Broken Flag Festival reviews

Started by HongKongGoolagong, May 06, 2012, 07:39:29 PM

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DERBUNKERRECORDS

That's your opinion, fair enough.

However, as far as i'm concerned it went 100% to plan, and got a brilliant response from people that came up to me afterwards, so a success I suppose.

I enjoyed it, and that's all that really matters.

HH

FreakAnimalFinland

yeah, lets move on.

I don't think it was any HH vs. TNB thing anyways. One could easily talk about for example Giancarlo Toniutti. He had no live sound, only  quadraphonic live mix of pre-recorded sounds. Could it be done more "live" ? Or was it as live as live gets? Of course it was live, since the sounds he created - even if physical origin, only exists in that form as recorded material. No substitutes, but playing them in form they exists. Same could be said about Con-Dom. It was backing tapes and vocals as usual. But if sound doesn't exists in any other form than "loop tape", how else it should be played live? It can be only played by using the (loop) tape where sound is and it is as live as it gets. Trying to find some electronic gadget to generate sound in many ways isn't different than electronic gadget that plays the sound. It's more about intent what you aim for.

Of course I must say that looking back couple years at LAFMS event, I was slightly annoyed by John Duncan set. You know, I liked what I heard, but when I saw that it really was just DJ CD players where he played one CD and then faded in the other CD and that's that... But then you think why should he bring synths or shortwave radios and push couple more buttons of something else.. and not one button of CD player and move the slide? I know it should not really affect my feelings since I liked what I heard, but how you fight intellectually against authentic gut feeling?

It is perhaps most of all aesthetic issue. You travel across the europe, and then someone plays you CD. In the end it may be only possible solution, but still the physicality of live action and the human touch in general is what makes it interesting. While you can (should?) try to detach from trivial technological issues and focus on experience as whole (-> maybe the sound you hear?), I find myself very very interested in the craftmanship and charisma of creator. That can't be separated from what comes out of speakers.

Bands can naturally explain their intentions, but if they succeeded or failed is really subjective experience which can be discussed. Artists explanation may clear confusion, but probably not change experience so much. I mean, lets say TNB member explains all mistakes, all shabbiness and all failures were intentional. What does it change? If failing is bad, I don't see much different in pretending to fail. It doesn't become absurd genius work all the sudden. Lets say STAB electronics now says his microphone problems and random glitchy noises was all planned stage show. Would it become better? I would think not. It would merely explain little bit why it happened.
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kettu

Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 05:54:31 PM
. In my notoriously unhumble opinion I thought TNB sucked rather royally on Sunday.

Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 07:51:12 PM

Aaron Dilloway? Not quite karaoke, but it certainly did suck.

people tend to look at a noise with different eyes and the same gig can be quite a different experience depending where you stand+what expectations one might have. standing in the back everything might be okish but standing in the first row everything is going wrong in such a rate that you cant really enjoy whats going on.Ive witnessed one such show.

if nosh was expecting something more or different I think thats fine to say in a review,especially when being fairly kind with his words.


youngnosh seemingly has the gift of patience or has dealed with shift guy before as this back and forth simmered down quite nicely without too much butthurt.


bitewerksMTB

Saw a bunch of nice fest photos on facebook.

When I saw John Duncan in '89 or '90, all he did was press play on a dat deck & run a film.

What act at BF had the female on guitar & violin? Could be 2 different acts but looked like the same woman.

youngnosh

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 10, 2012, 09:42:19 PM
Saw a bunch of nice fest photos on facebook.

When I saw John Duncan in '89 or '90, all he did was press play on a dat deck & run a film.

What act at BF had the female on guitar & violin? Could be 2 different acts but looked like the same woman.

