A thread just for discussion of this festival. I only went to one night, will be interested to hear what happened the other two evenings.
KLEISTWAHR - Ten minute or so set of ultra-harsh voice and feedback pedal noise in the 'Arsonicide' style, shockingly loud and piercing
LETTERA 22 - Set up in front of the stage in the 'chess game' position of noise, with a mass of pedals and cables between them - a great nod to the real noise underground to have this act on, sounded excellent to me
MTT - A great start with booming echoing crashes but then it drifted into more ambient soundtrack music which didn't hold my interest too well
JFK - Three-piece noise rock with drum machine and backdrop of 'Caligula', I think they played both sides of the Fourth Dimension 7", nostalgia in a way but very enjoyable set
BLACK SUNROOF! - Gordon from Cindytalk in usual barmaid outfit vocalised over guitar and violin skree from Voltiguers, he got some trancey verbal rhythms going, as odd a performance as you could hope for
GRUNT - The most stylised and perversely 'conventional' industrial/PE act of the night did as brutally as could be expected, with masks and grim backdrop film, a hugely well-received set
ESPLENDOR GEOMETRICO - I was not expecting to be dancing at this night! Great infectious squelchy hard techno rhythms, I really loved this
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - A four piece with Gary, Sarah and Frank on synths and feedback making the set live while the grand master did his wonderful nipple-tweaking, drooling, scrapbook-licking thing repeatedly bellowing 'Sex Offender Boyfriend' - I was glad to see things got a bit lively at the front during this
Hugely enjoyable night and very nice to see so many friends and enemies old and new. Does anyone know the story behind the guy who had carved a bloody 'X' into his head? In a room full of nuts (the bands most certainly included) this man won the prize.
Who the hell is LETTERA 22?
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 06, 2012, 09:26:40 PM
Who the hell is LETTERA 22?
Some young Italian (I think) noise duo, they were good.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 06, 2012, 09:26:40 PM
Who the hell is LETTERA 22?
for as much time your on the internet how could you not see this name being thrown around...
this project has been doing really great stuff. http://letteraventidue.bandcamp.com/
the lettera 22 cd on ljud & bild is excellent.. one of the duo is also behind kam hassah and label second sleep.
going back to the topic.. anyone knows if the audio of the sets is being recorded by the organization? I can imagine harbinger sound releasing a few chosen ones on vinyl or maybe a cd boxset retrospective of the fest... would be nice.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 06, 2012, 07:39:29 PM
Does anyone know the story behind the guy who had carved a bloody 'X' into his head? In a room full of nuts (the bands most certainly included) this man won the prize.
Ha ha, he certainly stood out. His tinted glasses made him look even creepier. It looked pretty nasty deep cut as well.
I won't go through every act as there were quite a few. These are some that I liked-
SEWER ELECTION / TRERIKSRÖSET - superb way to start the evening. Short set but lovely brutal noise, I need to buy some albums from these two.
CON-DOM - haven't heard loads from this project but really enjoyed it, the last track when Mikko was helping out was the best.
RAMLEH (power-electronics set) - Great end to the first day, very impressive set.
KLEISTWAHR - Hadn't heard anything from this project and was very pleasantly surprised as it was amazing. Would have bought the two re-issued LPs but spent all my money on the Ramleh boxed set.
LETTERA 22 - I was really looking forward to these guys and they didn't disappoint.
GRUNT - my favourite act of the whole festival. Mikko with help from a friend (forgot to ask which artist he is), good video made up of filmed sections of collages (like the Special Interests #7 cover). Great vocals with the other masked man scratching the hell out of some sheet medal. Such a good set.
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - I remember seeing them back in 2007 I think supporting Wolf Eyes and me and my brother found it very amusing then and it's still quite amusing now. I just can't take it seriously when Mr Best is licking his fingers and rubbing and tweaking his nipples.
TOMMI KERÄNEN - Quite a short set but he didn't need much time to show that he is amazing at what he does. Need to get more releases from him.
RAMLEH (rock set) - I've heard the Switch Hitter and this set sounded much better and they started with the last track from Valediction which I love. Mr Best on vocals for a couple of tracks which worked really well as they weren't so over the top and he didn't keep putting his hand down his pants.
Overall a great few days which was made even better with the superb Unrest night the day before.
Quote from: Tenebracid on May 07, 2012, 02:58:52 AM
going back to the topic.. anyone knows if the audio of the sets is being recorded by the organization? I can imagine harbinger sound releasing a few chosen ones on vinyl or maybe a cd boxset retrospective of the fest... would be nice.
Don't know about audio being recorded, I hope so. There was one guy who was filming a lot of the sets (just one stationary camera on the side of the stage).
Consumer Electronics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o8bg4LUEr0
Esplendor Geometrico
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVRmAsmXwZU
Quote from: Si Clark on May 07, 2012, 03:01:07 AM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 06, 2012, 07:39:29 PM
Does anyone know the story behind the guy who had carved a bloody 'X' into his head? In a room full of nuts (the bands most certainly included) this man won the prize.
GRUNT - my favourite act of the whole festival. Mikko with help from a friend (forgot to ask which artist he is), good video made up of filmed sections of collages (like the Special Interests #7 cover). Great vocals with the other masked man scratching the hell out of some sheet medal. Such a good set.
Everybody I've talked to has championed Grunt as the best act of the weekend. Sounds like something I'm sad to have missed, the "helping-hand" was Mr. Jaakko Vanhala
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 06, 2012, 07:39:29 PMHugely enjoyable night and very nice to see so many friends and enemies old and new. Does anyone know the story behind the guy who had carved a bloody 'X' into his head? In a room full of nuts (the bands most certainly included) this man won the prize.
Wasn't on the festival, didn't read the thread yet, but I saw this guy also on the Anenzephalia gig last year in Gent. Think he's Dutch.
Quote from: KHH on May 07, 2012, 11:34:47 AM
the "helping-hand" was Mr. Jaakko Vanhala
Ah right, he was very good. Thanks.
OT but be sure to obtain the recent CD Album on Freak Animal, it's fantastic. Noise at it's finest
Quote from: KHH on May 07, 2012, 02:23:37 PM
OT but be sure to obtain the recent CD Album on Freak Animal, it's fantastic. Noise at it's finest
Feral Earth? If so, yes I have the tape and it's superb! I need to get the 3-way split tape that's out but need to wait until I get paid as I spent a lot of money this weekend.
Quote from: Ashmonger on May 07, 2012, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 06, 2012, 07:39:29 PMHugely enjoyable night and very nice to see so many friends and enemies old and new. Does anyone know the story behind the guy who had carved a bloody 'X' into his head? In a room full of nuts (the bands most certainly included) this man won the prize.
Wasn't on the festival, didn't read the thread yet, but I saw this guy also on the Anenzephalia gig last year in Gent. Think he's Dutch.
yes he is, really nice guy indeed.
How many in the audience, and what capacity did the venue have?
I'll combine Thursday Unrest event with this, even if it isn't related to fest - but as attender, I experienced 4 days.
Unrest event Thursday 3rd.
Venue was pretty good. Hall capacity of probably 100+ people, small - but real stage making possible to see performances. Video projection, decent PA system. There was pretty good crowd. 80+ I believe? Making it appear popular, yet not claustrophobically packed.
S.T.A.B. Electronics started and suffered from technical problems. Vocals often not audible and while video and sound itself kept audience fairly entertained (assuming harsh gay fisting and such are your cup of tea!?), the visible confusion and endless attempts to get tech work, was reducing the impact of set.
