Was just reading this article about the most expensive hardcore records:
http://www.swedishpunkfanzines.com/?page_id=386 (http://www.swedishpunkfanzines.com/?page_id=386)
Would be nice to see a similar list of noise and/or PE records.. Anybody?
One way of finding this out is to look on the list section on Discogs. They normally have list related to the most expensive items bought that month. There are usually some PE/Industrial artists on the lists. Ramleh Awake! tape box sells for loads, Sutcliffe Jugend - We spit on your graves - original tape set, not bootleg, went for about $1500 on Discogs. That will take a lot to beat. I imagine the Con-Dom special edition set of 7"s will sell for a lot. Also Genocide Organ releases sell for crazy amounts. Prurient releases can also sell for a lot but I think I think it will be artists from the 80s that are selling for the highest prices.
That heart shaped Gerogerigegege 7"? Changez Les Blockeurs?
I think the Craziest Price Hits are over in P:e, Noise and Related. There where much more insane in the Past for Original Whitehouse Lps, 7" or Tapes. But nowadays the prices have lowered a Lot. Same goes for Genocide Organ, Who would pay $1.500 for a Klan Kountry nowadays?
Apparently the remaining Whitehouse albums will be reissued on colored vinyl somewhere around next year. William said (not to me directly) that they will go to print as soon as the new Cut Hands album is released. Stocked for these news!!!
Quote from: Goat93 on November 21, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
I think the Craziest Price Hits are over in P:e, Noise and Related. There where much more insane in the Past for Original Whitehouse Lps, 7" or Tapes. But nowadays the prices have lowered a Lot. Same goes for Genocide Organ, Who would pay $1.500 for a Klan Kountry nowadays?
Bought my copy of Right To Kill for 90 euros about 10 years ago, now there's 1 for sale on Discogs for 227. I remember Klan Kountry was always very expensive so i never bought it but now i see a near mint copy on Discogs for 69...
White Hospital's Holocaust usually goes for pretty insane prices.
related, but Les Joyaux De La Princesse – Exposition Internationale - Arts Et Techniques - Paris 1937 sold for $1,400 on discogs.
SPK - Mekano 7" sold for $1145 on ebay ... Genocide Organ - Klan Kountry 7" for $1222
Don't know of anything higher than the SJ - WSOTG 10CS though
Quote from: P A N I C on November 21, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
White Hospital's Holocaust usually goes for pretty insane prices.
Does it? According to discogs I see only one sold there, for 49 euro. I know it has been ASKED a lot, but always same seller listing it for +-1 euro price changes because nobody was paying prices that was asked for.
This is common thing distorting prices. I could list almost everything what I own, and sell if I get 10x more than it's really worth. I think especially Discogs is full of such sellers. They don't want to sell, but if someone is crazy enough to pay, then why not?
If people have also "make offer" function, I have heard that someone listing item for 200 and getting offer for 50,- has sold it instantly. So maybe not all the stuff listed at high prices actually sold for that exact sum.
It's very hard to consider price of vinyl based on such circumstances. They may be most expensive once or twice, yet there are some stuff what may always remains more wanted than there are copies in circulation.
For me personally, I have paid around 200,- for handful of items that I really wanted. I guess not more than 5 items. All remaining rarity purchases I've made are 50 euro or less.
Some stuffs which sold for 200+ euros on discogs according to my account on a quick research:
Proiekt Hat "Resolution 3379" boxset
Genocide Organ "Leichenlinie" LP (first edition)
Sutcliffe Jugend "We Spit On Their Graves" 10xLP
Genocide Organ "Save Our Slaves" boxset
Merzbow "Merzbox"
V/A Zyklon B
Genocide Organ "Live Lille" LP
Mauthausen Orchestra "Gravitational Art Of Sex" 12xCS
Les Joyaux De La Princess "Douce France" 10"
The New Blockaders with Vorex Campaign LP
Hijokaidan "The Noise" 30xCD boxset
Genocide Organ "Mind Control" LP
The Sodality "Beyond Unknown Pleasures" LP (original edition)
Genocide Organ "Remember" 2xLP
V/A Heavy Electronics VHS
i recall a crazy norvegian guy outbid me on a ebay auction for the first Monde Bruits tape which went to him for 160 euros, which is insane for a tape. Another stuff which come instantly to mind is the Pain Jerk acetate 7" limited to 2 copies which sold for 500$
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 21, 2013, 05:08:39 PM
Quote from: P A N I C on November 21, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
White Hospital's Holocaust usually goes for pretty insane prices.
