Sound collage

[Deadpriest]

Why do you ask ?

Because it obviously isn't and I wondered why you posted it.

[Deadpriest]

How about ponderosa? Reckon this comes close to the mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3FLYYjDQrw

[Marcel Duchump]

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Why do you ask ?

Because it obviously isn't and I wondered why you posted it.





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Sound collage
« on: January 30, 2018, 08:18:30 PM »
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>>OK, so at some point, it's a hard line to delineate the boundaries between, say, musique concrete, "general tape music," and a "sound collage." Lots of projects or releases I could think of have a collage-type approach to many tracks, even describing themselves as such (Ultra, Macronympha, Contrastate, Runzerstirn & Gurgelstock, Merzbow) but somehow they seem a bit too "musical" (or noisy) to really hit the description of sound collage as I interpret it.

When I think of a sound collage, I'm thinking layered, cut-up, and maybe sometimes looped field recordings, tape sound, found sound, seemingly purposeless recordings of families, and the like - maybe some warped musical bits in there, but really mostly collaged non-music sound. I'm having a hard time explaining myself but am confident that at least a few people around here know what I mean.

With limited success, I've found what might qualify as such here and there, problem is, a lot of it sucks or is just a bunch of field recordings of everyday bullshit. Can anyone recommend more listenable sound-collage type stuff? Maybe even artists who specialize in such techniques?

[Deadpriest]

Hmmm... I guess I hadn't payed much attention to that after my initial post here, what I was posting here was at least a patchworks of sounds with lots of intricacy, what you posted was neither of those things.

As for my post count that's bullshit, maybe other people have accused me of trying to pad it but they were out of line. occasionally I have treated whatever thread as a bit of a message board but it was without thinking or maybe I've been a bit unthinking and self indulgent but I like to participate and I do try to be conscientious (and trying to be more so) despite what certain people might think. So if you have any more to say PM me.

[Johann]

On a personal standpoint of reading the forum posting links with no content is not something I find particularly compelling or intellectually stimulating. Even a simple description, or "artist/album" at the very least.

Back on subject, some Blod material (particularly the iddb 7") might fit. I haven't heard anything from him that wasn't free jazz though. That said I think he has releases heavy in the found tape area, and if you accidentally get a free jazz release it's actually quite good.

[Peterson]

Alvin Currans - Natural History : uses all field recording but arranged like a symphony. It's brilliant sounding stuff.

So while all your recommendations tend to hit the nail, I was blown away by this one, cheers! Just grabbed the Art Into Life reissue for more than I'd normally shell out, if that says anything. Rivals Luc Ferrari and such if I dare say.

Back on subject, some Blod material (particularly the iddb 7") might fit. I haven't heard anything from him that wasn't free jazz though. That said I think he has releases heavy in the found tape area, and if you accidentally get a free jazz release it's actually quite good.

I have a love-hate relationship with the latter Blod, sometimes it's really pleasantly anhedonic and other times, well...suicidal, haha. I'd like to hear the purely jazz stuff. I get what you mean about the "collage" part but it's pretty "musical" compared to what I meant in OP and your other suggestions.

[Johann]

Alvin Currans - Natural History : uses all field recording but arranged like a symphony. It's brilliant sounding stuff.

So while all your recommendations tend to hit the nail, I was blown away by this one, cheers! Just grabbed the Art Into Life reissue for more than I'd normally shell out, if that says anything. Rivals Luc Ferrari and such if I dare say.

Back on subject, some Blod material (particularly the iddb 7") might fit. I haven't heard anything from him that wasn't free jazz though. That said I think he has releases heavy in the found tape area, and if you accidentally get a free jazz release it's actually quite good.

I have a love-hate relationship with the latter Blod, sometimes it's really pleasantly anhedonic and other times, well...suicidal, haha. I'd like to hear the purely jazz stuff. I get what you mean about the "collage" part but it's pretty "musical" compared to what I meant in OP and your other suggestions.

Really happy you dug it! Alvin Curran is truly special, and I think I might agree with your sentiment that he may be better than Ferrari.

Yea, that's interesting, I've heard so little Blod I figured it may have a musical element. My only record by him is under his own name on Jartecknet. I remember it as good but haven't revisited...the only Blod jazz I heard was on Bandcamp. Is the samples he uses all in Swedish? If so does it detract at all from the experience of English listeners?

[totalblack]

Alvin Currans - Natural History : uses all field recording but arranged like a symphony. It's brilliant sounding stuff.

