Neofolk

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Commander15

Quote from: DrRichard on October 17, 2024, 08:39:27 AM
Quote from: Commander15 on October 16, 2024, 10:39:44 AMIt is more rooted in industrial culture and hauntological considerations than party politics.

A very classy way of saying "The Reich lost the war, the Aryan world empire will never happen, I'm going to sulk while strumming my guitar instead of trying to save what can be saved".

Weird interpretation of my actual words, but ok.

Cranial Blast

#91
Quote from: Commander15 on October 17, 2024, 09:05:45 AM
Quote from: DrRichard on October 17, 2024, 08:39:27 AM
Quote from: Commander15 on October 16, 2024, 10:39:44 AMIt is more rooted in industrial culture and hauntological considerations than party politics.

A very classy way of saying "The Reich lost the war, the Aryan world empire will never happen, I'm going to sulk while strumming my guitar instead of trying to save what can be saved".

Weird interpretation of my actual words, but ok.

Haha yeah...weird interpretation indeed. I gathered your point was that neofolk belongs to Industrial rooted beginnings, which I also agree and the culture and aesthetics are more esoteric than any political spectrum of concerns or sorts in the grand scheme of things. Where "your words" on the matter turned into a interpretive pity party for the 3rd reich, I find a bit lost and or a misguided interpretation, perhaps that is this individuals own interpretation and of course that is fine too, but certainly didn't find that stance of the genre to be the opinion of your own, based off previous comment.

Cranial Blast

#92
I think if there was any sort connotation to any sort of right wing/fascistic type of leanings to neofolk it wouldn't be in this sentiment of poor me, low self esteem loss of "what could of been." I'd say if anything it would be a proper stronger sense of resurgence, or a re-awakening and a bringing fourth a new interest to a new generation to build such an enthusiasm that it could inspire such a grand re-awakening of a renewed occult interest, rather than some bitter our team lost the battle and now we're going to cry about it with acoustic guitars. When I think of a band like Death In June, I think their message comes across as pagan unity, to me, I sense if it's anything to do with right wing in it's sentiment, is that it's about bringing us back together and re-grouping our ideals and shaping them in different ways and recognizing our ingrained truths and finding those commonalities that belong specifically to us as "European blooded" type and celebrating those ideals that are specific together as one. I don't find this miserable bitter type of attribute, perhaps telling of past a tragedy, done musically in a melancholic fashion, but not being performed in a defeated sense, but in an uplifted way to inspire, learn and to grow from. Instead of wallowing in our defeats, we learn from them to be inspired and to become more clear and sharp in defending what is sacred to us or what it is we think is so near and dear and by using such stripped down primitive type of music to convey such a primordial emotion works very well at conjuring such deep rooted sentiments from within.

DrRichard

Then my loneliness closes in
So, I drink a German wine
And drift in dreams of other lives
And greater times

burdizzo1

Quote from: DrRichard on October 18, 2024, 08:19:31 AMThen my loneliness closes in
So, I drink a German wine
And drift in dreams of other lives
And greater times


Funny you should choose that quote. I'm pretty sure "drinking German wine" was English slang for gay oral sex.

Actually, my original comment - along the lines of 'I was surprised there wasn't more of a market for neo-folk, considering the rise of the right in Europe' - was supposed to be a little facetious. Of course neo-folk is not party political (since nearly all the 'artists' see themselves as above politics in that sense) and is certainly esoteric, etc. Nevertheless, national romanticism and cultural pessimism are at the core of it. Doesn't make it remotely 'Nazi', of course.

PSYWARRIOR84

Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: DrRichard on October 18, 2024, 08:19:31 AMThen my loneliness closes in
So, I drink a German wine
And drift in dreams of other lives
And greater times


Funny you should choose that quote. I'm pretty sure "drinking German wine" was English slang for gay oral sex.

Actually, my original comment - along the lines of 'I was surprised there wasn't more of a market for neo-folk, considering the rise of the right in Europe' - was supposed to be a little facetious. Of course neo-folk is not party political (since nearly all the 'artists' see themselves as above politics in that sense) and is certainly esoteric, etc. Nevertheless, national romanticism and cultural pessimism are at the core of it. Doesn't make it remotely 'Nazi', of course.
It's well known that Douglas is gay but I think those particular lyrics are literal and not some gay innuendo. Is Operation Hummingbird English slang for a homosexual fellatio party? I hope not because that album is next level, like a mix of Death in June and Der Blutharsch; psychedelic martial noise folk.

