Pe artists that explore the ideas of Faith?
Never managed to get hold of any Blackhouse, and if im honest they came off very bad when reading interviews with them.
Con-dom always perplexes me about his (or lack of ) faith.
Any pointers to other artists ( barzel/ koufar/ martyr im very well acquainted with)?
Great topic. I've always found IRMs lyrics and themes to be most interesting.
Quote from: ironfistofthesun on January 19, 2011, 08:44:33 PM
Pe artists that explore the ideas of Faith?
Never managed to get hold of any Blackhouse, and if im honest they came off very bad when reading interviews with them.
Con-dom always perplexes me about his (or lack of ) faith.
Any pointers to other artists ( barzel/ koufar/ martyr im very well acquainted with)?
Question is: faith or religiousness?
there is plenty of anti-religion sentiment in pe..
but quest is for artists that are unashamed and celebrate their faith and of their religious heritage.
I guess Barzel qualifies.
drone lebanon. the split with wertham is worth checking out.
koufar is lebanese but that countries struggles are thick with faith based conflict.
im not sure of the other projects on topheth prophet but that label seems to do some religious based releases.
Mental destruction are extremely Christian.
Quote from: Bereft on January 20, 2011, 01:44:50 AM
Mental destruction are extremely Christian.
I also thought about them, although they´re not exactly pe.
By the way, sometimes I am a bit confused about their Christianity. For some reason it seems like "shock value" - or maybe it´s just me trying to accept the idea of enjoying a christian band, hehehe
Koufar is Maronite Christian.
I'd reccommend the 1st Barzel CD, would love to hear the second.
Blackhouse seem super cheesy to me...
Quote from: UGRA on January 20, 2011, 02:08:51 AM
Quote from: Bereft on January 20, 2011, 01:44:50 AM
Mental destruction are extremely Christian.
I also thought about them, although they´re not exactly pe.
By the way, sometimes I am a bit confused about their Christianity. For some reason it seems like "shock value" - or maybe it´s just me trying to accept the idea of enjoying a christian band, hehehe
Oh have faith in me when I say they are sincere in their believes. Nothing about shock or anything like that. They played a big Christian festival in USA called the Cornerstone Festival put on by Jesus People USA.
Quote from: Strömkarlen on January 20, 2011, 07:30:39 PM
Oh have faith in me when I say they are sincere in their believes. Nothing about shock or anything like that. They played a big Christian festival in USA called the Cornerstone Festival put on by Jesus People USA.
If I remember correctly, the Durling brothers grew up in Ethiopia with their Christian missionary parents.
Quote from: WATERPOWER on January 19, 2011, 08:58:59 PM
I've always found IRMs lyrics and themes to be most interesting.
I did an interview with Martin Bladh back in 2001. On the question whether or not he considered himself a religious person, here's his answer (translated from Swedish):
- I believe in molecules and atoms, not in heaven or hell. The metaphysical and religious can certainly be fascinating, but when I talk about crucifixion and martyrdom it is metaphores for personal fantasies, not any dogmatic prophecies about apocalypse.
Quote from: post-morten on January 20, 2011, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: WATERPOWER on January 19, 2011, 08:58:59 PM
I've always found IRMs lyrics and themes to be most interesting.
I did an interview with Martin Bladh back in 2001. On the question whether or not he considered himself a religious person, here's his answer (translated from Swedish):
- I believe in molecules and atoms, not in heaven or hell. The metaphysical and religious can certainly be fascinating, but when I talk about crucifixion and martyrdom it is metaphores for personal fantasies, not any dogmatic prophecies about apocalypse.
Thanks for that. Makes it even more interesting now. Definitely clears things up, as I had read this article a long time ago which seems to reference a different article which says something different...: http://musicfortherestofus.blogspot.com/2007/06/irm-oedipus-dethroned.html
Quote from: WATERPOWER on January 20, 2011, 10:29:21 PM
Thanks for that. Makes it even more interesting now. Definitely clears things up, as I had read this article a long time ago which seems to reference a different article which says something different...: http://musicfortherestofus.blogspot.com/2007/06/irm-oedipus-dethroned.html
The article referenced by that blog is almost certainly this one, http://www.angelfire.com/goth/irm/interviews.html, which is just a load of fabricated bollocks. That entire IRM site is a mock-up by "friends" of the band.
Quote from: Strömkarlen on January 20, 2011, 07:30:39 PM
Quote from: UGRA on January 20, 2011, 02:08:51 AM
Quote from: Bereft on January 20, 2011, 01:44:50 AM
Mental destruction are extremely Christian.
I also thought about them, although they´re not exactly pe.
By the way, sometimes I am a bit confused about their Christianity. For some reason it seems like "shock value" - or maybe it´s just me trying to accept the idea of enjoying a christian band, hehehe
Oh have faith in me when I say they are sincere in their believes. Nothing about shock or anything like that. They played a big Christian festival in USA called the Cornerstone Festival put on by Jesus People USA.
Thanks for the info, that´s really interesting. The connection between christianity and noise / industrial / power electronics (and even metal / punk / whatever) always seems out of place for me, anyway.
Quote from: post-morten on January 20, 2011, 11:17:17 PM
That entire IRM site is a mock-up by "friends" of the band.
