This release cannot be sold in the Discogs Marketplace

[Coma Detox]

I think it's pretty funny that they'll keep all of it in it's database but won't sell it.  On a side note, discogs  can go fuck itself.

[WCrap]

i don't really understand the problem / surprise. if you want to get into the club you shouldn't be wearing a swastika t-shirt. it's simple.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I think problem is not discogs not allowing provocations, but that baby was thrown with the bath water.
To just get rid of "hate speech" a'la Xena Ejaculation, it took away possibilities of selling vast amount of other releases. I recall F&V has catalogue near 100 titles including bands a'la Mania, Coma Detox, Caligula304, Golden Rain, Halthan, Shift, Concrete Mascara, etc etc...  And also this meant that whatever releases some label has done as co-release with F&V is removed. Meaning few of Freak Animal or Untergeschoss titles can't be sold as F&V has co-released them.

I mentioned to Discogs staff, and they admitted banning entire label might have been done in haste and they'd put this case aside and look in future remove the ban of label, but just pick the offensive releases out. I advised that the mentioned XE is probably something that violates their policy, but it's hard to say what other titles would. If that would be the case, then by same logic basically any noise & pe releases could be banned.

I don't have anything to gain in this as I have not sold in discogs anything more than my personal collection removals - most of all noise CDR's.

But I do appreciate it that people tone down their "can suck my cock" type of responses if place is actually willing to look into matter if one simply asked them to do so...

[Goat93]

its always Problematic for Outsiders to Judge about the Contex. So, No wonder they use the "Easiest" Way.

What is this, an album track list? I don't get it.

A Text for People who can read Books, instead of Comix.


For you:



You can get the same Answer, if you ask about Grindcore/Death Metal Banning:

The Bandmembers are good,funny, lovely and nice People, who wouldn't Hurt anyone. The Lyrics and the Artwork are just Provocation.

Bla bla bla bla... means Blablabla

There is a Big Difference between Nazi Stuff and all other Provocating Stuff.

Nazi=No Go

all other Shit = Just Entertainment

1 possible Reason: !Historical Cruelty of the Nazis!

Idiotic: Christians bashing is NO Problem, so its absolute Ok to Praise the Lions in the Circus:



i took this Example, since it has a Historical matter. I could also use a Race Example, like ADR already used.
But i havn't, as you can see (or not).


End Sentence:

So, feed the Lions, but let the Gasmask at Home

(The Lions refers to my Example, the Gasmask to the Nazi Images. The End Sentence is Sarcasm)


I can draw Bubbles around the Sentences and make some Funny Looking Figures. But this would take a while to Scan. But No Problem about it

[Ashmonger]

The issue is, and I have seen this myself even though I do not have a full distro, that many people who buy releases today want to feel a sense of "security" when buying from an underground label/band/individual etc, and that security is found when purchasing through outlets such as Ebay, Gemm, Discogs and so on.

Indeed. Even though my distro is only running since a couple of months, I already noticed this. Most clear example was when a guy who got one of my flyers from a friend of mine (the flyer only has the url of the blogspot on it) ordered some stuff through discogs, then picked it up at my house, since he works nearby where I live... And apart from that, I use both discogs and blogspot, but most of my orders come through discogs...
Also, if you want to feel safe, you still can ask to pay through paypal, that gives you more safety than some discogs rating. (As was proven to me recently when trying to deal with the Signal Rex rip off.)
On the other hand, I know I've ordered from distros through discogs as well (when it's stuff I'm not too familiar with, such as punk), because it's not always clear what the name of the distro is, when the name of the discogs user isn't the same as the distro/label (as is often the case, for example with Phage Tapes).

[Cementimental]

its always Problematic for Outsiders to Judge about the Contex. So, No wonder they use the "Easiest" Way.

What is this, an album track list? I don't get it.

A Text for People who can read Books, instead of Comix.


