This subject have been up on a number of occasions before but since I'm old and can't remember names I would greatly appreciated recommendations of new groups that takes it to a new level. Although I love all the old Broken Flag, Club Moral, Selbstmord Org (maybe not all) bands I think there have be to much focus on old bands and releases in recent years.
And if you could motivate your recommendation it would be even greater!
Two bands that have perked my interest recently just be reading about on boards are Soft Option Killing (anyone got the tapes for sale?) and Iron Fist of the Sun. I've been focusing on the Swedish scene the last couple of years and that have kept me busy but now I really would like to get my hands on some new stuff. Are the anyone that works in the same vein as IRM by the way?
updated today on FA mailorderlist:
*BUDRUS "devyniems rytams austant" cd (12.00,-) NEW
Imagine modern day IRM, but even more organic sounding with aggressive lithuanian vocal on top, amazing blend of organic drone and power electronics. Recommended!!! Digipak
Not exactly power electronics in stereotypical way, but it's hard to say what it exactly is. Instead of brutal fuzz and synth rumble, the sound is very organic one. But composition, overall atmopshere, how vocals are there... You simply can't file this to "drone", "experimental acoustic music" or whatever.
Thanks for the tip Mikko!
I listen to their myspace and it sounded really good so now you have an order... Somehow they also reminded me of Swans. Always a huge influence on Martin Bladh of IRM so in a way it all make sense.
I think the member of the project is already here on the list. Also contributor in SI #1.
I personally value very very very highly SNUFF LP. Of course, there's nothing "new" there. Same old guys responsible who have spawned some of the best Finnish noise, I guess its secret who are in project, but anyone who buys stuff of certain labels hears it immediately. But new project anyways.
MOLESTER from Japan is improving on every release. I think some of the Lust Vessel related projects are very enjoyable.
It's hard to recommend stuff to jaded veterans. When you mention some name, they might say, fuck that, SJ/Ramleh did it better. Or whatever. Anyways, for people who'd want to hear something violent and dirty PE, perhaps worth to check out later works of LIVER MORTIS. Not only being probably first black man doing PE (?), but also that he actually crushes most of the newer projects 10-0. Tape on EST would be first thing I would recommend. And then proceed chronologically to older. Oldest stuff is pretty wanky synth noise improv. so that should be last thing to get.
For more modern stuff, a'la Control or such, I think Iconoclasm from Japan (ex- Montage) is promising. We know how many japanese projects are. Not exactly on same level on non-musical substance (or it doesn't transfer to our brain due language barrier), but technological post-industrial noise/pe, for tape maniacs, very good purchase. Mastered by mr. Keränen!
And fuck me if I forget to say this: SEKTOR 304 !
Talking of Swans and all that stuff, it definitely NOT a PE project, but for industrial music, this is something I welcome into scene anytime. CD on Malignant.
I guess most stuff I mentioned, can be found on Freak Animal distro too.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 14, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
updated today on FA mailorderlist:
*BUDRUS "devyniems rytams austant" cd (12.00,-) NEW
Imagine modern day IRM, but even more organic sounding with aggressive lithuanian vocal on top, amazing blend of organic drone and power electronics. Recommended!!! Digipak
Vocalist`s of BUDRUS solo project:
POGROM"Liberal cunt" tape out on Filth&Violence Jan/Feb 2010.
dirty PE, live in studio, piercing feedback, putrid loops. When first track hits its like Lithuanian GRUNT but enough identity of its own. Raw & simple.
manic/depression"First blood" debut tape also from F&V early 2010. Lots of layers. filthy industrial mayhem. Strong vocal delivery w/variety in sound. Massive. Harsh electronics.field recordings. Impressive debut.
COMA DETOX. Raw USA PE. Kind of MANIA feeling. One tape out on his own label.
GOLDEN RAIN more Finnish fresh blood. Sleazy power electronics. slow motion. quite unusual flegmatic vocals. "Praise the Whore" tape should be still available from Molehill.
CONCRETE MASCARA From land of milk and honey. Nothing out yet(?) Keep the name in mind. feedback,cut up,loops,vocals.. quite unigue style. I have heard excellent tracks and some utter crap. I wish he would reject line-in recording method.
ABOVE SUSPICION from Åbo Another name to keep in mind, nothing out yet. Filthy junk bashing, loops,feedback,vox..the usual but done properly w/hate&lust.
Didn't Coma Detox just do 2nd tape? Don't have it, but was told by someone to make sure I get it.
FFH isn't really "new", but I'm quite sure the debut LP should kill when finally out.
Yellow Tears isn't really PE, but that "don't cry" 12" was great. More of sound collage what you could put on turntable after things like Contrastate. Just something else than super popular harsh noise.
