Meaning, proper drum kits (jazz/rock set-up, kick snare toms cymbals) played as proper drummers do (sitting down, with sticks) - what noise/industrial has been recorded with it? Where you actually hear (more or less) the actual acoustic sound of the drums? Not drum machine or sampled rhythms or percussion, but drums in themselves.
MACRONYMPHA - "Baroque" being one where the drums add a lot to the overall sound. PRURIENT used it, on "Black Vase" I think, maybe on other recordings. On the PESTDEMON tape "The Natural Destroyer", one track features drums. SHIFT has performed with drummer live in Finland, a recording of which has been spread online.
There must be many more, mustn't there? Any recommendations?
Sword Heaven is kind of like a combination of noise/industrial and drums.
wolf eyes?
You got Sword Heaven from USA. They had allot of releases out a few years ago, some of them very good. Check out the "Entrance" album on Load, very intense stuff. Does anyone know if they split up or something?
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/116/254098150_ee7280768d.jpg)
Raising my own tail, Gentle Evil. Extracts from the split lp here (http://www.verdurarecords.com/sound/gentleevilpymathon/gentle_evil.mp3).
Dorchester Library
Death Unit
Hair Police.
Sword Heaven is, at the moment, on hiatus. Their drummer Aaron is living in India for a few years. They are great.
Don't know if it qualifies as Noise but the Vegas Martyrs album was great.
Quote from: Henrik III on August 05, 2010, 05:03:34 PM
Raising my own tail, Gentle Evil. Extracts from the split lp here (http://www.verdurarecords.com/sound/gentleevilpymathon/gentle_evil.mp3).
More info?
Rainbow Blanket. They're stuff is not very available though. There may be some live video floating around youtube?
Quote from: pt on August 09, 2010, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: Henrik III on August 05, 2010, 05:03:34 PM
Raising my own tail, Gentle Evil. Extracts from the split lp here (http://www.verdurarecords.com/sound/gentleevilpymathon/gentle_evil.mp3).
More info?
Janne Tuomi (also playing in Circle, Rakhim, quite a few jazz and pop bands, percussions for classical music etc.) playing drums and me (aka Keränen) doing noise. We have performed since 2005 (altho we played first time together in late 90's, probably 99) quite rarely due to fact that Janne tends be a fairly busy dude. The split LP (http://www.discogs.com/Pymathon--Gentle-Evil-Split/release/1057988) with Pymathon is the only release so far. I'm personally very happy about the record and it is a bit pity that it has been fairly sparsely distributed outside Finland.
Air Conditioning, Black Pus
flying testicle
I don't know if all qualify as "noise"? It's up to debate which qualifies as noise. I think opening message suggest more harsh and unmusical thing. Not bands where recording technic just makes their music sound noisier? Not improv/free jazz type of stuff which almost always includes percussion of some sort.
I recall Vegas Martyrs and Airconditioning being good, but more of... hmm.. what should it be called? Perhaps not noiserock yet?
My personal favorite in drum/band instrument noise is Gerogerigegege "Senzuri power up". It's not "abstract" harsh noise like Macronympha, but really brutal. It is often steady beat of rock'n'roll drums, and then just fierce noise over it. With amazingly loud sound. It's not their "noisecore" recordings. Nor the concept anti-art.
Early Merzbow, of course!?
I used to have a tape called, i think, KIBBUTZ (wrapped in tissue-paper with red stains, like someone had had a nosebleed...) that was improvised noise with free form type drumming. Back when it was a duo. From what i recall Merzbow did a few more recordings like this in the 80s. Pretty cool, but not as intese as later stuff.
And going by what´s said above, there´s lots of "noisy" free jazz stuff with drums, but mostly not using electronics for rest of sound but rather usual instruments, and often with more "musical" passages as well. These days this is something i personally enjoy very much, like the stuff on FMP, Brötzmann etc. "machine gun" is a classic, it even has TWO drummers!
Jesper Forselius (BLOD) did a solo recording under the name Shrine (private CDR in a numbered ed of 21 cps) in 1999, which was a 20+min track of solo drumming, basically a non stop barrage of fast drum solo mayhem. I always thought of that one as harsh noise using only a standard drum set as instrument. It is rather heavy listening, but your mileage may vary depending on how much interest you have in "clean" drum sounds.
I have asked Jesper if he would be interested in seeing this reissued somehow, but no reply.
Here is a download with some live noise with drums. It was a CDr on my label, but it's almost sold out so I don't mind people downloading it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?myzhmnyikzo
edit: fixed.
Some 90s Hijokaidan specifically the Fourth Dimension 10" uses drums, but so distorted that you can't hear them as drums (or the gtrs and voice as anything other than a wall of noise) - possibly the band was playing a song of some kind but put everything through so many effects that it became great noise - I know of other noise musicians who have worked this way, you don't have to use just a table of effects pedals feeding back or a fucking laptop!