DrRichard

Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: DrRichard on October 18, 2024, 08:19:31 AMThen my loneliness closes in
So, I drink a German wine
And drift in dreams of other lives
And greater times


Funny you should choose that quote. I'm pretty sure "drinking German wine" was English slang for gay oral sex.

Actually, my original comment - along the lines of 'I was surprised there wasn't more of a market for neo-folk, considering the rise of the right in Europe' - was supposed to be a little facetious. Of course neo-folk is not party political (since nearly all the 'artists' see themselves as above politics in that sense) and is certainly esoteric, etc. Nevertheless, national romanticism and cultural pessimism are at the core of it. Doesn't make it remotely 'Nazi', of course.

Man, I'm just fucking around too

burdizzo1

#97
Quote from: PSYWARRIOR84 on October 18, 2024, 07:28:53 PM
Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: DrRichard on October 18, 2024, 08:19:31 AMThen my loneliness closes in
So, I drink a German wine
And drift in dreams of other lives
And greater times


Funny you should choose that quote. I'm pretty sure "drinking German wine" was English slang for gay oral sex.

Actually, my original comment - along the lines of 'I was surprised there wasn't more of a market for neo-folk, considering the rise of the right in Europe' - was supposed to be a little facetious. Of course neo-folk is not party political (since nearly all the 'artists' see themselves as above politics in that sense) and is certainly esoteric, etc. Nevertheless, national romanticism and cultural pessimism are at the core of it. Doesn't make it remotely 'Nazi', of course.
It's well known that Douglas is gay but I think those particular lyrics are literal and not some gay innuendo. Is Operation Hummingbird English slang for a homosexual fellatio party? I hope not because that album is next level, like a mix of Death in June and Der Blutharsch; psychedelic martial noise folk.

You know well to what Operation Hummingbird refers to, I'd say! As for "drinking German wine"... Well, the phrase also crops up on Throbbing Gristle's song, "Very Friendly", and I'd be fairly certain it's as I suggested. Besides, Douglas' lyrics are far more often veiled than literal. Do I need to explain any more?!!

XXX

#98
according to myra they did drink german wine. it is not innuendo.

burdizzo1

Quote from: XXX on October 18, 2024, 10:58:23 PMaccording to myra they did drink german wine. it is not innuendo.

Well, I always took it to have a double meaning. And Gen's intonation would suggest the same.

PSYWARRIOR84

Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: PSYWARRIOR84 on October 18, 2024, 07:28:53 PM
Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: DrRichard on October 18, 2024, 08:19:31 AMThen my loneliness closes in
So, I drink a German wine
And drift in dreams of other lives
And greater times


Funny you should choose that quote. I'm pretty sure "drinking German wine" was English slang for gay oral sex.

Actually, my original comment - along the lines of 'I was surprised there wasn't more of a market for neo-folk, considering the rise of the right in Europe' - was supposed to be a little facetious. Of course neo-folk is not party political (since nearly all the 'artists' see themselves as above politics in that sense) and is certainly esoteric, etc. Nevertheless, national romanticism and cultural pessimism are at the core of it. Doesn't make it remotely 'Nazi', of course.
It's well known that Douglas is gay but I think those particular lyrics are literal and not some gay innuendo. Is Operation Hummingbird English slang for a homosexual fellatio party? I hope not because that album is next level, like a mix of Death in June and Der Blutharsch; psychedelic martial noise folk.

You know well to what Operation Hummingbird refers to, I'd say! As for "drinking German wine"... Well, the phrase also crops up on Throbbing Gristle's song, "Very Friendly", and I'd be fairly certain it's as I suggested. Besides, Douglas' lyrics are far more often veiled than literal. Do I need to explain any more?!!

No need for further explanation... I hope you enjoy your German wine at Operation Hummingbird this evening!

Cranial Blast

Quote from: PSYWARRIOR84 on October 19, 2024, 05:03:23 AM
Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: PSYWARRIOR84 on October 18, 2024, 07:28:53 PM
Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: DrRichard on October 18, 2024, 08:19:31 AMThen my loneliness closes in
So, I drink a German wine
And drift in dreams of other lives
And greater times


Funny you should choose that quote. I'm pretty sure "drinking German wine" was English slang for gay oral sex.

Actually, my original comment - along the lines of 'I was surprised there wasn't more of a market for neo-folk, considering the rise of the right in Europe' - was supposed to be a little facetious. Of course neo-folk is not party political (since nearly all the 'artists' see themselves as above politics in that sense) and is certainly esoteric, etc. Nevertheless, national romanticism and cultural pessimism are at the core of it. Doesn't make it remotely 'Nazi', of course.
It's well known that Douglas is gay but I think those particular lyrics are literal and not some gay innuendo. Is Operation Hummingbird English slang for a homosexual fellatio party? I hope not because that album is next level, like a mix of Death in June and Der Blutharsch; psychedelic martial noise folk.