So while all your recommendations tend to hit the nail, I was blown away by this one, cheers! Just grabbed the Art Into Life reissue for more than I'd normally shell out, if that says anything. Rivals Luc Ferrari and such if I dare say.

Back on subject, some Blod material (particularly the iddb 7") might fit. I haven't heard anything from him that wasn't free jazz though. That said I think he has releases heavy in the found tape area, and if you accidentally get a free jazz release it's actually quite good.

I have a love-hate relationship with the latter Blod, sometimes it's really pleasantly anhedonic and other times, well...suicidal, haha. I'd like to hear the purely jazz stuff. I get what you mean about the "collage" part but it's pretty "musical" compared to what I meant in OP and your other suggestions.

Really happy you dug it! Alvin Curran is truly special, and I think I might agree with your sentiment that he may be better than Ferrari.

Yea, that's interesting, I've heard so little Blod I figured it may have a musical element. My only record by him is under his own name on Jartecknet. I remember it as good but haven't revisited...the only Blod jazz I heard was on Bandcamp. Is the samples he uses all in Swedish? If so does it detract at all from the experience of English listeners?

My first exposure to Alvin Curran is while reading this, really excellent. For some reason this is a type of music that I always enjoy hearing and listening to, but have never spent tons of time delving too deep into it myself. Need to run down to thee local noise \ sound art dispensary rumpsti pumsti and grab a copy of the LP reissue.

[Peterson]

My first exposure to Alvin Curran is while reading this, really excellent. For some reason this is a type of music that I always enjoy hearing and listening to, but have never spent tons of time delving too deep into it myself.

Heh, same here, and that basically sums up my motivation in starting the thread. But the "genre" as a whole has become an addiction pretty quickly.

Really happy you dug it! Alvin Curran is truly special, and I think I might agree with your sentiment that he may be better than Ferrari.

Is the samples he uses all in Swedish? If so does it detract at all from the experience of English listeners?

Haha, didn't realize Blod had a Bandcamp, will get on it. Everything I've heard was loops of found-sound, thrift store/garage sale family tapes type stuff, one or two layers at a time (so still pretty music-ish and not too collage-y). A very kind gentleman on this forum sent me the Kare Jesus/Mandys Bil 7" after I said I wanted something "disappointing," and I guess M. Andersson's review sums it up; he says something like it's obviously a drunk-ass dad on x-mas forcing his kids to sing along, hah. So I guess to answer your question, it's more the content/sound that makes it so I have to be in this specific, frustrated mood to go anywhere near that - the lack of understanding Swedish much less speaking much of any other second language does render a lot of stuff slightly oblique, though. I end up having to do a lot of translation and research with a lot of music, I guess.

What I am still searching for is more varied, multilayered all-over-the place collaged sound that (mostly but not entirely) tends to avoid music/instruments as sources that sometimes gets a pretty maddening level of editing/pace. In the future, I want to do something like this myself that goes from quick-cut tape collages to harder, more saturated sound that's like cut-up noise without the pedals/almost no electronics.

[Marcel Duchump]

"Collage " :-)

[EndNoProcess]

This is what came to mind, especially after seeing Alvin Curran mentioned. Some of these may not exactly fit your idea of sound collage or be true examples of the style but they all have collage-like elements.

Pierre Mariétan: (Recently reissued, it's great, though is perhaps more field recording than sound collage)  https://soundcloud.com/manarec/mana1
Michel Chion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqhWkhKDFJM
Paul Dolden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fidi0JvFAnk
Operating Theatre/Roger Doyle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P_-n1TUCXU
Jacques Lejeune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsneFwdX9Xw
Deathranch: (Probably a lot of stuff on SoP for that matter, eg, Big City Orchestra, If Bwana, etc): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ospVbmK4r8
Bladderflask: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4_dPsf2JM
H.N.A.S: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtxQncGyKek
Mark Vernon: (That whole Lambkin/KYE/Penultimate Press/etc bunch do this sort of thing quite a bit. Astor and Vanessa Rossetto come to mind, though they may be more in the field recording and electroacoustic end of the spectrum. This one works more with found sound.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFk3utm4wCE
Basil Kirchin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBUxJNLcX78
This Can related record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96k_XKT4CHA
This Ghedalia Tazartes record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdGrwLDlOqg
This odd LP on Alga Marghen by Hans Krusi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3XnAMV6hrs
This Franz Zwartjes record maybe? Lots of keyboardy synth stuff with spliced in vocal elements. Either way, it's pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=630Doou3cJQ