Luckily all this was gone when Hal Hutchinson took the stage. Flawless, intense, rich textured metal junk noise. With ear-plugs on, it appeared kind of old days TNB'ish wreckage wall, but with ear-plugs off, you could witness extreme high pitch fierce distortion layer piercing through your head in finest tradition of old Incapacitants live assaults.
SHIFT has been increasing their live presence with additional members and the industrial tech. 3 masked hoodie thugs with extensive smoke and strobe light inferno created very good dark atmosphere, which would walk hand in hand with brutalizing bass loaded industrial sound. Rhythms, occasional metal junk noises, aggressive vocals, deep synth pulses.. Good stuff, and most certainly sets Shift closer to bands like Sunn o))), Genocide Organ or such, than the "grunge noise" of jeans and t-shirts jumping around.
Iron Fist Of The Sun had teamed up with the man behind Cities Prepare For Attack. This was possibly the best IFOTS show? Additional guitar drone/noise provided good "humane" element to cold and piercing electronic signals and rhythmic pulses.
All bands stood apart very different from eachother, and being the currently active forces - with recent impressive LP/CD releases on their discographies, it was good to see they pulled near flawless sets one after another.
Friday -4th, Broken Flag event
SEWER ELECTION / TRERIKSRÖSET had the pleasure to start the set. Swedish noisemongers had set up two tables on the floor, in front of main stage. It took merely few minutes to SE to trash his equipment to state of abrupt end of sound. Treriksröset continued alone. Sound together was great. With SE dropping out, volume dropped to... hmm.. half? And therefore it took few moments to catch up. Just as the sound was reaching the blissful noise, Carlsson jumps on the table and ends the set. Treriksröset was highly distorted and grainy harshness, while SE element was more active and wild movements. They complimented eachother perfectly and therefore would have been nice to see noise continue as duo little bit longer.
LE SYNDICAT has drifted from their old days so far to the broken beats and DJ cd turntable scratching that I have hard time associate them with the phenomenal early tape material. Without doubts, the amount of details and textures was huge, yet for my own tastes, the digital scratching and extensive beats was not what I want to hear. I heard few fellow Finns like it, though.
CON-DOM is Con-Dom! Perhaps one of the only bands, who could actually authentically pull out set, which is not only total Broken Flag era, but not a nostalgia trip, but accurate view to Con-Dom's approach still today. Get Right With God! Jesus Penis! How can you go wrong? For those who expect massive blast of heaviness or such, it should be understood it's hardly possible when the approach is the loop tapes, walkmen playing hissing old tapes etc. It is the grain, lo-fi crudeness and intent what makes it superior.
SKULLFLOWER. Some people said it was crap. I disagree. I liked this much more than any recent CD's. Massive live sound complimented the material very well. First part with drums and all was dark and good sounding stuff, but even more the long drone piece of feedbacks, violins, voices, etc. Simply sitting down and being buried in flow of sound made in trance inducing experience. It may not offer the violent rush of climatic noise burst, but being able to calm down and focus on the sound is rewarding. More noise of solitary experience than fistbanging moshpit kind of stuff.
RAMLEH power-electronics set.. seen some of them. And this is the best yet. On the negative side, it was way too long and while for example recent "guidelines" mCD gave just perfect 4-5 min track lengths, live set consisted pieces extended over significantly longer periods. With extensive chaos-pad woosh woosh, they were at weakest, with Anthony's mayhemic bass noise storming, at their best. Vocal performance remained introverted or should I say flegmatic? Often clumsily changing from clean vocal mic (loud in mix) to distorted/effected vocal mic (barely audible) over and over and over and over again. Tall man standing behind table, reading lyrics from papers, sometimes looking as if he forgot or ignored there is perhaps 400 people watching this. It was good, but also question remains how good? Remove one crucial element (be it LOUD sound or boost given by legendary status) and feelings could have been entirely different.
Saturday 5th, Broken Flag event
KLEISTWAHR. What was just said about Ramleh above, could be said about Mundy's solo. Man standing behind the table, reading lyrics from papers, doing surprisingly clumsy moves of sound. You could think that recording the set with walkman and listening at home - without doubt - it would be very neat raw PE. But when clarity of massive PA and the stage presence is entirely different situation, it was ok, nothing more nothing less.
LETTERA 22 in other hand was much more than ok. Should it be said: brilliant? These two Italians know their business and they can handle their gear. No confusion, no looking notes and guiding papers, both live sonics and processed tapes. Their technical performance was beyond my understanding. I could not fully understand the method how mixer was connected, yet the tricks performed with volume slides etc created very unique results. On surface level one could file it as mix between field recordings and harsh noise, but Lettera 22 is the band to keep eye on. It's beyond the regular routine harsh noise production lines.
M.T.T. from Italy started well. Some kind of string instrument close to citra or such created neat colossal rhythms and the introduction of sample strings and classical elements didn't ruin it. But closer to end, especially with amusing moment when between tracks DJ hits some background music and artists yells "wtf?!?! I'm still playing!!!!" distracted from the mood.
JFK belongs to the primitive industrial metal meets "noiserock" type of bands. Anthony known from Ethnic Acid, Ax, Ramleh etc was leading one of the loudest pieces on festival. Drum machine playing easy rhythm while basically riff-per-song approach slow bounding heaviness continued for pretty long set. From all the more rock'ish sets, this was one of the most successful. Certainly miles above of shameful clumsiness of upcoming Ramleh rock set..
BLACK SUNROOF! was Cindytalk + Voltiguers? So, in other words, some drag yelling near vocal-poetry vibe non stop sing/talk/yell/chanting while Bower handles the guitar feedback/bow droning and violing player stands motionless screeching minimal drone/screech from her violin. I found this very enjoyable set all in all.
GRUNT
My own set consisted pretty much just new (unreleased/unheard) material, with exception of "Fucked By Steel", but also that being alternative version compared to one heard in "Ritual Of Mortality" live tape. Grunt has played shows with assisting members before, but this was first with Jaakko Vanhala. Hoping to have time to make proper studio versions of some of the tracks what only exists in form of live & "rehearsal" tapes.
ESPLENDOR GEOMETRICO. Wasn't sure if I was going to like the techno set during festival, yet this was great. It was long, but I was mesmerized by two guys blasting the militantly aggressive loops/beats with additional industrial noises and occasional vocal performances. Even if sometimes looking like two DJ's (one sometimes with headphones on) in action, there was energy and joy on stage what was absent in many of the weaker bands sets.
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS certainly was not one lacking stage energy. "We are Consumer Electronics and you are bunch of fucking CUNTS!" and so starts the set of fierce electronic sound created by DiFranco, Mundy, Best and some girl. Consumer Electronics is a theatrical show. It's sometimes hard to say if it's really a "noise show", but rather a sleazy and demented theatre of lowest urges. Nipple twisting, lip licking, appreciation of male physique, licking scrapbooks of little girls, energy filled vocal performance of well written obscenities. I heard someone criticize CE isn't really "angry", he just pretends to be so. I wonder was this meant to be "angry"? I have my doubts. To me it seemed more of intensity, sleaziness and abusiveness. Not about someone being angry. Most definitely among the top sets of entire festival!
Sunday, 6th, Broken Flag event
TOMMI KERÄNEN suffered little from brief soundcheck. Like on every day, soundchecks simply delayed. I managed to catch his soundcheck and it was intense as fuck. Unfortunately the gig itself started very well, but remained on that level. It didn't catch the climax of things sparkling restlessly to all directions. I personally think there was nothing really wrong with what he did. It was most definitely among the top noise shows of weekend, but the stage action showing confusion, pulling random cables from chaotic gear table, not being able to get few pieces to work and facial gestures showing more of disappointment than extacy, was perhaps only real flaw of set! Richly textured and brilliantly busy dense harsh noise would satisfy anyone, yet bleak disappointment of performer will instantly effect the experience.