You know well to what Operation Hummingbird refers to, I'd say! As for "drinking German wine"... Well, the phrase also crops up on Throbbing Gristle's song, "Very Friendly", and I'd be fairly certain it's as I suggested. Besides, Douglas' lyrics are far more often veiled than literal. Do I need to explain any more?!!

No need for further explanation... I hope you enjoy your German wine at Operation Hummingbird this evening!

Never liked Operation Hummingbird. I can understand why more industrial inclined individuals would, but for me DIJ was best when they sounded more post punk/cold wave. I really like Nada above all other DIJ material and folks who are interested in the "Nada" era sound, I highly recommend checking out Tony Wakeford's Above The Ruins project, after he was asked to leave DIJ he started that project, in the vein of Joy Division and post punk stuff with a more occult vibe.

burdizzo1

Quote from: PSYWARRIOR84 on October 19, 2024, 05:03:23 AM
Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: PSYWARRIOR84 on October 18, 2024, 07:28:53 PM
Quote from: burdizzo1 on October 18, 2024, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: DrRichard on October 18, 2024, 08:19:31 AMThen my loneliness closes in
So, I drink a German wine
And drift in dreams of other lives
And greater times


Funny you should choose that quote. I'm pretty sure "drinking German wine" was English slang for gay oral sex.

Actually, my original comment - along the lines of 'I was surprised there wasn't more of a market for neo-folk, considering the rise of the right in Europe' - was supposed to be a little facetious. Of course neo-folk is not party political (since nearly all the 'artists' see themselves as above politics in that sense) and is certainly esoteric, etc. Nevertheless, national romanticism and cultural pessimism are at the core of it. Doesn't make it remotely 'Nazi', of course.
It's well known that Douglas is gay but I think those particular lyrics are literal and not some gay innuendo. Is Operation Hummingbird English slang for a homosexual fellatio party? I hope not because that album is next level, like a mix of Death in June and Der Blutharsch; psychedelic martial noise folk.

You know well to what Operation Hummingbird refers to, I'd say! As for "drinking German wine"... Well, the phrase also crops up on Throbbing Gristle's song, "Very Friendly", and I'd be fairly certain it's as I suggested. Besides, Douglas' lyrics are far more often veiled than literal. Do I need to explain any more?!!

No need for further explanation... I hope you enjoy your German wine at Operation Hummingbird this evening!

Ha ha! Not a wine man, myself - but thanks, all the same. Heilige, as they say!

FreakAnimalFinland

Not sure how many noticed yet VON THRONSTAHL new material? Very much in the neofolk realm. Track translates something like "In the reverse of turning time", and track includes pretty lengthy manifest related to Ukraina situation. It may be curious, people tend to have quite different views on what is going on there. I am not surprised that in germany, people are critical against USA imperialist moves and see themselves in middle of russian/usa conflict, rather than something precisely about Ukraine or their own native lands. In Finland, due historical reasons, question is pretty simple.
However, it what he is talking about in the "manifest", seeing how odd it is to see how rebellious underground movements these days line-up in support, endorsement for some particular side (I suppose you can pick any. Palestine/Israel, Ukraine, covid related things etc..) and very often it is something that was formerly furiously frowned upon. Like punks lining up as propagandists of big pharma or state media institutions and so on. While in past, it would be almost unheard underground bands or people would rally in favor of politicians in their social circles. Or be so preoccupied in daily politics that they could not think any nuance and complexity of situation, just these dull management level questions.

I don't know exactly what Von Thronstahl is saying in song, but I am pretty sure that its some sort of protest song and bound to stir polemic like artist has done in past, hah.. I would assume return of polemic neofolk could be good thing, if there is certain level of ambiguyity there.
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pidgeons

#104
Hardly any ambiguity here. An aimless lament on geopolitics with an unhealthy dose of self-righteous prophesizing on the moral Zeitgeist. Also quite a mainstream opinion in modern germanophone political discourse, with parties close to a majority on both ends of the spectrum ruminating the talking points for a russki mir. Surprisingly especially in the eastern German Länder, the part of this country tantalized by soviet imperialism.

Very Thronstahlesque indeed, however what a tiresome song. Revolt has surely not turned into style with this one. This has about as much aesthetic aspiration as uncle Helmuth's whatsapp feed. I will stick to Bellum, sacrum bellum or Sacrificare and kindly ignore this puny escapade.