I remember this Sonic Disorder / Sisten 343 split 7" was described to be the lowest of the low. Total gutter noise, just lo-fi damage and not much talent, composition, etc. However, when I revisited the 7" and gave it couple spins, other than fact that SD side is way too short and passes by too quickly, it ain't the "worst".
Sometimes the worst, the most low-tech, the dirtiest and ugliest vinyl records have charm what makes impact. I think examples could be the Sonic Disorder tape on Les Disques Bruitistes? And Francois Douris LP on RRR is another what could be described to be such. Not to mention more PE approach, but equal damage dony by Xenophobic Ejaculation. Not long ago I wrote review of Hair Police 12" which probably goes into this category easily.
It's very thin line. What is utmost crap, and what suddenly manages to transfor their rubbish into stuff you actually pay for to hear! Make recommendations & comments. No heavy harsh noise, no loud PE. Just the lowest of the low, that is... good?
well, was listening to Prick Decay 7", and if this doesn't fit in this topic, nothing does.
When the title of 7" is "rotten groove" and it says "low-fi gunk noise with various guest including Jeph Jerman", I guess it's guaranteed. Really rotten sounds of junk objects, some feedbacks, banjos (?), distant howling singing, hum of machines, Hands To style contributions of walkman captured concrete sounds. It is noisy, but not brutal. Just plain disturbing. I remember Prick Decay being slightly too hard bite 10 years ago, but now their disturbing noise garbage seems like very healthy dose of rawness in opposition of all heavy and well made full noise products.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 02, 2010, 07:26:37 PM
Really rotten sounds of junk objects, some feedbacks, banjos (?), distant howling singing, hum of machines, Hands To style contributions of walkman captured concrete sounds. It is noisy, but not brutal. Just plain disturbing.
sounds beatiful.
I believe this is my first selfpromotion ever but theres definetly something like this going on in the upcoming m/d tape on filth and violence.no skills,no-fi, just shitty mudnoise. I dont know if the material has been sent to the factory but ive been listening to the tape master and comparing it to the cdmaster that somebody was kind enough to make. its not that bad even if I say so myself. a little bit of hiss has been removed which certainly wasnt my suggestion but its still sounds pretty noisy.
I dont think I have much of filthy turd exept maybe a rrrecycled tape or something. but ive seen some live clips that were just so weird. one single piece of piezod metal and telling jokes or something with a thick thick brit dialect or accent whatever its called.
Filthy Turd fits in this category perfect. Some of his stuff is good, some isn't. It's kind of hit & miss. He seems more of noise maker and performance prankster than one that cares how perfect his new release is. It might be just bongo drums recorded on boombox with internal mic's at maximum gain. And even then, result may be phenomenal.
I had a vague recollection that I have 60 minutes of THE most red neck noise ever and I found it. psychodrama is that the bands name? its an aquired taste haha . I think rrrolf had some dealings with them or then he passed. I cant remember how the story went but I remember reading about it on the maniacs forum.
music bits, some noisy stuff , "racially charged" chantings. weird stuff
Skin Graft from the US does a great job of this.
I have a retrospective cd-r ("Definitive edition", hah!) of a group called Bruce Carkiss. It was advertised as "ultimate in redneck psycho electronics and rural industrial mayhem". Which sounds fuckin' awesome! Unfortunately it's not all that great. I's true no-talent junk noise alright with a proper outsider yahoo flavor. But it's also slightly boring, too much filler and not enough action. More mental disorder is needed. Still, it's ok as background insanity.
Maybe Crank Sturgeon would qualify? Or maybe not, he's too talented. Anyway, that LP on RRR is great!
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 30, 2010, 10:20:20 AMAnd Francois Douris LP on RRR is another what could be described to be such.
Isn't that album low-grade electro-acoustics? I haven't listened to it in a long, long time.
yes, perhaps one can call it electro acoustic as well. What he does, is just total raw garbage sounds. No fancy effects, not that much of "composition". More just rawness. Note that "noise" meant in this topic, is not "noise" as militant harsh noise. Just whatever is noisy, is noise. Doesn't need to be "harsh", as long as it's raw and disturbing junk. Some field recordings is that. Some electro acoustic as well. Some free-improv. too.
