lowest of the low, total gutter noise

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I remember this Sonic Disorder / Sisten 343 split 7" was described to be the lowest of the low. Total gutter noise, just lo-fi damage and not much talent, composition, etc. However, when I revisited the 7" and gave it couple spins, other than fact that SD side is way too short and passes by too quickly, it ain't the "worst".
Sometimes the worst, the most low-tech, the dirtiest and ugliest vinyl records have charm what makes impact. I think examples could be the Sonic Disorder tape on Les Disques Bruitistes? And Francois Douris LP on RRR is another what could be described to be such. Not to mention more PE approach, but equal damage dony by Xenophobic Ejaculation. Not long ago I wrote review of Hair Police 12" which probably goes into this category easily.

It's very thin line. What is utmost crap, and what suddenly manages to transfor their rubbish into stuff you actually pay for to hear! Make recommendations & comments. No heavy harsh noise, no loud PE. Just the lowest of the low, that is... good?

[FreakAnimalFinland]

well, was listening to Prick Decay 7", and if this doesn't fit in this topic, nothing does.
When the title of 7" is "rotten groove" and it says "low-fi gunk noise with various guest including Jeph Jerman", I guess it's guaranteed. Really rotten sounds of junk objects, some feedbacks, banjos (?), distant howling singing, hum of machines, Hands To style contributions of walkman captured concrete sounds. It is noisy, but not brutal. Just plain disturbing. I remember Prick Decay being slightly too hard bite 10 years ago, but now their disturbing noise garbage seems like very healthy dose of rawness in opposition of all heavy and well made full noise products.

[kettu]

Really rotten sounds of junk objects, some feedbacks, banjos (?), distant howling singing, hum of machines, Hands To style contributions of walkman captured concrete sounds. It is noisy, but not brutal. Just plain disturbing.

sounds beatiful.

I believe this is my first selfpromotion ever but theres definetly something like this going on in the upcoming m/d tape on filth and violence.no skills,no-fi, just shitty mudnoise. I dont know if the material has been sent to the factory but ive been listening to the tape master and comparing it to the cdmaster that somebody was kind enough to make. its not that bad even if I say so myself. a little bit of hiss has been removed which certainly wasnt my suggestion but its still sounds pretty noisy.

I dont think I have much of filthy turd exept maybe a rrrecycled tape or something. but ive seen some live clips that were just so weird. one single piece of piezod metal and telling jokes or something with a  thick thick brit dialect or accent whatever its called.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Filthy Turd fits in this category perfect. Some of his stuff is good, some isn't. It's kind of hit & miss. He seems more of noise maker and performance prankster than one that cares how perfect his new release is. It might be just bongo drums recorded on boombox with internal mic's at maximum gain. And even then, result may be phenomenal.

[kettu]

I had a vague recollection that I have 60 minutes of THE most red neck noise ever and I found it. psychodrama is that the bands name? its an aquired taste haha . I think rrrolf had some dealings with them or then he passed. I cant remember how the story went but I remember reading about it on the maniacs forum.

music bits, some noisy stuff , "racially charged" chantings. weird stuff

[Nyodene D]

Skin Graft from the US does a great job of this.

[heretogo]

I have a retrospective cd-r ("Definitive edition", hah!) of a group called Bruce Carkiss. It was advertised as "ultimate in redneck psycho electronics and rural industrial mayhem". Which sounds fuckin' awesome! Unfortunately it's not all that great. I's true no-talent junk noise alright with a proper outsider yahoo flavor. But it's also slightly boring, too much filler and not enough action. More mental disorder is needed. Still, it's ok as background insanity.

Maybe Crank Sturgeon would qualify? Or maybe not, he's too talented. Anyway, that LP on RRR is great!

[Zeno Marx]

And Francois Douris LP on RRR is another what could be described to be such.

Isn't that album low-grade electro-acoustics?  I haven't listened to it in a long, long time.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

yes, perhaps one can call it electro acoustic as well. What he does, is just total raw garbage sounds. No fancy effects, not that much of "composition". More just rawness. Note that "noise" meant in this topic, is not "noise" as militant harsh noise. Just whatever is noisy, is noise. Doesn't need to be "harsh", as long as it's raw and disturbing junk. Some field recordings is that. Some electro acoustic as well. Some free-improv. too.

[Ashley Choke]

I believe this is my first selfpromotion ever but theres definetly something like this going on

Well then I'll follow. The first two Angry Ayrans tapes i put out before we started Posh Isolation, Definitely fits in this thread. Screaming and lo fi feedback. I barely knew what i was doing back then. I believe Mikko may still have one in stock??

[Andrew McIntosh]

Smell The Stench, especially the early tapes, used to specialise in this stuff. Was sent a cd by a project who's name I can't even remember that I got rid of eventually. I'm pretty fussy; I love the sound and idea of "gutter noise" but some shit just doesn't work, and I have too little space where I live to clutter it with albums I don't want.

Interesting XE is mentioned, I think the idea there is more minimalism, combined with Pasi's usual aesthetic. It is hard to listen to, challenging, but in a positive and rewarding way. I think it could stand it's own recorded in good studio conditions, for example. But a lot of Shit Noise might still sound shit no matter what the scenario.

[facialmess]

Pretty sure Extreme Hair Stench belongs in this category...will have to dig out a couple of tapes later.......

[Andrew McIntosh]

http://shitcore.dk/mp3z/

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Maybe I must quote myself from opening. This wasn't meant to be list of shit. If something is total shit, then it is.
This was about the thin line when in sound alchemy mud and rubbish is about to turn into gold.
Which can be interesting moment, when compared to stuff what automatically is defined "good" and with plenty of artistic merit.

It's very thin line. What is utmost crap, and what suddenly manages to transfor their rubbish into stuff you actually pay for to hear! Make recommendations & comments. No heavy harsh noise, no loud PE. Just the lowest of the low, that is... good?

Extreme Hair Stench was the germany guy who published Gerogerigegege "recollections of primary masturbation" CD. He did few tapes, which little by little improved. But not so much. All it ever was: microphone, input gain at max, blowing and grinding mic to some surfaces. Not interesting sounds, but low rumbling bassy distortion. It got slightly more "aggressive".

Even band like ODAL liked to describe his stuff as "shitnoise". I believe it was reference to the lowest crappy lo-fi source sounds and primitive assembling. To me some of his stuff is exactly the total gutter noise. It is not pure shit at all, just shit turned worth to listen to. Nothing nice, nothing clean, nothing heavy,...

[heretogo]

I remember reading about Psycodrama on that other board, sounds like something I would enjoy immensely (ah, found a download!). There's something about the idea of total hillbilly, backwoods American rednecks making noise/racket that appeals to me... When I was younger I was totally addicted to z-grade trash movies about the deep South (and Cajun country). Stuff like H. G. Lewis's Moonshine Mountain, a great film! Hmm.. must revisit those some time soon.

Anyway, suggestions about stuff that would live up to the Bruce Carkiss advertising blurb quoted above are welcome. Something that would go well with a really cheap bottle of bourbon with beef-jerky on the side. Pick-up trucks and shotguns on cover art would be good.