I Tommi didn't have any proper reason to feel show disappointment, VORTEX CAMPAIGN most certainly would have had! What a terrible gig! One guy playing crappy rhythm loops and other noodling shitty guitar sounds. I have seen many bad shows in my life, but this was bad. Thinking of scale and profile of festival, even the veterans should have some sort of proof they can pull shit together at least on tolerable manner.
PUTREFIER set sounded more like he has been doing as Mark Durgan. Synth pulses, oscillations, plib/blob type of "academic" stuff which took a long time to really get up into more busy and textured form. Never loud, but eventually it got proper form. With such "quiet electronics" approach, I feel the sit-though gallery environment would be more suitable. In hall filled with drinking noise fans, it gets buried in people talking and impatiently waiting when show really starts.
SIGILLUM S was one of the things I waited in horror. Their "comeback" albums has been so diverse, there could be almost anything coming. But it was good! Charisma of vocalist was very strong and deep (although digital) synth/drum machine/keyboard tones made this cinematic ritualistic atmosphere. Digital keyboard "modulation" was horrid, but thanks to horns, vocals, video projection etc Sigillum S simply delivered one of the top sets of fest. I'm sure it may have been too "gothic" for some.
GIANCARLO TONIUTTI used room differently than others. PA speakers were not only on stage, but also both corners at back of the room. He was in mixing booth (not on stage), creating full surround mix of sounds. It was highly noisy and rumbling, but also with metal noises and other physical sounds (although played from pre-recorded sources). Best choice was to stand in exact middle of room. Panning and surround sound was unique.
I enjoyed the fact that CLUB MORAL brought their performance art act to fest. Of course that IS the Club Moral, but perhaps people who listen their albums may expect just "band playing". No. It was most of all performance piece with electronic musical elements as little side-note. Judging merely on musical achievements, it was not memorable, but charisma and physical action carried it so much further than flegmatic and distant anti-performances.
RAMLEH rock set was atrocious. I remember loudly explaining the superior qualities of old Ramleh rock 7"s and greatness of Switch Hitter 10" outside before the set. Trying to "defend" the band from doubtful opinions. But when the band played, what a high-school music class jam it was! I could not believe how they (read: drummer) could simply fuck up simplest song structures. Removing the layers of guitars/feedback etc, stripped down to one guitar, bass and drums (+ PB occasionally providing vocals/electronics) it revealed the bare bones of material. It was hard to get excited of band what barely was able to keep some lazy 3 chord "riff" based song together. I watched almost entire set, but had to give up simply of being embarrassed behalf of the group. In front of audience of this size, it was unforgiven failure. If it was bunch of 15 year olds at their school party, situation would be different. Thinking mostly the same crew managed to do JFK, CE and Ramleh PE set decently made it very weird.
Last band was THE NEW BLOCKADERS and I have slightly hard time thinking what exactly to think about it. In some ways, I liked it more than purely playback oriented 2003 show I saw in London. Now 3 guys doing live noise and stage full of weird metal junk. Masks, suits and ties, full set of absurd actions... but was all this weirdness and incoherent chaos intentional? Some of the sounds and moments were brilliant, yet it was so much about seemingly drastic technical errors and unplugged gear/objects, that many times set just stood still. Sound what just was perfect in finest tradition of TNB, suddenly transformed into merely goofing in middle of stage with unplugged metal junk. Elements like guys reading magazines on stage, while equipment played itself, seemed conscious anti-performance. But the search of why gear appears to be mute, or what line goes to what piece of equipment... pfff.... I mean, I may be wrong, but if there is people with equipment, with possibilities of soundcheck, with decades of know-how, how come they don't execute it with intensity and determination? This set was all the time on the edge of being potentially one of the finest noise shows ever seen, but on the other side of that edge is the "ok,... fine". It is unfortunate that it simply didn't get to harness the phenomenal sounds and energy of 3 man line-up into something what matches TNB recordings at their best.
all in all:
I salute the organizers for this massive task. Pete, Gary, Steve, all the others involved. Once in a lifetime kind of thing, and I literally watched everybody from start to finish (With exception of rock Ramleh), not even allowing too much of beer blur the perception.
Venue was good, I didn't mind the delays. Everything got played and most often catched up the schedule.
Ramleh "awake!" box looks killer. Vinyl On Demand CD re-issue of Broken Flag box seemed to be crucial to get material in hands of wider audience. Bunch of other items from various labels. Con-Dom "have complete faith" CD, JFK double LP, Kleistwahr tapes pressed on LP's... ahhh.. !
Also, not to forget to give strong compliments to unrelated thursday Unrest night, which in my own, and several others (whom I talk to) opinion ranked in quality right there with BF saturday night, well above friday or sunday. Showing that we ain't depending on legends and heroes of genre, but there is active new forces bubbling under, which deserve your attention just as much - if not even more - than the ones who gained their status 20-30 years ago.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 07, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
fierce electronic sound created by DiFranco, Mundy, Best and some girl
Heh, I see Sarah already reacted to 'some girl' on her tumblr. As for the seriousness or otherwise of CE performance, it's pretty much simultaneously serious and comedy in my opinion, just like The Fall - and Philip is the perverted Mark E Smith.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 07, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 07, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
fierce electronic sound created by DiFranco, Mundy, Best and some girl
Heh, I see Sarah already reacted to 'some girl' on her tumblr.
"Anything That Moves", is that hers? I'm looking for her comment can't seem to find it...
Quote from: RyanWreck on May 07, 2012, 11:58:06 PM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 07, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 07, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
fierce electronic sound created by DiFranco, Mundy, Best and some girl
Heh, I see Sarah already reacted to 'some girl' on her tumblr.
"Anything That Moves", is that hers? I'm looking for her comment can't seem to find it...
http://sarahtrotsky.tumblr.com/ is hers
Well, not meant as offense of course. Just acknowledging presence of.. well, some girl, probably better than not mentioning her involvement at all. I hardly remember most peoples names, unless I can connect it with specific activity they do.
Ramleh rock - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgiZyUkDb8
The New Blockaders - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CqV_qd-YXs
Yikes, Mikko wasn't kidding about the Ramleh rock set...
TNB performance sounds great though, wish I could've been there.
Ramleh rock set sounds great to me, of course taste in music is a very subjective thing. Can't wait for the album of this stuff.
I believe they also played 'Caligula' yesterday which I guess Philip would have done vocals on.
Quote from: rottingmouth on May 08, 2012, 02:52:53 AM
Yikes, Mikko wasn't kidding about the Ramleh rock set...
That online sample was the early part of set when it was still rolling pretty well. It's was the next thing they played which went so bad, they had to stop - in moment when Philip had already entered front of stage to do vocals, and had to walk on side of stage to wait band gets some sort of order to everybody playing different time/tempo/style... Don't see that happening much anymore.
I did like the Ramleh at No Trend fest. Same drummer back then handled his part well enough.
Part of CE set:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o8bg4LUEr0&feature=relmfu
of course sound doesn't do justice for live situation. One thing I forgot to mention, I was very glad to hear it has moved further from "time-stretch" Whitehouse type elements. Now CE is much more back to being real band, than something people may associate as "whitehouse spin-off". Sex Offender Boyfriend!!!
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 07, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
all in all:
I salute the organizers for this massive task. Pete, Gary, Steve, all the others involved. Once in a lifetime kind of thing, and I literally watched everybody from start to finish (With exception of rock Ramleh), not even allowing too much of beer blur the perception.