Quote from: niko penttinen on February 02, 2010, 07:50:00 PM
I believe this is my first selfpromotion ever but theres definetly something like this going on
Well then I'll follow. The first two Angry Ayrans tapes i put out before we started Posh Isolation, Definitely fits in this thread. Screaming and lo fi feedback. I barely knew what i was doing back then. I believe Mikko may still have one in stock??
Smell The Stench, especially the early tapes, used to specialise in this stuff. Was sent a cd by a project who's name I can't even remember that I got rid of eventually. I'm pretty fussy; I love the sound and idea of "gutter noise" but some shit just doesn't work, and I have too little space where I live to clutter it with albums I don't want.
Interesting XE is mentioned, I think the idea there is more minimalism, combined with Pasi's usual aesthetic. It is hard to listen to, challenging, but in a positive and rewarding way. I think it could stand it's own recorded in good studio conditions, for example. But a lot of Shit Noise might still sound shit no matter what the scenario.
Pretty sure Extreme Hair Stench belongs in this category...will have to dig out a couple of tapes later.......
http://shitcore.dk/mp3z/ (http://shitcore.dk/mp3z/)
Maybe I must quote myself from opening. This wasn't meant to be list of shit. If something is total shit, then it is.
This was about the thin line when in sound alchemy mud and rubbish is about to turn into gold.
Which can be interesting moment, when compared to stuff what automatically is defined "good" and with plenty of artistic merit.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 30, 2010, 10:20:20 AM
It's very thin line. What is utmost crap, and what suddenly manages to transfor their rubbish into stuff you actually pay for to hear! Make recommendations & comments. No heavy harsh noise, no loud PE. Just the lowest of the low, that is... good?
Extreme Hair Stench was the germany guy who published Gerogerigegege "recollections of primary masturbation" CD. He did few tapes, which little by little improved. But not so much. All it ever was: microphone, input gain at max, blowing and grinding mic to some surfaces. Not interesting sounds, but low rumbling bassy distortion. It got slightly more "aggressive".
Even band like ODAL liked to describe his stuff as "shitnoise". I believe it was reference to the lowest crappy lo-fi source sounds and primitive assembling. To me some of his stuff is exactly the total gutter noise. It is not pure shit at all, just shit turned worth to listen to. Nothing nice, nothing clean, nothing heavy,...
I remember reading about Psycodrama on that other board, sounds like something I would enjoy immensely (ah, found a download!). There's something about the idea of total hillbilly, backwoods American rednecks making noise/racket that appeals to me... When I was younger I was totally addicted to z-grade trash movies about the deep South (and Cajun country). Stuff like H. G. Lewis's Moonshine Mountain, a great film! Hmm.. must revisit those some time soon.
Anyway, suggestions about stuff that would live up to the Bruce Carkiss advertising blurb quoted above are welcome. Something that would go well with a really cheap bottle of bourbon with beef-jerky on the side. Pick-up trucks and shotguns on cover art would be good.
Psychodrama stuff is still available from Aes Nihil archives. He also distributes lots of Lisa Suckdog. Some tasty and perhaps not so fully authorized industrial archieval xerox packages available too.
Speaking of Lisa Suckdog. I guess Costes needs to mentioned in a thread like this.
V/A Circusirus .. 3x7"??
Petri Supply
Don't know where I got this, it had handmade pricetag in $$ to possibly bought it somewhere in US. Anyways. Listened it otherday, wondering what the fuck is this. Packaging is highly confusing. You don't know who is playing, what speed, and... well, I didn't basically even know the name of the release, but due knowing label, took a look at discogs today and it says:
"pressed in edition of 400 in 1991. however, the records and their beautiful silkscreened envelop lay in storage in a basement in Seattle waiting for some as yet undecided element to finish them. then in late 1996, they were finally unleashed, though only 100 copies, as it was decided that each batch of 100 would be a different variation on the set, and work on the each batch would seem to start only well after the last one had sold out. through this long process, Mark Schomburg a.k.a. Abo of Yeast Culture varied the title of the collection as well as of the label, though essentially containing the same material. this is the first edition of 100 and includes a third record by Dada Action Group. this third 7" is actually a conceptual anti-record (a hand altered and painted vinyl record of unknown origin). the artist on each side as well as the speed each side plays at (some are 33 and some are 45) can be figured out by listening to the spoken intros to each side recorded by Mark Andrew Schomburg and John Hubbard. each record does have its own individual sleeve, and all three are contained in a silkscreened envelope which is tied shut with string."