For you:



You can get the same Answer, if you ask about Grindcore/Death Metal Banning:

The Bandmembers are good,funny, lovely and nice People, who wouldn't Hurt anyone. The Lyrics and the Artwork are just Provocation.

Bla bla bla bla... means Blablabla

There is a Big Difference between Nazi Stuff and all other Provocating Stuff.

Nazi=No Go

all other Shit = Just Entertainment

1 possible Reason: !Historical Cruelty of the Nazis!

Idiotic: Christians bashing is NO Problem, so its absolute Ok to Praise the Lions in the Circus:



i took this Example, since it has a Historical matter. I could also use a Race Example, like ADR already used.
But i havn't, as you can see (or not).


End Sentence:

So, feed the Lions, but let the Gasmask at Home

(The Lions refers to my Example, the Gasmask to the Nazi Images. The End Sentence is Sarcasm)


I can draw Bubbles around the Sentences and make some Funny Looking Figures. But this would take a while to Scan. But No Problem about it

yeah that seems even more like a series of disjointed randomly capitalised statements but thanks anyway. Might actually make a comic and/or noisecore record out of it now you mention the idea :)

[Goat93]

yeah that seems even more like a series of disjointed randomly capitalised statements but thanks anyway. Might actually make a comic and/or noisecore record out of it now you mention the idea :)

Oh, thats for free. Comix must be Grammar Free Zone.

:-)

[online prowler]

But I do appreciate it that people tone down their "can suck my cock" type of responses if place is actually willing to look into matter if one simply asked them to do so...

I register there are a few flaming emotional debates and cocky comments on the discogs thread re the F&V issue/fascistic music complaint. They doesn't assist in releasing the ban to be honest. Its quite polarized the discussion and they combatants will probably never see eye to eye. Hopefully people have enough sense not to lear off comments that will set the Jewish debatant afire. That would certainly be the last straw. For what goes here in SPIF and on the discogs thread it is two different things. Then again, SPIF is an open forum, but prob not monitored by Discogs. They aren't NSA exactly.  

[nullify]

GREAT call on the fact that religion bashing is just fine.  Rape, cannibalism, sodomy, just fine.  They'll take their cut of any of those records.  But blatant racism they have an issue with?  Granted, I do attempt to not support blatantly racist bands, but I guess I own plenty of albums with the other issues made light of.

This is stupid from a music point of view, but probably not a bad idea from a business standpoint. 

[online prowler]

More online idiots.

Some guy posted this image and text below in several FB noise groups. It pisses me off that people don't do they're homework. Is this too much to ask or expect? Its due to ignorant humans like this that is impossible to have any proper dialog in the public.



THESE BANDS ARE NAZIS : .................................... Con-Dom, NON, Theologian, Nueva Germania, Brighter Death Now, Navicon Torture Technologies, Sektor 304, Xenophobic Ejaculation, Bagman, Singular Cleansweep Operations, Xiphoid Dementia, Swollen Korps, Felony Sexual Assault, Genocide Lolita, Control Resistance, Brethren, Hatekod, Wertham, Control Resistance, Bereft, Hermann Kop, Deathkey, Iron Youth, Deustche Christen, Boyd Rice .................................................. IS YOUR DECISION SUPPORT THEM OR NOT.

[online prowler]

Good news, at least to some degree. Got this message from discogs today:

Hi,

We have removed the label from the block, however, will be taking the time to go through the artists and block the sale of some as we see fit. While we do understand artists pushing boundaries and the like, we can still choose as a company to not support artists we feel promote hate and violence and it is likely that some will be blocked. Thank you for participating in the conversation.

Best,

L

[Zeno Marx]

More online idiots.

Some guy posted this image and text below in several FB noise groups. It pisses me off that people don't do they're homework. Is this too much to ask or expect? Its due to ignorant humans like this that is impossible to have any proper dialog in the public.