Venue was good, I didn't mind the delays. Everything got played and most often catched up the schedule.
Also, not to forget to give strong compliments to unrelated thursday Unrest night, which in my own, and several others (whom I talk to) opinion ranked in quality right there with BF saturday night, well above friday or sunday. Showing that we ain't depending on legends and heroes of genre, but there is active new forces bubbling under, which deserve your attention just as much - if not even more - than the ones who gained their status 20-30 years ago.
Many thanks for a fair review, without licking one's boots, though, as I guess, many of those artists are your close friends. I was going to be there but I lost determination, and more and more I come antisocial unit... I hope too that fresh blood in OUR music can change bad atmosphere which is connected to so called "stars"...
Ramleh's rock set was a mixed bag. The low point was "Say Fuck" which was when the drummer needed Gary to "conduct" him after failing to find his feet.
But there were high points before and after this too.
Thanks for the report !
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 07, 2012, 09:22:31 PMVinyl On Demand CD re-issue of Broken Flag box seemed to be crucial to get material in hands of wider audience.
Do you have more informations about this ? I guess it'll be available online soon ?
Quote from: parapluie on May 08, 2012, 11:33:52 AM
Thanks for the report !
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 07, 2012, 09:22:31 PMVinyl On Demand CD re-issue of Broken Flag box seemed to be crucial to get material in hands of wider audience.
Do you have more informations about this ? I guess it'll be available online soon ?
Second Layer stall had CD version of this for £50 and some copies of the vinyl version (just box, not with all the extra bag/shirt stuff) for £75. There were quite a few releases that got finished just for that weekend so should be available from other places pretty soon hopefully.
@ Mikko, the Grunt set that you and Jaakko did was truly exceptional. Along with Lettera22, Tommi and a couple others you were the highlight.
Quote from: Si Clark on May 08, 2012, 12:08:16 PMSecond Layer stall had CD version of this for £50 and some copies of the vinyl version (just box, not with all the extra bag/shirt stuff) for £75. There were quite a few releases that got finished just for that weekend so should be available from other places pretty soon hopefully.
Ok thanks, that sounds great. Hope it wasn't an event-only reissue!
No, don't think so. I asked Pete about it and I think he said it was a reasonably large edition so hopefully it will be around for a while.
yeah, it's VOD release what I believe is officially upcoming in near future. All stuff is as digipaks and packaged in larger, nearly square shape box. (I guess c. 13 x 13 x 10 cm or such) This release was made due BF box was so popular, so I doubt they did small edition. Looks nice.
Ramleh "awake" box looked total amazing. It's like 10" size box, with 2 digipak CD's, poster, extensive booklet etc. Didn't grab any copies yet, since was so close of overweight anyways. Hoping to get them via mail soon.
Also related is TOTAL's CD (previously tape on BF) on Turgid Animal. Hoping to get it soon.
for those who care :
NEVER SAY WHEN:
never been to this venue, public transport was easy, the sound was good. nice. Loved the white trash brawl on saturday lol the all-girl (neo?)folk band on sunday etc LOL
first of all, i REALLY hate having not seen SEWER ELECTION/TRERIKSRÖSET, letting them play while 50% of the crowd was still waiting in the line at the door/on the stairs, passing security, handling the tickets etc was not a smart move, BUT ....this was the only thing i really hated :LOL: an event like this is HUGE to pull together, and for that matter everything went rather good i think.
what i did see (not everyone unfortunately) :
-LE SYNDICAT : completely moved from analog buitism to digital structures, just like the lp on Rotor....and i liked it. Structures but not 4/4 party beats.....scraping, clanging, drilling, but all sampled. Good sound & dynamics. crisp. a very good start for me
-CON-DOM : he's the master, 100% Con-Dom, 100% enery/tension. top class!
-Skullflower : heard it, didn't care (never really listened to them before). next!
-RAMLEH (pe set) : i kind of liked this huge wall of throbbing synth, it triggers something in me, but set lasted to long & lost a lot of it's energy near the end. but not bad at all!
-LETTERA22 : the lp blew me away, but only saw the last bit. very good!.....keep an eye on them!
-M.T.T. : was completely unknown to me.....didn't care. the huge soaring synth lines reminded me too much of Bad Sector. next! ......i think i saw some really fake karoake knob-twisting too......
-JFK : loved the Sexodus 7", this was completely same territory. 1 riff per song, heavy. liked it very much! Curious about the 2xlp they released....
-BLACK SUNROOF : wtf was this pseudo-avantgarde-crap? .....i'm probably not smart enough to 'get it'. crap. utter crap.
-GRUNT : this was legendary! took the stage hostage, delivered. would not have mind seeing them 2x that weekend ;-) perfect mix of noise/electronics, live junk, vocals. great backing film : this is how it's done people!
-ESPLENDOR GEOMETRICO : i love EG....and they did it again, pumping, energy, hypnotic, new tracks, old tracks, antique track, slammers like Hemen Nago etc ! good to see stuff like this is possible.
-CONSUMER ELECTRONICS : more throbbing Ramleh-synth-walls, & with Best entertaining the crowd. certainly not a Whitehouse-version. indeed not angry, but sleazy.
-VORTEX CAMPAIGN : some guitar & knobs improv doodling. very weak imho......next!
-PUTREFIER : i get he's very proud of his Bugbrand modular........pointless synth noodling. next!
-SIGILLUM S : i waited a loooong time to see this, they changed a lot,.....but man, WHAT A GIG! it takes an effort to recreate the surreal/occult vibe of older recordings in an almost digital setting. but it did work! imho the singer was great, low, alien vocals. top!
-GIANCARLO TONIUTTI : live-mix of fieldrecordings. sounded very good! could have done with a video.....
-CLUB MORAL : finally did a ddv-amvk line-up, instead of the usual 'band' formation.....and intantly its not music, it's performance, and that's the whole point with CM. great set imho. ddv gave the best of himself. ........look, Black Sunroof was art-wank.....this was real !
-RAMLEH (rock set) : weaker than JFK for shure.....but not too bad.
-TNB : noise performance. liked it very much. imho the whole 'what goes where, gear not working etc' was a part of it. i laughed. this was fun like live-Smell&Quim fun. perfect headliner for me.
.....also went to Unrest :
-STABelectronics was suffering from a lot of tech problems. video kept us focussed. ;-)
-Hal Hutchingson : great set of endless layers of looped junk & some live scraping. a thick layer of sound, but very relaxing to me. top!
-SHIFT : each time i see him/them live it's another level. a thick layer of menacing pulsating electronics & vocals, brainrattling bass. he should've played at the Broken Flag-event. very solid work.
-IFOTS : first time for me, very promissing clear, piercing, fresh.....but i expected more somehow.
......venue was fun, sound was good. the dj's did a great job, if Francesca spinned some stuff after the sets this would've been some party. maybe next time ;-)
i had a blast in London & needed it, but stuff i don't want to see for a year from now on : kaospads, monotrons and Sun O)))-shirts&hoodies........OVERKILL lol
Any footage of Sigillum S set?
club|debil's flickr set from the festival: http://www.flickr.com/photos/club-debil/sets/72157629641066608/
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/club-debil/sets/72157629641066608/)
...and a couple of pics of the Grunt show below:
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(http://s15.postimage.org/em1uzaynr/P1050011.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/em1uzaynr/) (http://s18.postimage.org/udy98nls5/P1050014.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/udy98nls5/) (http://s18.postimage.org/i0lf1qw3p/P1050034.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/i0lf1qw3p/)
Grunt looks very impressive with 2 piece unit! Will we see this in Helsinki?