Thanks for all the suggestions! Maybe I should make my position a bit clearer. I guess I'm at this point looking more for bands that are "not really pe" but have a similar approach. Contrastate is a band that did that. White did it live. Burdus seems to be doing the from the samples I heard. IRM is doing it and going from strength to strength.
I haven't heard Yellow Tears but I'm checking them out.
I have recollection that Pissmop LP wasn't yet as good. Don't Cry is 12" (45rpm). It was pressed only 200, so could be slightly difficult title, but luckily I think project is still pretty unknown and not very "collectable" yet. So should be fair price. My only complaint would be that pressing is not totally top quality. Surprisingly lot of surface noise, snap crackle & pop is even with 45rpm mLP.
I guess this topic could be good in use of recommending good new PE & industrial noise and related. Just good, or exceptional & creative too. And as usual, I hope listing would be focused what is really good, and what you listen to, and not who are your buddies.
I think from the ones already mentioned, I can underline: IRON FIST OF THE SUN. Not that CD would be 100% flawless milestone, but that band manages to sound totally original. His way of using synth, is strange. It's not the typical rumble & helicopter noise, but these quite unique slower patterns. And vocal sound is kind of extra sharp and with effects that at the same time heavily modify vocal sound, but leaves vocals perfectly audible and doesn't make it blurry or remove aggression. CD on cold spring = recommended!
Quote from: Strömkarlen on December 15, 2009, 09:56:28 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions! Maybe I should make my position a bit clearer. I guess I'm at this point looking more for bands that are "not really pe" but have a similar approach.
Ah, I just read that "new groups" + "new level".
There is this Finnish thing called GRUNT, which is not new, but I may recommend to check out new album if you want to hear "new approach". Money back guarantee if you can point out other album that is similar.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 15, 2009, 09:43:49 AM
Didn't Coma Detox just do 2nd tape? Don't have it, but was told by someone to make sure I get it.
I will release Coma Detox 2nd tape asap. Tapeline is working but I'm not so sure to release it this year. Most probably available in january with new works of Halthan and An Innocent Young Throat-Cutter
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 15, 2009, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: Strömkarlen on December 15, 2009, 09:56:28 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions! Maybe I should make my position a bit clearer. I guess I'm at this point looking more for bands that are "not really pe" but have a similar approach.
Ah, I just read that "new groups" + "new level".
There is this Finnish thing called GRUNT, which is not new, but I may recommend to check out new album if you want to hear "new approach". Money back guarantee if you can point out other album that is similar.
Well I named the topic New PE groups so I guess I'm to blame. Why don't you put the new Grunt CD in the package also?
Quote from: XE on December 14, 2009, 11:36:06 PM
GOLDEN RAIN more Finnish fresh blood. Sleazy power electronics. slow motion. quite unusual flegmatic vocals. "Praise the Whore" tape should be still available from Molehill.
Aye! One of my favorite cassettes of the year and one of the few things lately that honestly got Heavy Rotation....along with Sektor 304. Not PE, by any means, but mandatory industrial listening.
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There is this Finnish thing called GRUNT...
never heard of 'em.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 14, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
updated today on FA mailorderlist:
*BUDRUS "devyniems rytams austant" cd (12.00,-) NEW
Imagine modern day IRM, but even more organic sounding with aggressive lithuanian vocal on top, amazing blend of organic drone and power electronics. Recommended!!! Digipak
Not exactly power electronics in stereotypical way, but it's hard to say what it exactly is. Instead of brutal fuzz and synth rumble, the sound is very organic one. But composition, overall atmopshere, how vocals are there... You simply can't file this to "drone", "experimental acoustic music" or whatever.
Glad to see that not everything new is about "crude, filthy, brutal, back to basics" etc. The genre needs it prog rockers too. Anyway of getting in touch with the band? Who released it?
send PM to "terror". See him at introduction topic of from. Could be into trades to get this stuff spreaded out? Other guy is known from project with some CD's on Autarkeia, but I prefer this project much more.
Gaze Campaign and Karasyozoku are like walking back in time. Both tapes had me pulling out comps and lesser played albums; such satisfying listens...the kind that make you enthusiastic about digging through your own collection to maybe find a gem you missed, fiending for something new in the old. Karasyozoku is probably the better of the two, but they both sent me on a good journey.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 14, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
*BUDRUS "devyniems rytams austant" cd (12.00,-) NEW
Imagine modern day IRM, but even more organic sounding with aggressive lithuanian vocal on top, amazing blend of organic drone and power electronics. Recommended!!! Digipak
Not exactly power electronics in stereotypical way, but it's hard to say what it exactly is. Instead of brutal fuzz and synth rumble, the sound is very organic one. But composition, overall atmopshere, how vocals are there... You simply can't file this to "drone", "experimental acoustic music" or whatever.