Some people throw that kind of image and response around just to get a rise out of people.  Sound familiar to the conversation? In that case, they're playing right along with the spirit of it all, correct?  Many possible nonliteral reasons for posting that image in particular. And hey, when you toy with ambiguity as a tool, it shouldn't be any big surprise when someone gets you wrong.  That's the point, correct?  To Test.  To manipulate. To incite.  To push buttons.  Success.

[online prowler]

I'm surprised they unblocked F&V. Everything I clicked on except XE was unblocked.

If the glorification or promotion of violence is an issue then they have a lot of work ahead blocking death metal, black metal, & shitloads of rap releases.

I was unaware that Hermann Kopp was a Nazi. "Support them or not"- what other choice do we have? To be indifferent? That's me. I just don't care as long as I can sell my records for sky-high prices.

What do you give me for this magnitude of ludicrous statement they pull? Hæ? Its quite the George Bush "With us or against us" rhetoric applied when fine reading the statement "Support them or not". Are they implying I as a reader am a nazi since I don't see eye to eye with their statement. So be it. On a note: Different is the place to be for me as well. BW, I pray you will be shot to legend-hood and become dirt rich by the end of the year!

[online prowler]

More online idiots.

Some guy posted this image and text below in several FB noise groups. It pisses me off that people don't do they're homework. Is this too much to ask or expect? Its due to ignorant humans like this that is impossible to have any proper dialog in the public.

Some people throw that kind of image and response around just to get a rise out of people.  Sound familiar to the conversation? In that case, they're playing right along with the spirit of it all, correct?  Many possible nonliteral reasons for posting that image in particular. And hey, when you toy with ambiguity as a tool, it shouldn't be any big surprise when someone gets you wrong.  That's the point, correct?  To Test.  To manipulate. To incite.  To push buttons.  Success.

It is important to be aware of the context and work one is doing. ZM, I see your point which of course is evident. Then again, from another vista where one seriously is working on a longterm basis from 'inside' a stance to explore/criticize a topic is a old and known strategy in music and art production. So in this sense your response fall to fish so to speak. Not everything is a joke, but when exploring the boundaries one do of course have to be aware of the map one is taking a look at. If not, the investigation will fall on its ass. There is also a fundamental political difference in how - in general - the left and the right approach and utilize art in their causes. In short, the left see art and its expressions as a tool to divulge political content and struggle, while the right value esthetics as a means of presentation and political staging. Walter Benjamin, a brilliant communist and cultural researcher, wrote a lot about this. In effect, there is an indoctrinated (too harsh a word?) reading of some noise output, when said production is approach from a "red" standpoint in addition to not doing proper research on artists. I remember Death in June had similar accusations hanging over them at one point. So did William Bennett earlier this year when he was to do a Cut hands gig in Italy and received treats. And none of them in their current carriers have used any negative interpreted artistic expressions. That is if one don't deduct Bennett to be a flaming racist since he uses African related patterns/art on his covers. That would be an ignorant and slandering assumption. So, when speaking of playing around w imagery I would say the poster-maker above is doing exactly that.        

[fireblanket]

THESE BANDS ARE NAZIS : .................................... Con-Dom, NON, Theologian, Nueva Germania, Brighter Death Now, Navicon Torture Technologies, Sektor 304, Xenophobic Ejaculation, Bagman, Singular Cleansweep Operations, Xiphoid Dementia, Swollen Korps, Felony Sexual Assault, Genocide Lolita, Control Resistance, Brethren, Hatekod, Wertham, Control Resistance, Bereft, Hermann Kop, Deathkey, Iron Youth, Deustche Christen, Boyd Rice .................................................. IS YOUR DECISION SUPPORT THEM OR NOT.

I haven't actually heard of quite a few of these artists but how in the name of hell are Felony Sexual Assault Nazis? They have one tape on True Force/Pain Electronics which has no mention of any race issues, lots about sexual violence but nothing about race.