That was either Voltigeurs, Skullflower or if there was a man in drag with them - Black Sunroof!
Really enjoyed each of them, even though Gordon "Cindytalk" Sharps vocals with Black Sunroof! took some getting used to...

youngnosh

Also, on a side note - there was a Ramleh rock gig last October in Leeds with Volitgeurs being one of the supporting bands.
I think Gary Mundy played synth over the Voltigeurs set and it was fantastic...i really wish i'd have recorded it as it set in my mind what to expect at BF.

bitewerksMTB

Anyone know why Sutcliffe Jugend wasn't involved? They were around 30 years ago.


ironfistofthesun

@ Mikko ..when you dj'd at the unrest showcase did you play a new brethren track? If not ,it is something i do not have by him!
It sounded like a killer..way more rhythmic  than usual ! new album???

re/ unrest
Thank you to all attended to all acts and sound guy for being a good sport! In the true spirit of "tears royal lp" i wanted to do something unique and special for martin so i stepped out of my comfort zone.

re/broken flag

I had the daunting task of taking my 10wk old daughter and partner to london for 4 days, with all my kit and full baby kit!
As soon as i see anyone with a chaos pad it fucking spoils it for me...way too many in use , painted all the sets with the same sound! I understand why a touring unit use them (small / lightweight/ fits nicely into a rucksack) but I would rather see someone press play and have unique playback as opposed to chaos pad silly finger antics !
con-dom was the only act i saw that truly embodied the spirit of BF for me! I missed the sat night due to a colic induced family meltdown back at the hotel, so i missed grunt/jfk/ce etc
However some good stuff on show.
I did quite like ramleh's rock set... but i like sloppy guitar bands..

best part for me was catching up with folk/having a beer and moaning over chaos pads and those silly little childrens synths! ha! 
some great merch on offer spent way too much even on a 5 pint curfew!   

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: ironfistofthesun on May 11, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
@ Mikko ..when you dj'd at the unrest showcase did you play a new brethren track? If not ,it is something i do not have by him!
It sounded like a killer..way more rhythmic  than usual ! new album???

Yes, set started with new unreleased Brethren. Album is great. Lots of rhythmic stuff and very structured, but not so far from what he has already explored in 10", 7" and compilation track. I guess material was completed already last year, but still working on the details (covers etc).

DJ set consisted pretty much either unreleased or ultra limited stuff. As yet unreleased Pain Nail, Mania, Brethren, etc. with rarities of Prurient (the song recorded in my basement), Grunt etc. Perhaps cheap to play noise at end of noise show, but I thought playing something almost nobody had heard - at least in such versions - was entertaining for myself.
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#70
Club Moral kookiness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LT1IdU6ouo&feature=related

always loved/hated his vocals

HongKongGoolagong

Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 10:10:05 PM
Also, on a side note - there was a Ramleh rock gig last October in Leeds with Volitgeurs being one of the supporting bands.
I think Gary Mundy played synth over the Voltigeurs set and it was fantastic...i really wish i'd have recorded it as it set in my mind what to expect at BF.

No that was Gary's "wounded elk" vocalisations - see http://thequietus.com/articles/07835-ramleh-interview-broken-flag - Black Sunroof! was a bold experiment but didn't work as well as that night did.

More reviews of festival:

http://www.theliminal.co.uk/2012/05/never-say-when-broken-flags-30th-anniversary/

http://idwalfisher.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/last-night-of-broken-flag-weekend.html

http://thequietus.com/articles/08775-broken-flag-weekender-ramleh-consumer-electronics-review

Jaakko V.

Quote[...] Grunt, who were beyond cliche with their ugly shouted vocals and stereotypical blasts of uninspired greasy noise. Meanwhile, young Finn Tommi Keränen, who appeared on Sunday, was more sedate, but failed to distinguish his sound from every "pure Power Electronics" act that preceded him, his scraped tones sounding like a carbon copy of Grey Wolves circa 1992.

! :D ...

ConcreteMascara

Got to love outsider reviews. Just because you can google some info on Broken Flag does not make you a noise expert. Fuck off!
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HongKongGoolagong

The Quietus review is really awful badly written shit, the Liminal review expressed opinions pretty well and showed passion. I realise I am very much in the minority but feel the same about the Grunt set to be honest.