My version, don't know exactly what pressing, has just 2 7"s and the third is just sheet on cardboard with blind writing (embossed dots). Probably as useful as spraypainted anti 7". Don't know what it says, if anything that would make sense. Artwork remind of the recent Hands To "flatline" LP. One can give credit for the artists really crafting these things with ultra detailed level.
So who's in? Smegma, Ultra, Strength Through Joy and Yeast Culture. And while some of the stuff goes into just insane improv. or collage of sonic fart, crude electro-acoustic dirt, drum-machines and guitars with female voice... some of the material could be simply labeled under amazing gutter noise. So who's who and did I even listen at correct speed? Not sure, but in this context, it seems irrelevant. Amount of total gutter is perhaps too small, and maybe this should have been on topic of obscure compilations. Since it is exactly that. Makes hardly sense most of the time when didn't know who was in. But with knowing who's actually in, new spinning suddenly started to make much more sense. Also about speeds of how it was intended..
H.Ö.H. (Fin). Not to be confused with other projects with same name. Icelandic HÖH did nice collaboration with Current 93 for example.
"2P / No More References", wew tape of H.Ö.H. again in quite short time! Not sure of the title, but those are the two tracks featured on this release. When I first heard about the band, I merely received bunch of anonymous tapes in mail. Could tell according to postal stamps, it was from Helsinki, but that was it.
Still now H.Ö.H. appears to operate quite isolated from "scene", but tapes are really good ones. If we talk about lowest of the low, total gutter noise, it fits there perfectly. Total lack of any effects. Total lack of any neat gadgets. Total lack of heavy brutality. Just ultra raw radio-static noises and little bit of other crude noises build these tracks. Perhaps surprisingly "musical" in this tape. Lets say in standard if instrumental version of CON-DOM "Jesus Penis" is something what appears musical to your ears?
I'm not sure, but I assume there are no samples online and tape are also quite limited availability, but if you see them somewhere and you have soft spot for utmost rawness, then I suggest to go for it.
I think that lots of The New Blockaders' material has a really raw, messy, and unhinged sound.
obvious answer is ARV & MILJO. lots of swedish stuff probably. like also SSRI (aka Sick Seed, Gelsomina) especially 'Robust' tape on Narcolepsia. Lots of crappy brown turntable sounds, radio, bashing objects, etc.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 02, 2010, 07:26:37 PM
well, was listening to Prick Decay 7", and if this doesn't fit in this topic, nothing does.
When the title of 7" is "rotten groove" and it says "low-fi gunk noise with various guest including Jeph Jerman", I guess it's guaranteed. Really rotten sounds of junk objects, some feedbacks, banjos (?), distant howling singing, hum of machines, Hands To style contributions of walkman captured concrete sounds. It is noisy, but not brutal. Just plain disturbing. I remember Prick Decay being slightly too hard bite 10 years ago, but now their disturbing noise garbage seems like very healthy dose of rawness in opposition of all heavy and well made full noise products.
Bought this one recently. It seems i have to play it again.
Love the early Odal tapes, TNB - Changez 12", used to like Outermost but haven't listened to his stuff last couple of years, Crank Sturgeon 12" on RRR that was mentioned in this tread, some Caroliner Rainbow + related projects fall into this category although most of their stuff is too musical i guess..