QuoteI don't know if all qualify as "noise"? It's up to debate which qualifies as noise. I think opening message suggest more harsh and unmusical thing. Not bands where recording technic just makes their music sound noisier? Not improv/free jazz type of stuff which almost always includes percussion of some sort.
yes, incorporating "musically" played drums in unmusical & harsh settings; improv stuff is interesting and might be good but not what I'm looking for. but I appreciate the many recommendations, will look into them. especially the Japanese (gerogerigegege, hijokaidan, merzbow). it's always interesting when discernible beats/rhythms (of what oyu hear is a proper drum kit) struggle their way through a thick cascading wall of noise and shit; drums as the only (intelligible) musical element.
Quotehow much interest you have in "clean" drum sounds.
the drums I used on the PESTDEMON tape were recorded with a cell phone lying on a floor tom, edited via tape. sounded completely horrific. which is fun because the drum kit must be worth about 3500-4000 euro at least, two snares, a thousand cymbals etc. that recording Jesper did sounds interesting.
Quote from: pestdemon on August 11, 2010, 05:52:16 PM
the drums I used on the PESTDEMON tape were recorded with a cell phone lying on a floor tom, edited via tape. sounded completely horrific. which is fun because the drum kit must be worth about 3500-4000 euro at least, two snares, a thousand cymbals etc. that recording Jesper did sounds interesting.
Is it the Natural Destroyer tape from Utmarken? I listened to it yesterday, when the drums came in I thought of this thread.
No mention of the latest incarnation of Bastard Noise??????
Quote from: Nyodene D on August 06, 2010, 04:10:39 AM
Sword Heaven is, at the moment, on hiatus. Their drummer Aaron is living in India for a few years. They are great.
The other guy made it sound like they were pretty much done, since he'll be gone for so long. This really sucks ass; I've missed them both times they came here, once by only 45 minutes... :(
Quote from: hannes on August 12, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
Is it the Natural Destroyer tape from Utmarken? I listened to it yesterday, when the drums came in I thought of this thread.
that's the one yes. this thread came in when I thought of those drums.
Endon , from Tokyo :
http://www.myspace.com/end0n
great and mean live action
Also from Tokyo , superstar band October Revolution :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9e-pNIwowQ
Cracksteel on electronics , Yoshinori Mochizuki on bass , Hiko from Gauze on drums , Kubota from Slight Slappers on vocals ..youtube videos don't make them any justice - they put up one of the best noise shows i ever saw !
also Torturing Nurse from China had drums in the past , Hijokaidan style .
Some of my own Splinter Vs Stalin tracks feature live drums , as our vocalist is also a quite good drummer . A couple of times drums were used in live show as well .
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on August 11, 2010, 04:35:46 AM
Some 90s Hijokaidan specifically the Fourth Dimension 10" uses drums
Quite a lot of Hijokaidan uses drums, from '79 on to at least 2006 - most of tthem live recordings. The assorted Antiknock sessions are favorite. One of the very few groups who've consistently pulled it off imo.
Honorable mention ought to be made of Nihist Spasm Band, grandpappies of noise (or, any rate, of noise-hillbilly hoe-down).
Actuary: http://www.myspace.com/actuarysound
Quote from: treebeard on August 12, 2010, 06:57:21 PM
No mention of the latest incarnation of Bastard Noise??????
I think left unmentioned due to it being more "full band with noise" than "noise with band backing".
Plenty of my stuff. The last song in this three part video, we kill them all-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scu5o60FHG0
Clandestine Operators-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pd071wFiKU
I recently saw Merzbow play with Balazs Pandi on drums, it was an amazing show. The drums really added a different flavour to it and they seemed to feed off of eachother really well.
Incidentally Balazs is also guesting on my next album for Ohm Resistance.
Urine Cop.
Members of The Endless Blockade (drums) and Winters In Osaka (noise). Super lo-fi.
I've enjoyed getting some recommendations from this thread.
Locally (southern Ontario) I've seen a few acts that play with drums and it is always interesting to me to watch and kind of perks my interest more than seen pedal pushing and knob tweeking (not that there is anything wrong with that) I enjoy the physicality of the drums and the large array of sounds you can get out of the kit. Multiple drummers are really great to watch!
Playing with drummers is a treat, personally I've just mostly stuck to free jazz and drums stuff.
Hamilton, Ontario locals Slut Mouth doing their non music music guitar drums thingy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5PshWDYSac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5PshWDYSac)
Sword Heaven is a given. Simply astounding.
Seconding Urine Cop. Thems my boys.
Ratatosk from Chicago has a bit of a free jazz vibe. Improvised harsh electronics and drums. Chaotic.
The album "Beaches and Canyons" by Black Dice has a nice amount of drums/electronics work.
Always looking out for this kind of stuff. Drums and noise is a very cool combo.
Robedoor is not really considered noise / harsh noise but they have used drumming a lot lately especially on the Pagan Drugs 7".
This band is know more for there drones but as of the newest materials released you can hear and see this band growing not just staying where they always have. Good topic!
What about heavier industrial music, with proper drum rhythms? A recording of SHIFT performing live with Fleshpress members (guitar + drums on top of regular Shift rumble) has been circulating... Without turning "industrial rock" (whatever you define that as...!).