Women In Noise? Women Here??

[Atrophist]

That's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels.

How did you find the alternative I offered, of being isolates from more lofty aspects of sexuality? I'm speaking about romanticism onwards to other more fine planes of existence and dealings with the opposite polarity (not necessarily sexual in a coarse sense). If noise dudes are not incels, the expression surely is an act of isolating these finer elements until we arrive at the rawness of being isolated from the feminine (or masculine) until we stand at the coarse area of nihilism. No?

I think you're just using some AI "late 20thC art critic" generator for a laugh, and to see how long we fall for it. :)

[Tornipuhuri]

And "just liking the sound" is lazy.

So?

So dismissing the introspective side of things keeps noise isolated on a metaphysical level. I'm not saying this shouldn't be, just on observation of the artform and the room it seems to inhabit.

I'm not thinking the introspective thing is the be all end all factor of feminine creativity and presence in noise, but if we regard it a major factor, the general dismissiveness of these introspective notions on this discussion may give another perspective to the seemingly few female patricipants on this forum, amongst the already expressed notions.

Or... the dismissiveness might well be also because I presented the ideas too much like a kick on the nuts, which I did not mean to do. Judging by how people seem to think I'm total outsider to the genre and barking at the scene, I must say I'm rather making these notions partly on how I ended up to noise myself, and getting to know peoples' stories from different decades. I could say that no, it was not about isolation on my part, but rather I was following my individual path of things that interested me. It went from metal, to experimental music, industrial to noise. Plain and simple. But looking a bit under the surface, other sorts of interpretations open up. Not mere psychological ones.

Again, it seems I have to emphasise that I don't mean mere psychological interpretations by any of the things I've said. Thus the introspective thing doesn't need to be reduced to mere dull personal psychology, but rather through the example of sexual isolation a vaster sphere of isolation is perceived. Much likewise the "theories" I presented doesn't need to be seen as detached theories, but as observations that doesn't have to mutually exclude other notions.

Cool down dear noise fanatics.

[Minus1]

"I love sounds just where they are, and I have no need for them to be anything more than what they are."
John Cage on silence, Sound and Music.

"No ideas, no change, no development, no entertainment, no remorse."
Vomir.

Anyway, we seem to be off topic.

[Balor/SS1535]

You can erase all the psychology from my comment and most of it still stands. It's just metaphysics. And "just liking the sound" is lazy.

What?  You realize that not all noise is about sex?  It's one thing to say you like some random Bandcamp-only project with BDSM collage art "for the sounds," but there are plenty of non-thematic reasons to listen to Bizarre Uproar, for instance.

[Moran]

"I love sounds just where they are, and I have no need for them to be anything more than what they are."
John Cage on silence, Sound and Music.

Totally agree.

[Tornipuhuri]

What?  You realize that not all noise is about sex?  It's one thing to say you like some random Bandcamp-only project with BDSM collage art "for the sounds," but there are plenty of non-thematic reasons to listen to Bizarre Uproar, for instance.

Last thing I will comment on this topic because there is no point to keep hitting one's head on to a brickwall. I said sexuality as a symbol. Whatever that might mean, go figure.

[Theodore]

Whatever that might mean, go figure.

Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.

[Bloated Slutbag]

You realize that not all noise is about sex?

Ohshit. Really? I musta been doin it wrong.

[Balor/SS1535]

You realize that not all noise is about sex?

Ohshit. Really? I musta been doin it wrong.

To be fair, what I said in no way prevents you (or anyone, really) from making noise only about sex.  haha

[Minus1]

You realize that not all noise is about sex?

Ohshit. Really? I musta been doin it wrong.

😂

[John Cagefight]

Whatever that might mean, go figure.

Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.

keep this board pure. shame critical discussion - celebrate the promo.

[Minus1]

Whatever that might mean, go figure.

Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.

keep this board pure. shame critical discussion - celebrate the promo.

Hello John. What did you think about Tornipuhuri's theorems? Thanks in advance.

[Moran]

Relying too much on metaphors and conflating the properties of symbols with the properties of what's being symbolized usually leads to bad philosophy.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I doubt this question requires neither philosophical or psychoanalytical approach.

I have seen so many times "analysis" happening how for example Japanese noise vs western noise differs. Or almost without exception, when people talk how come there are so much bleak or raw underground music in Finland and someone drops the "there is no sunlight for half year.." -type of explanation, which is pretty lame actually. Sometimes theory appears to function as long as you don't ask people actually involved in it. Of course, one must admit that sometimes you indeed need the outside to point out something that is harder to see while being inside of something.

Questions of women in noise can be more enlightening to approach in form of listening and reading interviews of female noise artists plus at least over here, you can basically talk to women who buy noise, listen noise or go to gigs. I'd bet that a lot of folks rather identify as noise fanatics than representing gender. Latter of course clearly has effect, but I could assume I may have way more common ground with artist women than random male. What random males in this society are doing, is far more puzzling question, hah. Questions why so little of women being involved in ways men usually are, and how we could increase equality and such, are utterly unnecessary questions for me.

[Wild Nature Acolyte]

Good point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?

I don't know what happened in the last few pages of this thread but I just wanted to reply to this specifically.

Woman here. I "enjoy" listening to noise and PE while making art or anything that requires hours of creative focus. I wouldn't consider a noise show exactly a pinnacle of socializing and fun, but I guess that could also be subjective depending on who you ask!