There were a lot of chaos pads in use. Not my thing. Grunt put a lot of things, that in my mind are wrong, right.
I hope Steve and Pete did well out of this. Even if much of it was not to my taste they carried out a mammoth task and for that I wish them all the possible success and more.
good to bring a Sherman lol.......imho impossible to handle live ?
CLUB MORAL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LT1IdU6ouo
THE NEW BLOCKADERS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78TQsHScLcY
If I am allowed to spread scurrilous gossip here, and hey, why change the habit of a lifetime: I know just how drunk members of CE got late on the Saturday, which may explain the sloppy Ramleh rock set on Sunday - not just the drummer's fault!
are the GRUNT rentboys forced to wear the same mask and is it a sub mask?
its been fun to read the different opinions on the performances here and on the other site. seemingly very different takes on the same thing.
I saw a little clip of hals show on the tube, sounded cool but one guy said it was mostly looped? and that there wasnt much physicality going on which is something I associate with junk meditation.
Quote from: kettu on May 09, 2012, 06:12:14 PM
are the GRUNT rentboys forced to wear the same mask and is it a sub mask?
its been fun to read the different opinions on the performances here and on the other site. seemingly very different takes on the same thing.
I saw a little clip of hals show on the tube, sounded cool but one guy said it was mostly looped? and that there wasnt much physicality going on which is something I associate with junk meditation.
Yeah - that was me who said that. He just seemed to press "play" then occassionally scrape some metal and stand back drinking a bottle of lager whilst watching his backing video...not terrible but when compared to TNB a few nights later it retrospectivley looked a bit crap.
Quote from: P-K on May 09, 2012, 05:43:53 PM
good to bring a Sherman lol.......imho impossible to handle live ?
Jaakko Vanhala trademark filter! Then again the man has the mental overview to handle a bloody space shuttle in a live situation
Seeing as the Unrest tribe were so kindly invited to this thread:
Dominant Male Hooded Brute Force from SHIFT over London 3/5/12
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7075/7166769564_d891a19e29_z.jpg)
And STAB ELECTRONICS
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Photose were taken by Karolina Urbaniak and tampered with by me. IFOTS and HH pics as and when I find them.
Quote from: youngnosh on May 09, 2012, 06:58:39 PM
Quote from: kettu
I saw a little clip of hals show on the tube, sounded cool but one guy said it was mostly looped? and that there wasnt much physicality going on which is something I associate with junk meditation.
Yeah - that was me who said that. He just seemed to press "play" then occassionally scrape some metal and stand back drinking a bottle of lager whilst watching his backing video...not terrible but when compared to TNB a few nights later it retrospectivley looked a bit crap.
I have mixed feeling about such things. When I think about metal junk, I think about physicality, BUT, when I start to really wonder, how exactly should you physically play loops?
I'm sucker for good metal junk loops. Some of such stuff I can listen for hours and hours. And to make that on stage, and look interesting, is probably hard. Unless there is some kinetik art on stage - some sort of machines, rotating objects etc, which create "loops" physically, it's really hard to create loops that would be more than pushing few buttons of sampler, loop pedal or recording of tape loop.
That 29 seconds clip of Hal's set hardly gives good document of the entire 30min+ show. What I sensed was, that his physical noise scraping/banging got looped always as integral additions to playback. Something new he did, started to re-appear and loop on top of old sounds? Or did I just imagine?
While in case of TNB show, they had burst of playback materials arriving in near random doses to give extra textures to live havoc, in HH case live noise was the random textures over the solid backing material. With both artists, it blend pretty well in mix. While TNB trusted in stage action and absurdity and kind of loose randomness, HH was just noisemaker with result of sonically solid monolith. No performance, no real stage presence.
I have no Real complaints, but it's very true what youngnosh said: Someone drinking lager and standing in corner watching his own backing video doesn't look very impressive live action. It may be necessary sonically to be able to step away from gear to allow certain "noise meditation" to take place (as opposed to throwing things around sporty activities breaking the oppressive "minimalism"), but it ALWAYS looks lazy to me, if someone can't wait few dozen minutes to drink/eat/smoke/whatever AFTER the show. Even doing absolutely nothing appears better than spending time on stage with drinking beer and watching clock - things you see to happen once in a while.
Consumer Electronics was probably only band who can make art about drinking on stage. With all the water spilling, gargling and erection simulating bottles, it's integral part of sets visuals / action. Not lack of it.
In my own set, there was no "playback tapes". Couple source sounds was used from tape by Jaakko among live sound source. Each song was possible to control on level of each sound element, yet to make many sounds appear more physical than pushing few buttons and twisting knobs, is hardly possible.
Reason for first 5 minutes of Grunt set being low volume, was some sort of confusion. Unlike some bands doing extensive soundchecks and having kind of "normal gear", lots of channels for different instruments etc, in my case it was just one mono cable out put. In quick soundcheck mono out was taken from aux, while for set I actually changed it to phones out, so in case where output to main sound desc would be too loud and result glitchy sounds (like some bands had especially in soundchecks which resulted the decision), I could easily adjust the output volume without touching individual tracks or master volume which would affect recording the set or level of saturation: As usual I used 4-track tape deck as mixer, since it's good piece for crispy overdriven noise sound which doesn't start clipping, merely distorting. However, it sounded at first there was clipping in sound indicating too loud output towards main stage mixer, and I turned down volume in assumption that soundman understands to turn his output back up as it should be. Since it really was just one mono channel which volume he needed to keep at max. I guess I didn't explain it well enough, so he must have though beginning is meant to be very low. It was meant to be low, but not THAT low and for that long time. It took few minutes for 2nd layer Pete to go tell him crank volume up. Unfortunate lack of punch for start, but I personally rather listen quiet noise than glitchy clipping...
For Kettu: only master masks. I do have great sub masks at home, with neat eye/mouth pieces. They may look better with all sorts of extra pieces hanging, but etiquette dictates they can't be used. At least if you're into "old school etiquette", not just contemporary kinky pervs wearing whatever looks nice.
For MT: We're intending to play set quite close to this for Helsinki 25.5. Some changes will appear and different PA/amps may result some changes too.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 10, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
Consumer Electronics was probably only band who can make art about drinking on stage. With all the water spilling, gargling and erection simulating bottles, it's integral part of sets visuals / action. Not lack of it.
It's great, funny and sleazy showmanship, just like when Lou Reed simulated shooting up onstage in the 1970s. Of course he got lots of practise in Whitehouse who became increasingly theatrical towards the end. Not every live performer can have the stagecraft of a Lady Gaga or Axl Rose, but especially when you are on a stage the size of the BF Festival rather than playing in a squat or basement it really does help to have some ideas towards performance skills. Lettera 22 cleverly sidestepped this by setting up in the crowd.
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great weekend! wanted to see the damien hirst exebition but couldn't get a ticket for the weekend. found some good places to eat which caused us missing a few acts..
le syndicat - saw them live last year as a 3 piece. this time just 2 guys but i didn't like their set..
con-dom - almost ambient power electronics. not the confrontational act i was expecting but still i enjoyed the show.
skullflower - i rarely listen to them at home but their live show was really good. my favorite of all the rock(ish) acts.
ramleh - first band with a really loud sound. good set but a bit too long for me and like someone said earlier, a bit clumsy at times..
jfk - i'm not familiar with their output but this was good.
grunt - first track sounded a bit weak but this set turned out to be one of my favorites of the fest. old school PE approach with enough diversity to keep my attention. would've been perfect with a more aggressive 'frontman'.
esplendor geometrico - pre-recorded tracks with added live sounds.. i think they started up the same track twice by accident but i'm not sure. nice industrial break.
consumer electronics - an impressive wall of sound but it sounded a bit too digital for me.
putrefier - could't keep my attention
sigillum s - not familiar with their recent output but liked what they did..
giancarlo toniutti - quadraphonic sound, mixing pre-recorded sounds.. reminded me of the john duncan set at the LFOM fest. very good!
club moral - great to see an 'old guy' like ddv who's not jaded doing a very powerful old school performance! personally, i think it would've been better without the introduction/explanation he started with. i thought it was great that amvk looked like somebody's mom.
ramleh (rock) - some good moments but overall just terrible..
the new blockaders - smashing up some random junk was the perfect ending for this festival..
burn one naked and nuke it!!!
