was posted by some fanatical try hard who thought anyone who enjoyed music that even slightly flirted with fascism and even just aesthetically was automatically a fascist/nazi. Of course he disappeared from the scene after like a month.

He should ad Weird Al to this list haha

(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/weird-al-yankovic-mandatory-fun.jpg?quality=80&w=1200)

Quote from: xdementia on December 14, 2018, 03:38:25 AM
He should ad Weird Al to this list haha

on that poster weird al obviously plays with soviet rather than fascist aesthetics

Quote from: ritualabuser on December 14, 2018, 02:13:40 AM

Quote from: vomitgore on December 11, 2018, 02:45:31 PM
Definitely "BECAUSE of the content" option for me. Certain projects interest me because of the extreme content, and I boycott some because I highly disagree with their views.

Essentially this, but there are plenty of shitty acts using content and imagery that I enjoy, so the music has to back it up.

Yes, this is true. Thankfully, I have never encountered seriously great art by those people who I would highly disagree with, so no need to re-evaluate there. But even when the ideas and images fit, the music has to back it up. For example, I was highly excited when new "extreme" projects came up recently, but was highly disappointed when I actually heard them. Artists thinking that any kind of digital, effortless noise is sufficient, as long as you have edgy themes is something I also heavily disagree with. For me, the best PE is a result of great sounds and intense themes in interaction.

i buy tons of RAC anc political explicit music so YES