advice for planning euro tour

Started by Nyodene D, October 12, 2011, 08:22:10 PM

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tisbor

QuotePlus on a travelling side note - you have not seen the true England till you've seen the North, Londons he fucking disney land wrapped in cotton wool tourist version of England!!

yes! go north

Nyodene D

i am going to be using a new live setup that is a Moog MG-1 and scrap metal with some loops on a tape or ipod.  I can reproduce some album tracks, but a lot of the time its a lot looser,  though its still based on the structures and using the synths i can't play live as a framework for some noise improvisation.  I typically play new material i'm working on for the next few releases when i play live, but i'm hoping for a way that i can do one track from a future release and one track from Ever Knee Shall Bow or other tapes for live shows.

nidding

Okay, here's my advice.

- As for railpasses, they can be damn expensive, so make sure to really research it and figure out your options. For example in Germany taking busses between major cities can be super cheap (down to something like €10 to some places), so it might be worth it to try and check all options. Also booking ahead is usually a good idea for any kind of transportation, the faster you act the cheaper it usually is. If you have a railpass it takes the edge off everything though, which can be a good stress relief - then it's just hop-on-hop-off - which can be pretty good, when you have enough other chaos to deal with on a daily basis.

- Turnouts are random as hell. It depends on the day, the weather, other acts, your friends, their friends, the amount of other activity (shows etc) at the time and so on and so forth. As said earlier you can expect from 2 to 100+, depending on your luck and often how many friends the local acts have.

- Getting paid much isn't too easy. It seems like most people I know in Europe are having problems raising funds for gigs at the moment, so guarantees are really hard to come by. Don't expect anything on that front and be stoked if you get paid €100+.
Also as Mikko said, don't expect merch to sell like drugs in a crackhouse ... sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't, but don't expect to base your daily needs on merch sales.

- Bring as compact a set-up as possible. Carrying around a massive pile of gear is a huge pain in the ass, especially when you have to run for a train. So make it as light and easy to carry around as you can. This should almost be obvious, but just how annoying it is might not be as obvious right away. Even though I basically only had one case of gear with me on my last tour, it still weighed around 13kg (30lbs) and when walking around for a while that ended up feeling a lot heavier than first expected.

- This is probably another one of the obvious ones, but as a longtime promoter it's something that still amazes me that people don't think about: Bring a sleeping bag and a towel, when you're several people touring together. Don't expect the promoter to having blankets and towels enough for all of you. Also you'll be happy you brought your own, when you're staying in some crusty-looking place.

- Be a friend. Seriously I think this is just plain and simply the most important advice. You get extremely far in Europe just by being friendly - most promoters and artists will go far out of their way to help you out, if you're a genuinely good guy. Be a douche or too full of yourself and you'll quickly find a lot of doors closing very fast. Again one of the obvious, but apparently not obvious-enough things.

Quote from: tisbor on October 13, 2011, 12:07:10 PM
Language barrier here is quite strong: almost nobody speaks english.
I'm quite sure you'd always at least get free food and places to sleep all over Italy. Don't expect much money but you never know..
Also, personal advice for visiting Italy: don't be a vegetarian - you'd miss a good 70% of the fun..

Just came back from Italy, and I don't totally agree with this. While there sure is a language barrier, then just make sure to do your homework beforehand, learn how to say "where", "how", "thank you" - combine them with a bunch of place names, foods, people etc and you can do pretty well. To my experience most people into noise and subcultures in Italy know pretty good english and are insanely friendly, so you can quite possibly get help from them with a lot of stuff.
Also Italy is like vegetarian heaven, in my opinion. There's so many different fantastic vegetarian dishes there, so getting great food is hardly a problem at all - and it's not like a lot of places in Germany where the vegetarian/vegan options are all junk/fast food (which gets tiresome extremely fast). And it's not like some places in the Baltics where you can't get by anything except a pile of lettuce and perhaps some stewed veggies.

bitewerksMTB

Make sure you hit all the red light areas & huge pornshops (Club 88 in Paris is a lot of fun). Definitely different & more fun than any in the U.S.

Matthias

Sometimes when i go to shows now, i tend to think that it's obviously way too easy for foreign bands to tour nowdays, heh.. During the 3 years i booked shows here in Gothenburg, my view on touring bands changed a bit. You wouldn't believe how many show requests we recieved at times from bands all over. At some point i think you have to ask yourself why you even want to tour. This may come out wrong, but my opinion is that it's somewhat important to "have a name" before considering touring, especially if you're booking the tour by yourself. If no one ever heard of your act in a foreign country, things will obviously be harder. Dosen't matter how hard the promoter work on it, some of the responsibility is on the bands. If you want to tour Europe, one good idea might be to try get a release out on an european label in advance. I guess on this level it's best to see it as a "free vacation" and don't expect too much, but on the other hand there is people busting their asses off with putting up shows and sometimes loosing money on it, so be grateful. This is no critic towards any projects here, just some thoughts.

tisbor

QuoteTo my experience most people into noise and subcultures in Italy know pretty good english and are insanely friendly, so you can quite possibly get help from them with a lot of stuff.

Yes, of course (fortunately!) this is quite true. I was thinking about everyday needs at restaurants, supermarkets etc etc
but yeah don't worry too much - if you hang out with the other bands/organizers they'll help you out.

Italy has lots of great traditional vegetarian dishes (from back when "vegetarian" just meant you couldn't afford meat) and i'm sure salad lovers can get good stuff way easier and cheaper here than in the rest of Europe, but still you're going to miss tons of yummy stuff.
Fuck i'm hungry again.

Goat93

Do you have planes to make Concerts in North Germany?

Nyodene D

dunno what constitutes north, but doing Dresden and Berlin.  There's also going to probably be a Warsaw show if it's closer to you.

UK / Amsterdam / Berlin / Dresden / Prague / Warsaw / Vilnius / UK

7 shows in two weeks. 


ImpulsyStetoskopu

Quote from: Nyodene D on November 04, 2011, 07:23:32 PM
dunno what constitutes north, but doing Dresden and Berlin.  There's also going to probably be a Warsaw show if it's closer to you.

UK / Amsterdam / Berlin / Dresden / Prague / Warsaw / Vilnius / UK

7 shows in two weeks. 



Wow, Warsaw... is known what a day it would be?

Goat93

Berlin and Dresden are both East Germany :(

North is more Hamburg till Kiel or such, but makes no sense when you drive berlin/dresden route