I'm glad Hal didn't resort to the stage props and antics of TNB. Havoc is not a word that applies to their performance as it was so clearly staged. Slinging pieces of metal around that isn't even miced up both looks and sounds lame. Hal spared us that clownery. What he gave us was a strong and increasingly earsplitting set which built very slowly over the duration. Maybe youngnosh doesn't have the attention span it takes to sit through 20-30 minutes of something like that. What TNB gave us was a crowd pleaser with plenty of things that glistened but little else. It's silly to compare the two but if we must then I think it's so obvious that Hal pissed all over what TNB did at BF.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 01:45:19 PM
the stage props and antics of TNB. Havoc is not a word that applies to their performance as it was so clearly staged. Slinging pieces of metal around that isn't even miced up both looks and sounds lame
Well, aren't all performances staged? It's hardly a natural place to be, if anyone wants undisputed 'authenticity' in aggressive action maybe a screaming row with your husband or wife is the place to find it. A live performance is theatre, and even Antonin Artaud and GG Allin knew the limitations.
True, and some suck more than others. In my notoriously unhumble opinion I thought TNB sucked rather royally on Sunday.
I know he likes his tributes which makes him the ideal member for last Sundays panto. Bless his cotton socks.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 01:45:19 PM
I'm glad Hal didn't resort to the stage props and antics of TNB. Havoc is not a word that applies to their performance as it was so clearly staged. Slinging pieces of metal around that isn't even miced up both looks and sounds lame. Hal spared us that clownery. What he gave us was a strong and increasingly earsplitting set which built very slowly over the duration. Maybe youngnosh doesn't have the attention span it takes to sit through 20-30 minutes of something like that. What TNB gave us was a crowd pleaser with plenty of things that glistened but little else. It's silly to compare the two but if we must then I think it's so obvious that Hal pissed all over what TNB did at BF.
I think my points being missed here, the comparison to TNB is not about stage presence (which I don't think matters) it is about how much is being done live. The real point for me is that an extremely large portion of Hals sound was a loop and he seemed to put very little ontop of it, so to me it came accross as karaoke.
As for the attention span - I had a long enough one to sit through about 45 mins to an hour of Aaron Dilloways slow build,tape loop mastery where he looked like he didn't have chance enough to breathe let alone drink beer and watch a video!
OK, Hal, for not doing enough on stage, is karaoke. TNB with stage props that weren't plugged in, a backing CD and no original members, is great.
Aaron Dilloway? I saw him once. He was fading different wall like sounds in and out of each other for about 15 minutes. I suppose with the right touch it could have been alright, maybe even good. Sadly for him it wasn't. Not quite karaoke, but it certainly did suck. Maybe he was better when you saw him.
I don't know what to say to be honest...maybe you're not allowing yourself to see anything negative because you've got a product to sell and you put on the gig.
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:01:15 PMI don't know what to say to be honest
Maybe that's because I caught you with your pants down talking out of your arse.
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:01:15 PMmaybe you're not allowing yourself to see anything negative because you've got a product to sell and you put on the gig.
Chief, dislike me, my label, my festival (which was organised by someone else), my character, my woman, my house, Hal and every fucking thing about me you can think of. But when you do have a go, make sure your whinging has less double standards next time. You know, to spare yourself from looking like a numpty again.
I've read the reply but i'll say this anyway.
Sorry - i'm letting this get a little too negative. Must reiterate that I really do enjoy Hals recorded output and i'll keep going to see him because i'm sure that when he gets it right in my eyes it will be a great gig.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:01:15 PMI don't know what to say to be honest
Maybe that's because I caught you with your pants down talking out of your arse.
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:01:15 PMmaybe you're not allowing yourself to see anything negative because you've got a product to sell and you put on the gig.
Chief, dislike me, my label, my festival (which was organised by someone else), my character, my woman, my house, Hal and every fucking thing about me you can think of. But when you do have a go, make sure your whinging has less double standards next time. You know, to spare yourself from looking like a numpty again.
When I said I dodn't know what to say - what I really mean't was that I don't like dealing with unreasonable arseholes.
I "disliked" one aspect of "your" "festival" (festival??!?!) and it wasn't whinging - it was constructive criticism that wasn't exactly aimed at you anyway. Hal has already replied to what I said in a much more decent manner then you have.
Anyhow - if you want to surround yourself with yes men and get pissy at criticism then by all means - i'll shut my mouth and let you enjoy your fucking fairytale!
To all concerned Re. my performance at the Unrest event on the 3rd of May...
My plan for that show was to present the LP that Martin had worked very hard on,and that I had worked very hard on.Therefore, I presented the images that are on the LP and similar sounds, mixed in a similar way.One 'layer' of a loop/sample, the rest recorded & looped live and faded up later and gradually bring everything in. So you see, technically it is very easy to mess this up.
This was in no way about 'stage presence' or such things, but presenting sound and images together.
I can do whatever I like onstage.Drink,fuck, sleep,it does not matter, either way there would be complaints I suppose.You were not supposed to be looking at me anyway, your job was to watch the images and listen, or was that too difficult? As I said before, I was presenting the LP.I would have looked a total idiot had I been in 'scrap metal caveman' mode and not had very good sounds to back it up.
As far as I am concerned, everything went to plan,perfectly.So, with respect YoungNosh, I did get it right.
Best,
HH
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:01:15 PMI don't know what to say to be honest
Maybe that's because I caught you with your pants down talking out of your arse.
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:01:15 PMmaybe you're not allowing yourself to see anything negative because you've got a product to sell and you put on the gig.
Chief, dislike me, my label, my festival (which was organised by someone else), my character, my woman, my house, Hal and every fucking thing about me you can think of. But when you do have a go, make sure your whinging has less double standards next time. You know, to spare yourself from looking like a numpty again.
When I said I dodn't know what to say - what I really mean't was that I don't like dealing with unreasonable arseholes.
I "disliked" one aspect of "your" "festival" (festival??!?!) and it wasn't whinging - it was constructive criticism that wasn't exactly aimed at you anyway. Hal has already replied to what I said in a much more decent manner then you have.
Anyhow - if you want to surround yourself with yes men and get pissy at criticism then by all means - i'll shut my mouth and let you enjoy your fucking fairytale!
Sounds to me like you can dole out the criticism - however ill considered - but you handle the questioning of it less favourably. You're welcome to THAT fairytale.
Thanks and do come again.
Quote from: DERBUNKERRECORDS on May 10, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
To all concerned Re. my performance at the Unrest event on the 3rd of May...
My plan for that show was to present the LP that Martin had worked very hard on,and that I had worked very hard on.Therefore, I presented the images that are on the LP and similar sounds, mixed in a similar way.One 'layer' of a loop/sample, the rest recorded & looped live and faded up later and gradually bring everything in. So you see, technically it is very easy to mess this up.
This was in no way about 'stage presence' or such things, but presenting sound and images together.