Agree. A large amount of sounds, everything different. Sometime soft and sometime hard sound, final result is organic. By the way, how looks the digipack? I have a normal white envelope, like as a promo copy
It is six panel b/w digipack + booklet with lyrix/art.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/qprnuf.jpg)
Yea, I was completely taken with Budrus as well. Wrote my own short review here (http://plaguehaus.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=342&Itemid=1).
Quote from: TheGreatEcstasy on December 15, 2009, 09:40:50 PMGlad to see that not everything new is about "crude, filthy, brutal, back to basics" etc.
Good point.
The impression I get from their MySpace page is that there's an Extreme Metal kind of background or vibe to this, maybe they come from a Metal background?
Mmm...some nice drones there....
By the way, the link to the external website seems to be down?
shit, I just listened to the myspace things that budrus has and after 23 seconds I decided to ad it to my shoppinglist! a hint of distortion/overdrive in the vocals would make it superb.
lately ive seen possibly a few different projects get advertised as taking,pushing,developing pe into new areas( i believe this is meant as a good thing) but after I listened to the provided samples all I could hear is sterile as piss sound and some seriously shitty melodies. the melody thing is a difficult subject,possibly worthy of a thread of its own. but these lithuanian fellers, without making a spectacle of themselves manage to be very "progressive" in the best possible way.
edit: im a sucker for shouty vox in russian and all the other eastern european mongrol languages. it just sounds so lovely.
I dont have a clue of the availability or current situation but some ierophania(russia) stuff ive liked. I dont think ive heard any classics but still might be worth investigating.
Quote from: TheGreatEcstasy on December 15, 2009, 09:40:50 PM
Glad to see that not everything new is about "crude, filthy, brutal, back to basics" etc. The genre needs it prog rockers too.
This is actually why I was starting the thread to begin with. Not that I have anything against a blood drenched skullfuck but it gets a bit one sided when that is all there is.
Quotemaybe they come from a Metal background
In a way. Laurynas was in the legendary Lithuanian avantgarde black metal band Anubi since the beginning though later he quited and started his own ambient project(s). The main was Girnu Giesmes. In fact here, in Lithuania, after appearing of the demo, many people started comparing Budrus and older Girnu Giesmes even before the members of the project were unknown. As for me, I was and still am involved in black metal mostly, apart from everything else, for a decade. I don't know if that can be called metal background, but let it be.
Quotelink to the external website seems to be down?
Yes, it is down. It was the webspace for sharing the demo etc., now things need to be a little reorganized to make a place to announce the releases etc., different hostname etc., so it was taken down.
Quotehint of distortion/overdrive in the vocals would make it superb
Yes, I've heard such opinions a couple of times, but the idea was to leave the sound of voice as much untouched as possible. It's not mentioned anywhere, but voice, apart from several recording sessions in the studio, was recorded not in such usual places. There were recording sessions in various forests around Vilnius, riversides, sewers of Vilnius, we were experimenting and trying to find the natural reverb that would suit best. That would be the reason when talking about additional distortion/overdrive. Here are photos of one recording session:
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I'm quite confident that popularity of raw and harsh stuff will create answer with the opposite.
I remember when there was lots of raw harsh noise, what suddenly was replaced by some popularity to dynamic hi-fi harsh noise. There was moment when death industrial and dark ambient reigned strong. And always some wave get replaced by others.
There was that Hospital Productions compilation "like frog...." LP+7" which was aimed to be response to all the dominating popularity of "clean" and "hi-fi" noise, but when it was delayed long enough, you could view it as document of currently peaking lo-fi crude filth noise. And nowadays it would seem to be alternative to make for example compilation of progressive, ambitiously experimental, boundaries pushing PE/noise?
I think something like Brethren, is new. Listening his 10" or for example track on Audial Decimation compilation CD, it's like PE in song form, being very noisy, but with actual verse / chorus -style of compositions and structures. Something you pretty much never hear.
Strom.ec went their most progressive mode on their 3rd album that came this year. You can vaguely file it under PE, but it is just so much more. Cloama is always pushing boundaries. Like Cloama/Blutleuchte tape on Freak Animal it is their LEAST experimental collaboration (there is 3 or 4 of them) and still it managed to sound unlike anyone else. The other releases go further. Bands like Human Larvae or Xiphoid Dementia, these both CD's I would also recommend to anyone looking for more than just fierce noisy PE. They blend in many influences and create quite ambitious albums, which is not just tracks thrown after eachother, but thought out albums.
One group above them all springs to my mind, IRM!