Does it? According to discogs I see only one sold there, for 49 euro. I know it has been ASKED a lot, but always same seller listing it for +-1 euro price changes because nobody was paying prices that was asked for.
That's absolutely true; I hadn't checked the sales history but indeed it only shows the single 49 euro sale. Indeed it hasn't (recently) been offered for anything but an insane price (I think it's always about 500) but perhaps one could purchase it quite a lot cheaper. Mind though, I have had it in my wantlist for years and I've only ever seen the ridiculously expensive copy come by. Granted, I don't check eBay regularly enough and all, but it still seems to be very hard to get a hold of.
how long ago did that copy of 'holocaust' sell for just 49 euro?! it is a really rare record (guess we can assume most never left japan?) and i've not seen it for sale enough to know of a true going-rate, but for certain, that's an absolute bargain price. i only saw it sell on ebay twice in early-mid 2000s and if i recall rightly they went for around $250-300, then i didn't see another copy for sale ever until i saw that austrian guy was trying for 'buy it now' 450 euros or whatever it was on ebay/discogs and i thought i'd go eitherway - sell straight away to someone who'd been after it for ages and had the money, or they'd never sell it for that price for a long time, if ever, and it clearly was the latter.
as these haven't yet been mentioned as three figure sum records i'll see it as my duty (!) to do so :
the hanatarashi 'the hanatarashi' LP
hanatarashi '2' LP
the gerogerigegege 'senzuri champion' LP (and 'showa' LP to a lesser extent, but can still go for three figures)
although i myself paid out big enough for 'the hanatarashi' and 'senzuri champion', i was lucky enough to get '2' and 'showa' for bargain prices similar and even cheaper to that 'holocaust' above, both bought privately (private auction and online 2nd hand record shop). some bonzas can still turn up cheap somewhere now and again, you just gotta be lucky, for instance i know of someone who snagged an original TNB 'changez' lp for GBP 60 at ultima thule mailorder in uk (they usually do more krautrock/psych sorta stuff) a few years ago, a copy of 'right to kill' sold for GBP 40 in listings in back of record collector mag, etc. incidentally, 90 euros for 'right to kill' 10 years ago was a great price.
bit of a morbid thought, but someone i know in newcastle has apparently left their orig TNB 'changez' for me in their will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i've only ever seen that one copy sell of the gero 'live at tokyo gay center' heart shaped 7" - the one that's logged on popsike. i see there's a couple of 'al jin' flexis that went for three figures too. one sleeveless still got GBP 200+. i'd have pretty much killed for them at one point!
it's probably safe to say all hanatarashi condome cassex tapes could get three figures too. again, it's safe to assume most are in japan, or if outside, with collectors who aren't gonna sell! i've never owned any of them! there was so many in a short space of time at beginning of existence too (by the way, not all early hanatarashi tapes were compiled on the 'we are hardcore!' set).
i agree the price may have fallen out of some items, but most people aren't spending as much on anything at the moment are they!
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 21, 2013, 05:08:39 PM
It's very hard to consider price of vinyl based on such circumstances. They may be most expensive once or twice, yet there are some stuff what may always remains more wanted than there are copies in circulation.
For me personally, I have paid around 200,- for handful of items that I really wanted. I guess not more than 5 items. All remaining rarity purchases I've made are 50 euro or less.
agreed on both.
So besides FA what would be the highest price the members of this forum have paid for single albums themselves?
How general is it for us to pay, say, 150 eur for a 12" ?
I don't think I ever paid more than 60 eur and even that is just for a few items. Would be nice to maybe have a separate poll or something for this, to get an easy visual of the overall situation.
The other day I bought Genocide Organ's 'Archive 1' for 65 euros (including postage) off Discogs. I think that's the most I ever spent on one record - I had the other two and I reckoned I wouldn't get an unplayed copy much cheaper.