I can do whatever I like onstage.Drink,fuck, sleep,it does not matter, either way there would be complaints I suppose.You were not supposed to be looking at me anyway, your job was to watch the images and listen, or was that too difficult? As I said before, I was presenting the LP.I would have looked a total idiot had I been in 'scrap metal caveman' mode and not had very good sounds to back it up.
As far as I am concerned, everything went to plan,perfectly.So, with respect YoungNosh, I did get it right.
Best,
HH
I never said it was about stage prescence at all.
With all due respect you could have walked onstage, pressed play and sat in the boozer down the road because you didn't seem to "play" much onstage...that was my criticism. I'm not expecting pantomime or theatrics but i'd expect that when I see someone live,it would involve playing MORE live.
EDIT
I think to add to this what may some up my feelings is that aside from VOMIR this is the least i've seen an artist "do" live...by miles.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:01:15 PMI don't know what to say to be honest
Maybe that's because I caught you with your pants down talking out of your arse.
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 08:01:15 PMmaybe you're not allowing yourself to see anything negative because you've got a product to sell and you put on the gig.
Chief, dislike me, my label, my festival (which was organised by someone else), my character, my woman, my house, Hal and every fucking thing about me you can think of. But when you do have a go, make sure your whinging has less double standards next time. You know, to spare yourself from looking like a numpty again.
When I said I dodn't know what to say - what I really mean't was that I don't like dealing with unreasonable arseholes.
I "disliked" one aspect of "your" "festival" (festival??!?!) and it wasn't whinging - it was constructive criticism that wasn't exactly aimed at you anyway. Hal has already replied to what I said in a much more decent manner then you have.
Anyhow - if you want to surround yourself with yes men and get pissy at criticism then by all means - i'll shut my mouth and let you enjoy your fucking fairytale!
Sounds to me like you can dole out the criticism - however ill considered - but you handle the questioning of it less favourably. You're welcome to THAT fairytale.
Thanks and do come again.
Critique of my criticism I can take - but when it's put in a childish way and you start name calling...can you blame me for reacting?
Look on the other forum - FAF disagreed with some aspects of what I said and I didn't have a go at him did I? (and that's because he put it well)
This is all off topic anyway.
That's your opinion, fair enough.
However, as far as i'm concerned it went 100% to plan, and got a brilliant response from people that came up to me afterwards, so a success I suppose.
I enjoyed it, and that's all that really matters.
HH
yeah, lets move on.
I don't think it was any HH vs. TNB thing anyways. One could easily talk about for example Giancarlo Toniutti. He had no live sound, only quadraphonic live mix of pre-recorded sounds. Could it be done more "live" ? Or was it as live as live gets? Of course it was live, since the sounds he created - even if physical origin, only exists in that form as recorded material. No substitutes, but playing them in form they exists. Same could be said about Con-Dom. It was backing tapes and vocals as usual. But if sound doesn't exists in any other form than "loop tape", how else it should be played live? It can be only played by using the (loop) tape where sound is and it is as live as it gets. Trying to find some electronic gadget to generate sound in many ways isn't different than electronic gadget that plays the sound. It's more about intent what you aim for.
Of course I must say that looking back couple years at LAFMS event, I was slightly annoyed by John Duncan set. You know, I liked what I heard, but when I saw that it really was just DJ CD players where he played one CD and then faded in the other CD and that's that... But then you think why should he bring synths or shortwave radios and push couple more buttons of something else.. and not one button of CD player and move the slide? I know it should not really affect my feelings since I liked what I heard, but how you fight intellectually against authentic gut feeling?
It is perhaps most of all aesthetic issue. You travel across the europe, and then someone plays you CD. In the end it may be only possible solution, but still the physicality of live action and the human touch in general is what makes it interesting. While you can (should?) try to detach from trivial technological issues and focus on experience as whole (-> maybe the sound you hear?), I find myself very very interested in the craftmanship and charisma of creator. That can't be separated from what comes out of speakers.
Bands can naturally explain their intentions, but if they succeeded or failed is really subjective experience which can be discussed. Artists explanation may clear confusion, but probably not change experience so much. I mean, lets say TNB member explains all mistakes, all shabbiness and all failures were intentional. What does it change? If failing is bad, I don't see much different in pretending to fail. It doesn't become absurd genius work all the sudden. Lets say STAB electronics now says his microphone problems and random glitchy noises was all planned stage show. Would it become better? I would think not. It would merely explain little bit why it happened.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 05:54:31 PM
. In my notoriously unhumble opinion I thought TNB sucked rather royally on Sunday.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 10, 2012, 07:51:12 PM
Aaron Dilloway? Not quite karaoke, but it certainly did suck.
people tend to look at a noise with different eyes and the same gig can be quite a different experience depending where you stand+what expectations one might have. standing in the back everything might be okish but standing in the first row everything is going wrong in such a rate that you cant really enjoy whats going on.Ive witnessed one such show.
if nosh was expecting something more or different I think thats fine to say in a review,especially when being fairly kind with his words.
youngnosh seemingly has the gift of patience or has dealed with shift guy before as this back and forth simmered down quite nicely without too much butthurt.
Saw a bunch of nice fest photos on facebook.
When I saw John Duncan in '89 or '90, all he did was press play on a dat deck & run a film.
What act at BF had the female on guitar & violin? Could be 2 different acts but looked like the same woman.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 10, 2012, 09:42:19 PM
Saw a bunch of nice fest photos on facebook.
When I saw John Duncan in '89 or '90, all he did was press play on a dat deck & run a film.
What act at BF had the female on guitar & violin? Could be 2 different acts but looked like the same woman.
That was either Voltigeurs, Skullflower or if there was a man in drag with them - Black Sunroof!
Really enjoyed each of them, even though Gordon "Cindytalk" Sharps vocals with Black Sunroof! took some getting used to...
Also, on a side note - there was a Ramleh rock gig last October in Leeds with Volitgeurs being one of the supporting bands.
I think Gary Mundy played synth over the Voltigeurs set and it was fantastic...i really wish i'd have recorded it as it set in my mind what to expect at BF.
Anyone know why Sutcliffe Jugend wasn't involved? They were around 30 years ago.
grunt video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyHIJCPLhO0
@ Mikko ..when you dj'd at the unrest showcase did you play a new brethren track? If not ,it is something i do not have by him!
It sounded like a killer..way more rhythmic than usual ! new album???
re/ unrest
Thank you to all attended to all acts and sound guy for being a good sport! In the true spirit of "tears royal lp" i wanted to do something unique and special for martin so i stepped out of my comfort zone.
re/broken flag
I had the daunting task of taking my 10wk old daughter and partner to london for 4 days, with all my kit and full baby kit!
As soon as i see anyone with a chaos pad it fucking spoils it for me...way too many in use , painted all the sets with the same sound! I understand why a touring unit use them (small / lightweight/ fits nicely into a rucksack) but I would rather see someone press play and have unique playback as opposed to chaos pad silly finger antics !
con-dom was the only act i saw that truly embodied the spirit of BF for me! I missed the sat night due to a colic induced family meltdown back at the hotel, so i missed grunt/jfk/ce etc
However some good stuff on show.
I did quite like ramleh's rock set... but i like sloppy guitar bands..
best part for me was catching up with folk/having a beer and moaning over chaos pads and those silly little childrens synths! ha!
some great merch on offer spent way too much even on a 5 pint curfew!
Quote from: ironfistofthesun on May 11, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
@ Mikko ..when you dj'd at the unrest showcase did you play a new brethren track? If not ,it is something i do not have by him!