A lot of that Budrus album is maybe something Halo Manash would do if they were a bit more aggressive. Has a quasi-classical feel to some tracks as well, almost like something Tehom could've done.
there was some horribly ;P sexist joking around in another thread so I though that some of it belonged here
pharmakon http://www.youtube.com/user/mathgrind#p/u/84/h70Wz3QNDIM http://www.myspace.com/noisepharmakon
not exactly an impressive discography and I dont have anyofthem. last thing was an ep on bloodlust. no idea how many landed in europe. it was something like 100 copies.
I would like to hear more and read that there is a split tape coming but who knows. I might even be intrested in releasing something but my budget is already tied to a mystery release in the future.
Been waiting promo for a while, she said today that sending soon. Can comment when I hear it properly. Wasn't going to get CDR from BL. Vocals are brutal. This sounds more violent than say,.. Sewer Goddess, but SG has very good things going on with sound/composition/atmosphere what you can't sense on tiny laptop speakers I have to settle for youtube clips. Recommended from SG is for example split tape with Bereft if you find someone willing to give out one of ltd 70 copies edition... I believe Malignant had SG cd coming?
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 20, 2009, 10:20:34 PM
Been waiting promo for a while, she said today that sending soon.
like a best of thingy for you as a noise nerd to listen or for fishing a "record deal". yeah definetly tell us what it sounds like and why not sell it to me after youre done with it. 4 euros, take it or leave it!!
Does anyone have more information on Urauschwitz? The Zirkuszerfall 2008 has a similar vibe to LJDLP; like sitting in a room with a ghost who is playing an old victrola - very old, dusty, distant, lost transmission feel. I really enjoyed this, and I'm hoping something even greater comes of them.
Even though I'm not too much into PE and I have no idea what/who LJDLP is, I'm still very intrigued by your description of Urauschwitz. Sounds very interesting, I may have to investigate a bit further.
LJDLP = Les Joyaux De La Princesse (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Les+Joyaux+De+La+Princesse)
I think there are many many good things in Russian scene at the moment.
Lots of bands with (shortwave) radio obsession. Lots of primitive industrial approach, lots of very lo-fi hand made sounds.
I put out Yao 91404 D release on full length CD. That goes more into harsher noise, but with broken turntable loops, static noises, kind of rhythmic and "song" feeling, not just wall of noise. But the band is known also for very very primitive releases. I could imagine like Hands To removed from hot american desert into russian basement with broken electronics and junk. Some of releases seem like un-edited live recordings with no effects or anything. While others, like Key to Abyss tape/CDR just total supremacy!
I know I have tried to turn down CDR distribution for most part, but just waiting for shipment from Russian, because some of these obscurities are too good to be simply ignored due format. I just wish more labels would be ready to invest money on LP or CD by some of these bands. Freak Animal's Yao 91404 D has perhaps not been a bestseller, but considering it their first full length CD, and most cdr's and tapes were ridiculously small editions, I'm sure they'll be noticed later.
See example of descriptions:
QuoteANTI-VERSTAND Song Like Wind CD-r
ANTI-VERSTAND - side-project of YAO 91404 D - is pretty known among adorers of Russian Noise due to tapes released by YAOP and a couple of CDR re-releases made by Abgurd and Fight Muzik. With "Song Like Wind" the project introduces absolutely new and fresh point of view on its Art. The first recordings of ANTI-BRAIN were on the verge of boundless madness and unprejudiced aural challenge, while the new album appears to be more expressive, strict and catchy, burning with romantic-totalitarian lunacy of the best works by YAO 91404 D, e.g. "Heroes of the Coal Age" and "Key to Abyss". Love-poetry of soviet-era, disco-songs, accompanied by a captured metal impress, soviet-era variety art, rough and rigid feedbacks, concorporated into percussive ritual noise loops and abrasive distorted tapes emerge monumental piece of art.
I did have two masters of Yao, but I finally after about 1 years of consideration and multiple listens, finally decided to reject the other one. For two reasons basically. First of all, there was perhaps too many soviet hymns, which in one hand were very good, crackling damaged vinyl. But, it was about half of playing time of album not longer than perhaps 35 minutes. Rest of the album was very thin and delicate radio static. Nearly approaching the purity of white noise, but sometimes it would be "composed". It would change from static hiss to another. It was pretty amazing as conceptual piece, but as "noise album", lacking.
Just like I mentioned before, I see a lot of very interesting bands popping up here and there all the time, with probably no label offering proper deals.
Not really sure if it belongs here:
but the Nightmares 7" really did it for me. Not to open a can of worms but in a way i see this as post-power electronics or maybe just a route to take after a dozen or so albums about strangulation...