Quote from: Johann on January 27, 2026, 06:48:23 PMQuote from: Wainhouse on January 25, 2026, 06:17:04 AMMy mailbox waits for Untitled 11. In the meantime, I had a thought: are there any zines about the internet? Opinions if so?
Not related to noise, but specifically to the question at hand. I recently came across a book called "the Internet and everyone" by John Chris Jones that is about early Internet (Jones was born in 1927, and started writing about these ideas as early as the mid 50s) it's an extremely fun and readable book attempting to show the Internet as it was then in 2000.
This is his website if your looking to get an idea www.publicwriting.net
You could also read about Cybernetics which does have some historical cross over into the world of early electronic/experimental music
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On topic I think the Internet as source material has existed since it became a dominant source of content in our lives and was purposely obscured because it may have been seen as taboo in earlier years due to the fetishization of analog sources and content.
It has only been in the last few years I've seen an open acknowledgement of sound sources from stuff such as YouTube etc and mentions of recording to IPhone etc...
Regarding content specifically about internet it seems like some Jilat was doing back in the time on Chondritic Sound forum, I personally was uninterested in his projects and perspectives since he was doing a lot of seemingly computer based extremely long form stuff that might be classified as "pure noise"...I can't honestly speak to if my impressions time time are right or wrong in hindsight as I don't know if he still is involved in sound or the community.
I can't get the link to work, unfortunately... but I am curious about the book. Thanks.
As far as cybernetics go, I'm always interested to learn more about early electronic/experimental music - any suggestions?
Yes, there is something incredibly unsexy about YouTube, or at least that's my gut reaction, such that I wouldn't advertise my work as featuring "YouTube found audio" the same way I might tease "found secondhand Dictaphone recordings". This isn't to say you couldn't find great material on YouTube, but rather that you might not boast about it. There's nothing particularly seductive or exciting about YouTube - quite the opposite for me, as there's nothing I hate more than being surrounded by a milieu of bullshit.
The fetishization of analog sources doesn't mean anything on its own. It's not like paying homage to the medium of tape will immediately produce good work, nor is it the case that sampling from the internet would produce bad work. It strikes me that the internet is just a very uninspiring and unsexy topic, at least most of the time, especially nowadays. Perhaps I'll have more to say after Untitled #11 hits my mailbox.