Yes, it is and despite several attempts to have it removed it´s still there to our disatisfaction. The ones responsible (our "friends") for the site in the first place doesn´t seem to remember the login and password. And without them it´s unfortunately impossible to do anything about it.
With that said I´m asking all who might see this fake page. Please ignore everything that is on there. Don´t use quotes or any information, cause it has nothing to do with IRM and our "believes".
Mikael - IRM
The only thing I've heard from Mental Destruction was a comp LP track & it was one of the best on the record. I think it's "Ohrenschmaltz" (SP?).
for those curious about Mental Destruction, I recommend checking out Straw. Industrial.
To me that album sounded theoretically very good, but actually my ears & brain get very irritated from a lot of things sounding as having negative effects of computer manipulation of the time. Talking about slightly older album, when PC probably wasn't yet good enough to use for music... They sample good sources, but everything has slightly annoying quality in them. Of course, been ages since I listened it (sold cd away), so maybe someday should re-check.
I think best moments of the band is in live situations, when their positive gospel metal approach seems more visible? From smoky stage lighted by powerful spotlights, appears guy with long puffy hardrock hair, furiously moshing with the bounding industrial sounds. You don't see that very often!
I have a couple of Vinyls by BLACKHOUSE who I always assumed were a Joke.............however some of the material is of very high quality..........its just that when you listen to the lyrics they come across as STRYPER on bad drugs.
Quote from: Kristian on February 13, 2011, 04:07:37 PM
I have a couple of Vinyls by BLACKHOUSE who I always assumed were a Joke.............however some of the material is of very high quality..........its just that when you listen to the lyrics they come across as STRYPER on bad drugs.
For me "5 Minutes After I Die" album is one of the best ever. Old school industrial mixed with power electronics - I didn't listen better such mixture as it.
obviously XE. the KKK is nothing but a protestant sect.
Quote from: pontifx on February 26, 2011, 04:06:57 PM
obviously XE. the KKK is nothing but a protestant sect.
Not really.
Quote from: pontifx on March 12, 2011, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 12, 2011, 11:48:10 PM
Quote from: pontifx on February 26, 2011, 04:06:57 PM
obviously XE. the KKK is nothing but a protestant sect.
Not really.
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I should have been more clear. I disagree that XE has any sort of relation to faith in the project. If so its certainly not reflected that clearly.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 13, 2011, 12:11:31 AM
Quote from: pontifx on March 12, 2011, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 12, 2011, 11:48:10 PM
Quote from: pontifx on February 26, 2011, 04:06:57 PM
obviously XE. the KKK is nothing but a protestant sect.
Not really.
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hehe for sure not. my comment was quite sarcastic.
I should have been more clear. I disagree that XE has any sort of relation to faith in the project. If so its certainly not reflected that clearly.
Sarcasm is for snide fucks.
I mean what I say.
go and cry elsewhere.
what about satanism? has that been explored?
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on April 22, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
what about satanism? has that been explored?
Jonathan Briley comes to mind, not sure if he was a Satanist exactly but he quotes from LaVey's Satanic Bible. Think he's a Zen Buddhist or something now.
The theoretical notion of sincere believers making "christian power electronics" strikes me as about as dubious as "unblack metal":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unblack_metal
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Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on April 22, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
what about satanism? has that been explored?
Jonathan Briley comes to mind, not sure if he was a Satanist exactly but he quotes from LaVey's Satanic Bible. Think he's a Zen Buddhist or something now.
does he just go by his name or does he have a project name?
He does releases as Johnathan Briley
Quote from: Litharge on May 03, 2011, 08:48:08 AMThe theoretical notion of sincere believers making "christian power electronics" strikes me as about as dubious as "unblack metal"
P.E is a good genre for making people uncomfortable or frankly disgusted, and you can fight something - Sin, in this case - by describing it in such an intense manner that people get uncomfortable or disgusted.
There is new episode of Noisextra with mr. Lockweld, who got religious awakening during difficult times. He discusses it with detail, plus also things like how people get pissed off merely from someone mentioning being christian. Mentioning how it barely is anyones business when he is not moralizing nor attempting to convert anyone.
In some subcultures, issue may be easy, or complex, but I'd guess within industrial culture, it merely awakens further questions, like what does it even mean. What kind of values, for what reason. Overall, one would think that contemporary "alternative music circles" may be more drawn towards the negative traits of christianity than devout christians are doing.
https://www.noisextra.com/2024/09/04/in-conversation-with-steve-meketa-lockweld-apartment-213-meketa-power-electronics/
With years i realize i am 'jealous' of the believers, meaning i wish i could believe.
You can decide to believe. Eventually, your heart will follow your will.
One favourite theme right here, which continues to fascinate me to no end. It´s the same with militant/war stuff - I´m hardly a "militant" person, but there are some aspects of it that just get in my head in varying ways. Like with religious mentality which mostly abhors me, but when it comes to certain images, visions and execution of power, divinity and so on, I´m all in... but not that interested in artists´ personal beliefs.
Brethren's Kingdom Coming is about Christian Zionism.
Projects like Terror Cell Unit, Herukrat and Koufar immediately come to my mind in terms of PE & faith, but I might be wrong about the way each deals with such topic. Scatmother's Sadotantra and Vivikta albums also come to mind.