Women In Noise? Women Here??

[Commander15]

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A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.

Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?

Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.

[Lazrs3]

Opulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".

Opulent Adversary for sure, great project.

Spiteful Womb. Prior. ACL. Niku Daruma. Ritual Chair. Lucifer Sky.

[Moran]

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A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.

Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?

Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.

Maybe. I think she was talking about the tendency to enjoy media about violence and shocking things.

[Manhog_84]

That kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.

[Tornipuhuri]

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A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.

Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?

Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.

Maybe. I think she was talking about the tendency to enjoy media about violence and shocking things.

Yeah, is not noise mostly about inhabiting the wound of the world/existence? Even when the themes are seemingly bright or joyful in absurdity. Presenting, reminiscing or recreacting violent, absurd or shock states is exactly like inhabiting the Wound and thus also trauma... of existence if nothing more specific.

From a metaphysical and psychological point of view it is interesting how men quite often initially come to noise from the state of sexual isolation of somekind, or isolation from the more lofty aspects of sexuality, and thus they express the wounded state through corresponding imagery: female genitalia, gaping holes, different types of bodily and mental wounds, onwards to wider abstraction, lack of the soft... PE in turn is like trying to incarnate the phallos in this state. Look at the red faced and stiffly electrified men of Whitehouse. They are like lightning bolts. Yet because they express the distorted and inflamed states of the world, these lighting bolts are red, or even black, inhabiting the most coarse areas of the wound, thus it's about trauma. You know, trauma can be seen as something that drags the living spirit in to such a halt that the coarse material existence subjucated to time has to exist. This creates the whole area of the vulva as some sort of a wound from where the coarse forms of existence is given birth to... in a crisis of flawed existence.

Floating back down to the topic, I wonder if the male dominance in the amount of noise projects comes back to the characteristic male need to present and wield the phallos. Like the act of controlling feedback with a plate of metal. Almost one to one experience to slightly bending one's own erected cock in a fist.

A more interesting question  is - is it different from male noise/PE? Thematically the answer is a pretty simple Yes, women-led projects tend to be (almost) exclusively introspective

Continuing on the phallos-vulva metaphysics, the ideal feminine surrounding the male part dictates the feminine expression. I think the above comment nailed how it tends to actualize: The feminine inspects the surroundings. Women can be as obsessed with trauma as men, but it might be more common for them to inspect and express the surrounding wound, almost as if taking a third perspective to it, while the Whitehouse guys remain stiff and red in the wound.

All artists have different approaches, for sure, and they express different aspects of these things. Despite one's sex, different roles are taken and expressed. Yet archetypal notions can help not merely to generalize, but to consciously realize the roles we take in different areas of creative expression, and perhaps find new interesting angles to them. Not just in creative endeavours but also interpreting art and the inner worlds.

[Atrophist]

From a metaphysical and psychological point of view it is interesting how men quite often initially come to noise from the state of sexual isolation of somekind, or isolation from the more lofty aspects of sexuality, and thus they express the wounded state through corresponding imagery: female genitalia, gaping holes, different types of bodily and mental wounds, onwards to wider abstraction, lack of the soft... PE in turn is like trying to incarnate the phallos in this state. Look at the red faced and stiffly electrified men of Whitehouse. They are like lightning bolts. Yet because they express the distorted and inflamed states of the world, these lighting bolts are red, or even black, inhabiting the most coarse areas of the wound, thus it's about trauma. You know, trauma can be seen as something that drags the living spirit in to such a halt that the coarse material existence subjucated to time has to exist. This creates the whole area of the vulva as some sort of a wound from where the coarse forms of existence is given birth to... in a crisis of flawed existence.

That's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels. My sample is subjective, ofc, but it is not small, and in my experience this isn't the case.

Floating back down to the topic, I wonder if the male dominance in the amount of  noise projects comes back to the characteristic male need to present and wield the phallos.

Lack of women in noise is caused by the male need to wield the phallos. Well, okay. It's a hypothesis, a starting point. Carry on.

[Balor/SS1535]

This is becoming awfully Lacanian.

[Minus1]

****Makes popcorn****

[BatteredStatesofEuphoria]

I saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!

[Minus1]

I saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!

I'm trying to figure out if this is a joke or not!? 😂

Tornipuhuri has an interesting theory, above. Part of me wants to respond with: "Dude. I just like the sounds."

I've said this somewhere on the forum: Many people think we are a bunch of freaks and geeks for liking Noise etc. But 90% of the people I have met in Noise are kind, thoughtful, intelligent, and happy. Noisemaker interviews exhibit the same qualities. (Even the Whitehouse guys!) I think we just think outside the box. That's all, really. We don't want to be constrained by norms of song / sound.

[Theodore]

Psychology is a plague. I m tired of people thinking they can and should analyze everything. And they all come with the same explanations about everything.

[Tornipuhuri]

You can erase all the psychology from my comment and most of it still stands. It's just metaphysics. And "just liking the sound" is lazy. Everything has a reason. It might not be about plain sexual isolation, but if you interpret sexuality as a more symbolic thing you might get what I'm saying. Again, it can be applied to psychology, but its not limited to it.

[Tornipuhuri]

That's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels.

How did you find the alternative I offered, of being isolates from more lofty aspects of sexuality? I'm speaking about romanticism onwards to other more fine planes of existence and dealings with the opposite polarity (not necessarily sexual in a coarse sense). If noise dudes are not incels, the expression surely is an act of isolating these finer elements until we arrive at the rawness of being isolated from the feminine (or masculine) until we stand at the coarse area of nihilism. No?

[NedOik]

I saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!

I'm trying to figure out if this is a joke or not!? 😂

Tornipuhuri has an interesting theory, above. Part of me wants to respond with: "Dude. I just like the sounds."

I've said this somewhere on the forum: Many people think we are a bunch of freaks and geeks for liking Noise etc. But 90% of the people I have met in Noise are kind, thoughtful, intelligent, and happy. Noisemaker interviews exhibit the same qualities. (Even the Whitehouse guys!) I think we just think outside the box. That's all, really. We don't want to be constrained by norms of song / sound.

Re Premature Ejaculation - this was a project of Rozz Williams, not a joke. Re 'Women in Noise', this topic comes around in our small universe more frequently than 'does marketing affect sales?' at an economists buffet. You can psychoanalize it and apply any theory you want - however my experience (and that to me is more important than theories) over 30 years around the noise 'scene', in various countries, tallies with yours and I could not have put it better myself. 

[Andrew McIntosh]

And "just liking the sound" is lazy.

So?