BLODVITE, ALLEYPISSER... all those guys....
but as far as USA is concerned.... SKIN GRAFT definitely comes to mind... also H.C.O.D tapes on the Fieldwork label, very decayed and rotten. if we're talking lowest of the low, what about the FAG TAPES stuff?
i like that style of noise very much
Quote from: collapsedhole on August 27, 2015, 04:03:41 AM
BLODVITE, ALLEYPISSER... all those guys....
but as far as USA is concerned.... SKIN GRAFT definitely comes to mind... also H.C.O.D tapes on the Fieldwork label, very decayed and rotten. if we're talking lowest of the low, what about the FAG TAPES stuff?
Alleypisser and Skin Graft are both excellent at making something out of nothing. Junk noise at it's finest.
Many Fag Tapes releases also come to mind, yeah. Always dug the Sick Llama style of using whatever is at your disposal to make some some weird fuckin sounds.
Green Army Fraction's "Airyanem Vaejah" at least comes to what Mikko mentions. Boiling, gruff mess all over the mix. Little bit of vocals on the short B1 track. Otherwise it's just a lo-fi, low-end bruiser. Released on Cult Cassettes, which definitely makes sense as it reminds of early Burial Hex all the way. Only thing, other than the Niellerade Fallibilithorstar collaboration, that I ever like by GAF and it's amazing.
I think most of the American Tapes catalogue could come into this category or "genre". Perhaps at one time it was so trendy that it is now anti-trendy amongst the elite noise folk but from the few bits and pieces I have heard it seems to follow a certain steady pattern of quantity, full session without overdubs or editing and the use of anything as instrument. Perhaps it doesn't contain the filth that is associated with gutter noise title... gutter improv perhaps? Not interested to say one way or another about it's "quality" as music or otherwise; but perhaps it fits...
Quote from: eyestrain on August 30, 2015, 05:28:17 PM
Green Army Fraction's "Airyanem Vaejah" at least comes to what Mikko mentions. Boiling, gruff mess all over the mix. Little bit of vocals on the short B1 track. Otherwise it's just a lo-fi, low-end bruiser. Released on Cult Cassettes, which definitely makes sense as it reminds of early Burial Hex all the way. Only thing, other than the Niellerade Fallibilithorstar collaboration, that I ever like by GAF and it's amazing.
Oh! Haven't heard the GAF tape you mention, but I was listening to
Spear of Tradition the other day, and I thought it was great - but certainly not suitable for this topic. Strong and forceful power electronics. Wondering will there be any more from him?
I also wonder why Streicher wouldn't fit here. Certainly tracks like 'I don't Give a Fuck' are what I'd consider low-class gutter noise. I still love it, though...
you remember me that Streicher fit indeed here
Quote from: eyestrain on August 30, 2015, 05:28:17 PM
Green Army Fraction's "Airyanem Vaejah" at least comes to what Mikko mentions. Boiling, gruff mess all over the mix. Little bit of vocals on the short B1 track. Otherwise it's just a lo-fi, low-end bruiser. Released on Cult Cassettes, which definitely makes sense as it reminds of early Burial Hex all the way. Only thing, other than the Niellerade Fallibilithorstar collaboration, that I ever like by GAF and it's amazing.
Odd, because my memory of it wasn't that it was lo-fi gutter Noise but listening to it right now, I agree with this completely. Haven't heard the collaboration mentioned but have to say it's the only GAF I've heard that I like, as well.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 03, 2015, 04:37:20 AM
Quote from: eyestrain on August 30, 2015, 05:28:17 PM
Green Army Fraction's "Airyanem Vaejah" at least comes to what Mikko mentions. Boiling, gruff mess all over the mix. Little bit of vocals on the short B1 track. Otherwise it's just a lo-fi, low-end bruiser. Released on Cult Cassettes, which definitely makes sense as it reminds of early Burial Hex all the way. Only thing, other than the Niellerade Fallibilithorstar collaboration, that I ever like by GAF and it's amazing.
Odd, because my memory of it wasn't that it was lo-fi gutter Noise but listening to it right now, I agree with this completely. Haven't heard the collaboration mentioned but have to say it's the only GAF I've heard that I like, as well.
Collab is a little more PE, but just vaguely and maybe that's only my opinion cos the recording is much crisper. Niellerade obviously adds lots of acoustic dynamics to it. Pretty aggressive for NF.