Actually, I just checked my Discogs history, and I see I bought the Genocide Organ 'Remember' 2LP for 88 euros six or seven years ago. Considering it's been reissued, that was probably a bit foolish, but I didn't know that would happen then!
I'd baulk at paying more than 100 for an order w/ several items. That's generally the limit I have to keep myself in check, so certainly I wouldn't pay for that for a single item.
Most expensive noise items I have bought were also actually expensive items, like the Merzbox (200eu, which was actually pretty cheap) and both Box Is Stupid and Alchemy Box Is Stupid (both around 100eu). Outside of that, I haven't shelled out more than maybe 40eu for single releases. Outside of noise, I once paid 80eu for a Shiina Ringo DVD, but that's it.
Think most expensive ones where some Burzum LP's. Shortly after i bought them i got them really cheap again. So Learning esson, you get most Stuff cheaper if you wait long enough.
Got NON, Coup de Grace, Club Moral and other Tapes sometimes and 1-2 Years later the Prices on Discogs explode for these ones.
Most expensive releases I've bought:
Operation Cleansweep - Powerhungry LP - 59 euros - I remember when I bought this the exchange rate was really bad so it was even pricier than normal, but so worth it
Prurient / Nicole 12 - Love & Romance LP test press- $40 - got this from Dom at Hospital after some haggling. one of my most treasured items.
v/a - Field Tales 3xcassette - $35 or about there
most of the other pricey items in my collection I traded for, haggled down the price or waited until someone sold them for a reasonable amount.
One thing I have I'd love to know the worth of is the Masonna mic shaker-replica tin thing I have. It's from the 2008 Noise Mayday show at Namba Bears where only he played. The tin I have is still sealed in the original packaging, but I heard that if you open it it's got m&ms inside or something like that.
Indeed... I recall paying 200usd for couple Hijokaidan LP's I thought I never see.. about 2004. Then going to Japan in 2005 and see them in shop shelves for c. 50usd... pfff..
But still, when I think of price of music, it is still CHEAP compared to a lot of things. For 200usd, I can fill up the tank of my car twice. And pretty much drive nowhere. As alternative, there is LP what I can treasure for rest of my life...
Paid 300 euros for the first Minor Threat 7" + around 150/200 for a bunch of other hardcore punk 7"s like Negative Approach, Plugz, Helmettes, CIA..
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 22, 2013, 07:36:58 PM
But still, when I think of price of music, it is still CHEAP compared to a lot of things. For 200usd, I can fill up the tank of my car twice. And pretty much drive nowhere. As alternative, there is LP what I can treasure for rest of my life...
Putting record purchases into perspective it's amazing. When I used to drink I'd spend $100-200 in a night on booze alone, and not remember much of it. Buy an amazing album for $15 and again, you'll enjoy it forever. What kills me more than anything now is cigarettes are like $8 a pack on average where I live. Every pack I buy I could have bought some good tape instead :(
almost makes me want to quit :P
Someone once told me they spent $400-500 on a test press LP & my reply was "You could've bought a fucking gun!".
I don't think I've spent more than $90-100 on a LP & maybe $60 at the most for a 7". The last collector's item I bought was the OP Recht "Murderers Report" LP a few years ago for around $45 w/shipping from the UK. I paid cash plus 3-4 LPs for "Neuengamme" in near mint cond (the LPs were Twisted Village releases so they weren't worth all that much).
What's the least you've paid for a collector's item? I remember buying a copy of "Statement" from Trevor Brown for like $30 with shipping from Japan. I already had it but the price was so good, I couldn't pass it up.
$4 for Merzbow - AntiMonument PDLP (traded a $10 noise LP I'd found used for $4). From a $3 classified ad in MRR. Had good luck with MRR classifieds.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 22, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
What's the least you've paid for a collector's item?
It was 10€ for a Mercyful Fate Testpress with Info Sheet. I used it as a Gift later. Normaly went on US Ebay for Insane Prices.
Bought a Lot cheap Stuff in Metal Sector for nearly nothing and tradet it later.
Cheapest: Come -Rampton 12" for 5 euros in some shitty records store.
The most I have personally spent was 60 euro on a absolute mint copy of Genocide Organ's :Remember: original 2xLP about 3 years ago now, which i thought was an absolute bargain. That was the result of jumping on it as soon as it was listed on Discogs.