It sounded like a killer..way more rhythmic than usual ! new album???
Yes, set started with new unreleased Brethren. Album is great. Lots of rhythmic stuff and very structured, but not so far from what he has already explored in 10", 7" and compilation track. I guess material was completed already last year, but still working on the details (covers etc).
DJ set consisted pretty much either unreleased or ultra limited stuff. As yet unreleased Pain Nail, Mania, Brethren, etc. with rarities of Prurient (the song recorded in my basement), Grunt etc. Perhaps cheap to play noise at end of noise show, but I thought playing something almost nobody had heard - at least in such versions - was entertaining for myself.
Club Moral kookiness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LT1IdU6ouo&feature=related
always loved/hated his vocals
Quote from: youngnosh on May 10, 2012, 10:10:05 PM
Also, on a side note - there was a Ramleh rock gig last October in Leeds with Volitgeurs being one of the supporting bands.
I think Gary Mundy played synth over the Voltigeurs set and it was fantastic...i really wish i'd have recorded it as it set in my mind what to expect at BF.
No that was Gary's "wounded elk" vocalisations - see http://thequietus.com/articles/07835-ramleh-interview-broken-flag - Black Sunroof! was a bold experiment but didn't work as well as that night did.
More reviews of festival:
http://www.theliminal.co.uk/2012/05/never-say-when-broken-flags-30th-anniversary/
http://idwalfisher.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/last-night-of-broken-flag-weekend.html
http://thequietus.com/articles/08775-broken-flag-weekender-ramleh-consumer-electronics-review
Quote[...] Grunt, who were beyond cliche with their ugly shouted vocals and stereotypical blasts of uninspired greasy noise. Meanwhile, young Finn Tommi Keränen, who appeared on Sunday, was more sedate, but failed to distinguish his sound from every "pure Power Electronics" act that preceded him, his scraped tones sounding like a carbon copy of Grey Wolves circa 1992.
! :D ...
Got to love outsider reviews. Just because you can google some info on Broken Flag does not make you a noise expert. Fuck off!
The Quietus review is really awful badly written shit, the Liminal review expressed opinions pretty well and showed passion. I realise I am very much in the minority but feel the same about the Grunt set to be honest.
I must congratulate The Liminal for the sharp observation on Tommi Keränen being a Grey Wolves rip off. Even, I who like them both, managed to miss that connection.
Yeah, what amused me was the comparison between, of all artists, Keränen, Grunt and Grey Wolves '92.
Whether something was simply deemed good or bad or cliché in the opinion of the writer is kind of irrelevant as long as it remains unelaborated and not set in context. People can like what they like.
...although I do find it hilarious that someone would criticize Grunt's vocals for being "ugly", hehe.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 16, 2012, 04:51:56 PM
I must congratulate The Liminal for the sharp observation on Tommi Keränen being a Grey Wolves rip off. Even, I who like them both, managed to miss that connection.
I must admit that this comparison beggars belief... Maybe the author confused Tommi's set with somebody elses, that's the only logical explanation I can think of. And for mentioning the horrible Ramleh rock set in the same sentence as Butthole Surfers, Stooges and Neil Young he should be publicly flogged and humiliated. Otherwise the review is fairly reasonable, even if I disagree with some parts of it. But with hundreds of people attending the event, I wonder how he can jump to the conclusion that "... I was almost certainly the only gay person in the audience for the duration of the festival." Highly unlikely, if you ask me.
Quote from: heretogo on May 16, 2012, 05:25:39 PM
"... I was almost certainly the only gay person in the audience for the duration of the festival." Highly unlikely, if you ask me.
Really ridiculous assertion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2d3h_TgU0
This is funny: "...whilst others thought it was nothing more than juvenile crowd baiting performed by an overweight man drooling onto his tits."
Quote from: heretogo on May 16, 2012, 05:25:39 PM
Maybe the author confused Tommi's set with somebody elses, that's the only logical explanation I can think of.
I think only band who could be lumped to "sounds like 92 era GW" (= Punishment LP, that is) would be Con-Dom. And even they have distinctly different styles. Otherwise I can't see that type of material being performed on the fest at all?
But I'm quite sure, that if you're 1) bald 2) finnish - you may have to suffer from certain impression some people like to have about you. I won't complain, since probably one of the major guilty ones for this, haha! But most certainly, if someone is watching to stage and conclusion is "aww, yet another bald finn youngster provocateur making copycat PE" tells a bit about nature of criticism? I mean, in case when there is no youngsters, no provocation, no PE. But again, I like to warmly remember the golden Finnish noise journalism where big cultural tabloid defined Hijokaidan as great noise and Incapacitants as juvenile power electronics singing about their cocks!
Concerning Grunt show, at least according to my standards, there was no sleaze, there was no XXX, very little of violence or actually not at all (from my perspective). Lyrically or visually. But I guess one can't avoid appearing as greasy thug under conditions, and that is actually very satisfying quality -> If past impressions have been so strongly annoying and sticky, you can't shake them off your brain, it seems some kind of unintentional success!
It's kind of blessing that in genre there is nothing to be achieved beyond personal satisfaction. I'm kind of surprised feedback was as good as it was.
There's no shame in not knowing or understanding things. There's even less shame in shutting the fuck up about the things you don't know or understand. That's a problem with the internet. Every fool can give themself a platform to put their ignorance on display.
Let The Liminal's shoddy review be his public flogging and humiliation. I was going to comment on "the only gay at the BF fest" but I think Hongkonggoolies Little Britain link summed it up rather well.
Liminal review despite the author's obvious youth is at least written with genuine passion. It's the Quietus review I really would describe as 'clueless outsider journalism'.
Quite simply, people, this is how you do this stuff.
By the end of their short set I'm grinning like an idiot on Idiot Day
Sharp's performance gives off a weird, hypnotic pull. It's beautiful, man.
By the end of their set I'm left with a previously unfelt urge to wear leather shorts and fist a leopard. It's fun, is what I'm saying.
Why do people write like this? It's an insult to the brain even trying to read this drivel.
Genuine passion isn't enough for me. A start maybe but not the finished article.
The Quietus review is awful.
We're discussing the quality level of reviews now. It's boring.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 17, 2012, 02:02:15 PMWhy do people write like this? It's an insult to the brain even trying to read this drivel.
Journalism classes. Forever part of that writing culture to colorfully say nothing at all. Rolling Stone has been doing it for 45 years. Some people consider it art or champion it as wonderful crazy. I'd rather read appliance instruction manuals.
Unlike The Liminal, The Quietus and in many cases the quite stuffy and very Northern Idwal, here is the man whose blog I do take pleasure in reading.
http://muhmur.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/lettera-22.html
http://tonywakeford.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/sigillum-s-at-never-say-when-30-years-of-broken-flag-4th-6th-may-2012/
Tony Wakeford is a genuinely funny and witty bloke. I don't know him personally but some of his posts online has had me crying with laughter. He came swanning up the stairs as I was heading out from the venue and I respectfully stepped aside to make way for his rather ample frame. I have a lot of time for him.
There was no chairs at fest. Everybody was standing.
I was standing next to stage, and there, on top of entrance of stage (short stairs) was chair with hand written note saying "Don't touch - Tony Wakefords chair".
I hope to get into position of booking private chair at some noise-fest!
Topic has been cleaned up a bit.
If you want to talk about MMA tattoos: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2278.0
If you want to talk about role of provocation in noise & pe: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2277.0
Due nature of all themes bleeding over eachother, it may appear very roughly butchered to pieces - what it is. I'm sure the general ideas of each topic are clear.
More links to pictures or live clips, more reviews/comments welcomed here!