Women In Noise? Women Here??

[anusenvy]

Sorry .. it's not ok to be aroused or talk about it.


Anyways, I was just suddenly reminded of Masturbatory Dysfunction and how she had no pictures of herself performing or otherwise with her face showing but otherwise she posted very erotic photos. Through conversation I learned this was on purpose. Always fascinated me for some reason.

[Minus1]

I recent Joensuu show, I talked with couple ladies asking am I seeing wrong, but isn't audience like.. half women? Maybe not mathematically exactly, but close enough to give this impression. It wasn't about girlfriends showing up kind of thing (which is cool too), but everybody actually watching ALL the shows, that consisted pretty much harsh noise.
Evening included one female artist, Nikama. She doesn't have any physical releases. Gigs have been hit & miss, but this particular gig was great!

Week before there was in Helsinki not only Nikama, but female noise artists THE GLORIA. There are plenty of women in the audience.

So, this message replying "women in noise?" - Even if there always is women at shows, at these recent gigs, it seemed as if there was even more than before. Plus every gig having female artists too.

Thanks. Admittedly I'm not...er...getting out much. 😂 (ie Going to Noise Shows). I made assumptions about this (and about the makeup of this forum.) I'm glad to be wrong.

[BatteredStatesofEuphoria]

I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.

This seems like an attitude that's going to pretty much dismiss most art, noise or otherwise. Art as catharsis is as old as art itself. Plenty of art is borne out of the artist's pain or trauma and their desire to find some kind of closure or meaning out of it, and plenty of people have used consumed art to help them cope with the vagaries of life.

Now if that's the ONLY thing someone gets out or art, if they're using it as a crutch, then I can understand seeing that with disdain. But art as a way to deal with pain is as authentic and valid as anything else.

[groesk]

This seems like an attitude that's going to pretty much dismiss most art, noise or otherwise. Art as catharsis is as old as art itself. Plenty of art is borne out of the artist's pain or trauma and their desire to find some kind of closure or meaning out of it, and plenty of people have used consumed art to help them cope with the vagaries of life.

yeah, i was thinking about that. I think the woman who talked about PE like that only meant it as a means to an end and nothing more. but yeah the post you're referring to just seems ignorant and close minded. unless there's some hidden meaning that he would like to elaborate on.

Thanks. Admittedly I'm not...er...getting out much. 😂 (ie Going to Noise Shows). I made assumptions about this (and about the makeup of this forum.) I'm glad to be wrong.

to be fair noise shows are pretty hard to even know about unless you're in some circle. i would love to go to some but i'm pretty sure i'm the only noise enjoyer in my town.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Here is the video collection of Helsinki show I mentioned, including couple female artists:

https://youtu.be/6SZGp56nq6Y?si=PELzbiMXYb-k_gvX

[anusenvy]

It was fun for a minute there on social media to be able to reach more people directly/find more shows locally. Conceivably giving people the ability to find something they might not have otherwise without social media. Then, social media caved like all business & obscurity is easier to be obscure again. However, I did not anticipate these new algorithms + AI generated auto responses....people like Torturing Nurse + Ryosuke Kiyasu get higher views/higher engagement but is 95% jokes about Yoko Ono with rest being general Wurm psychology. Hopefully both are selling more tapes + more digital purchases. Misunderstanding + attacks/jokes frequently indicate person actually IS curious/interested. Ask the gay/trans community about this.

Also, if someone has gotten to the point that they are currently immersed in a subculture to point of frequent and deep investigation, one can usually follow a trail to some sort of show information. May not be as frequently occurring as open mic night. However for me geographically, I've always been spoiled so to say to always have things available 1 hour or less from home. 2 or 3 hours if the artists on it are more recognized i.e. needing to go to NYC or small town in VT near Canadian border. I think this also shapes my perspective of characters in scene for obvious reasons i.e. Hot Topic absolutist liberals, lots of veteran performers/fans, places centered around academia, more 'record stores' than potentially necessary, etc. As opposed to how I perceive some other parts of US (or otherwise) where it is 3+ hour trip to anything worthwhile.

I also admittedly probably may not have found 'noise world' had I not tried to perform myself from the get-go.

It's too bad because even most seasoned fans may not look very deep into the subject, either through ignorance or satisfaction with the amount of information they receive through mainstream outlets. Maybe some people could radically overcome their fears of SI/FAR somehow converting them accidentally or purposely to something they don't currently believe in. Then they may find a forum such as this as viable tool rather than some moral or ethical quandary. 

In fact, you may be surprised what you find if you submit to nuance and have "open mind".

Anyways...

I'm ok with admitting that at one point I truly believed Pharmakon was one of the only women in noise. Ah but how times have changed. Perhaps that does say something about accessibility to information. Or maybe too many people have drifted away from search engines + stuff like that. 

In defense of the thoughts I was having during my first reply to the thread, I do believe some people want to be objectified and I am fine with silently validating that. I also think it is kind of knee jerk response to claim objectification anyway. Do I objectify someone because I recognize their gender and have normal response to that? Or is it objectification because I say so like Butthead?

Me personally I'm interested in learning more about Gabi Losoncy who I believe is in partnership with Sam McKinlay. Am I [truly] going crazy or has Gabi performed on a release? Or is it just quotes and art? I was not really enjoying her book but am actually interested in trying to read it again. Any information you might share about her here would be appreciated. I particularly enjoyed her art on this release:



Anyways...

To revise and sum everything up: I've seen women around noise scene and many of them.