I occasionally spent around 40 euros on records, but that seems to be about my limit - particularly as the Australian $ is always lower than the euro.
However the most expensive record I have ever sold was that limited Der Blutharsch / Novy S'vet 7". To my mind it was an OK release but not worth hanging onto as a 'collectable'. Just a basic thick 7" with basic cover. Anyway I sold it on eBay a few years ago and a bidding war followed, with it being sold for 210 euro. That is absolutely stupid money for a basic 7" - but whatever people want to pay I guess.
prices i paid for the ones i mentioned were :
'the hanatarashi' lp $100 (privately the same week in 2002 that one sold on ebay for around GBP 350, but that was a one-off)
'senzuri champion' lp $130
bargains :
'hanatarashi 2' $50
'showa' lp $20!
also got hijokaidan 'king of noise' and 'tapes' lps for $25-30.
the most ever paid for any record was $150 for orig new s/s copy of vile 'solution' lp (hardcore album).
it'll be a while before i can afford anything like that for records again.
I don't think there's any individual collectible items that I've bought for ridiculously cheap money, but the best deal I've had was buying a big box of noise (25-30 items) for 50 euros that contained, among a few other things, Merzbow - Hannover Interruption, Merzbow/Emil Beaulieau live LP, CCCC - Amplified Crystal LP, Sutcliffe Jugend - We Spit on Their Graves CD + shitload of (common) stuff I didn't have yet then by Killer Big, LHD, Controlled Bleeding, Outermost, Cracksteel, Knurl, Solmania, etc. I guess nothing in there was truly 'collector's item' in the sense of fetching 100+ individually, but the value of these things together was much more than 50 euros. Also bought As Loud as Possible from the same guy for 10 bucks which I thought was a pretty sweet deal.
By a very, very loose definition of "noise", the most I've ever paid for a record was the Chrome box on Subterranean several years ago for 150 American. It is 6 LPs and typically goes for twice that, and up until this year you could only really find "Half Machine", "3rd From the Sun" and "Alien Soundtracks" as shitty bootlegs. The originals (in any capacity) had been OOP for yeeeears. Supposedly, someone has been doing fully authorized, lush reissues this year, but I've yet to see em.
On the selling tip, I have a copy of MB's SFAG which I scored in the deep South in a completely unrelated record pile for cheap. I've been unable to verify its authenticity, as by all outward appearances it seems to be the original 1981 Sterile release... If it wasn't a boot, I'd definitely want to sell, as it commands a high enough price and I own it on several other formats.
I just bought a supposedly mint copy of Merzbow's Project Frequency LP for $90 including postage. This is by far the most I've ever paid for a single release. A few years ago I couldn't have imagined spending this much on a single item, but times and circumstances change... Also, as mentioned before, it's interesting to put this in perspective. Just today I took a taxi to the airport and it cost me the same amount. So while the amount in itself does seem frightening, I don't think about it :)... And I can see myself paying similar sums again for a select few items in the future. I'll probably start with the first two Operation Cleansweep LPs (the second one almost seems downright cheap compared to the first!).
Picked up first pressing of Merciless "The Awakening" LP for 40$ some years ago, and Sarcófago "INRI" first press for 35$ around the same time. Both in great condition. Not insane bargains really, but the climate for this stuff was just as ridicilous then as it is nowadays.
Haven't made any real bargains since. On the other hand, alot of new stuff one buys gets sold out shortly after it's released, and all of a sudden the same stuff is sold on discogs for twice (or even three times) the initial price. Sure, I sometimes understand why people pay these amounts, but it fuels the whole circus. Paying 30 to 40$ for an early Vanilla Recs tape, I get that. But 30 to 40 bucks for some tape on Posh Isolation released three months ago?
I recently paid $110 for a like-new copy of Andrew Chalk's "Violin by Night" LP on Faraway Press. I think that's my new record price for one release, and believe me, it gave me pause. I can't see myself doing that again any time soon.
I remember paying $100 collectively for the first three Borebetomagus LPs back in probably 1999, which was an inconceivably high number at the time. Now, it seems like a bargain. Not longer after, the universe rewarded me for taking that plunge by turning up a copy of "Snuff Jazz" for $5.
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