New Wave of American Power Electronics

Started by Nyodene D, January 14, 2010, 06:24:57 PM

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Andrew McIntosh

I'd be interested in knowing what problems Brethren, Deathkey, Genocide Lolita and others have had in regards to their releases (maybe another thread topic). You're probably right to advise guardedness.
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Nyodene D

dunno if David or Kramer will talk about stuff like that outside of e-mail exchange (not that I know them personally).  Justin Ordnung (GL) is probably more accessible through something like myspace.

FreakAnimalFinland

I doubt problems are "huge". You know, most of problems delivered by having offensive (to some) content is that:
1) people will talk about it = read: free promotion.
2) labels who may worry about negative feedback, will not sell it = read: those who do, sell few more.

Those are the basic things. Then when profile goes up, it may lead to cutting off opportunities to play gigs in certain venues. Some alternative left wing places may be horrified when someone complains why they host show for the nazis, and they'll immediately cancel it.
I have gotten few returned discs. Refusals from labels to distribute certain titles. Cancelled live shows. Protest from customers and some labels over releases. Insults from people all over. It's not really a problem, it's what I call communication. People telling what they think over release that I made.
But as far as I can sense the wibe, most of these white consciousness related projects aren't very welcomed by several others who are very sensitive where they want to be associated. Due circumstances of negative attention having bad consequences, they need to keep distance. Thinking of situation of UK gig organiser who did Der Blutharsh, DIJ and others (including Grunt) and I believe pretty confusing story included pictures including wearing humorous swastika armband, names of these famous "nazi bands" she organizes etc were distributed in form of letter in her living area (predominantly black) and contacts to her work, contacts taken to venues and shops selling tickets etc. Think situation like this, and probably many shops of high profile labels who have wild imagination, might want to stay away from trouble. Trouble that can be caused simply by 1 guy. To me personally, if album sells 500 and is praised by almost everybody who gets it, vs. couple dozen who gets upset, and perhaps 1-5 who might do something about it, seems like pretty good indication which is the thing for example label should listen to. Of course this will marginalize label somewhere very far from possibilities what less offensive new wave of...... -approach could bring.

Anyways, as said before, I'm very sure that with track lengths of 4-5 minutes, with good 8-10 bands, LP would be good. I think what would be needed is inviting all, and rejecting the crap. The policy what makes people really pissed off, but is necessary when doing good compilation. Weak links simply must be rejected, even if they come from a friend. Perhaps that's why comp. should be done by someone outsider, who isn't friend.
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GEWALTMONOPOL

Any compilation with Genocide Lolita on it will definitely NOT have my support! That shit IS offensive. Offensibly BAD! So bad in fact that if he toured Europe and the antifa decided to take action I'd temporarily join them in the name of music.
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FreakAnimalFinland

I think many probably not heard his other projects. I'm not 100% if GL is his "main project" or just one of them. Operation Miranda tape was released by Finnish EST label, and I think it got pretty good feedback and sold well. It is PE, and it's new, but I doubt there is other things available? It's not a utmost stand out release, but goes pretty well in same league with Pleasure Fuilds, Men Of Iron Heel, older Liver Mortis etc.
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GEWALTMONOPOL

Haven't heard Operation Miranda but he's a nazi so of course it sells. Never mind if it sucks or not because being a nazi is oh so controversial and naughty and people are gagging to get a piece of that. That's the pathetic reality.
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FreakAnimalFinland

Operation Miranda was never advertised to be related to GL, or Justin in first place. It was anonynous project of sexual nature. First I wondered could it be Slogun related due he has track with same title, but later found out who it was. Of course gossip travels, but I think most people never knew who's project they're buying, and most certainly not any possibility of nazi link.

I think the link what is in sales and content, is not that it should be "nazi", but that there should be something. Bands that are very vague, very unclear, very music oriented, very mild in terms of what can be said about, they just don't lure the typical buyer in same way. When you say anarcho primitivists pe from midwest US or true crime PE from NYC, it will raise interest immediately. Literally same material what is just wall of noise, or it is marketed as extremely militant and minimalist avalanche of wall of noise will probably sell more. GL as band, never sold shit, as far as I know. His material home burned, home inkprinted, never in any distro, special editions extremely small editions.. like was it 10? It's another case what you can't really argue about these bands having more success, when everybody else sells few hundred and those riding with nazi reputation won't reach more. Often perhaps even less. I would think the new wave PE from USA always sells more, if they just press more.
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FreakAnimalFinland

few messages remove. Keep in mind the usual rules of discussion clearly defined in message top of section.
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Strömkarlen

Quote from: Strömkarlen on January 15, 2010, 06:38:00 PM
That aside I would really like to see some good, well put together compilations with American bands. Not just PE but a LP or CD with just the best of PE/noise/drone from America. Maybe something for Cathartic Process? I'm sure that the selection would be really good and challenging. 

What I was asking for what NOT a roll call of anything PE related in America but a comp that was heavily curated and show-casing new groups from America that I and my others have missed in the avalanche of tapes and spraypainted CD-rs that have flooded the world since the early 2000. I still want to hear that comp. I miss those well put together comps of yesteryear where you would find out about new groups that you never heard about and get some great tracks from others.

XE

I would like to add COMA DETOX. Raw & filthy. Just what one could imagine to come out from label like Filth&Violence. And hey guess what? tape coming out pretty soon . Not everything has to be crude,nasty and brutal, but if it has F&V tag on it - it will be! heh.

Also C.D. tape from Nil by Mouth out soon-ish.

GENOCIDE LOLITA live clip:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxhO79xd4VI
thats sounds pretty good! visuals are nice as well. Also "Totenkopf" tattoo is something that I have concidered myself for a long :)  I like this bloke. I have understood that GL is more of that myspace,filesharing, soulseek type of thing? And thats something I am not into at all. Anyway just checked some studio works which didnt reach the quality of that youtube live. Weak digital sound, bedroom recording, not much of an idea etc.  Is G.L. or related projects active nowadays??

There is a some cultural differences between USA and lets say Scandinavia. ya know that small talk thing. they ask how are you. But dont wanna really know. Very easily if something is irritating its like I am gonna kill you. When you heard "I m gonna kill you" in Finland you can be 100% sure there is a knife coming for your chest in few seconds. That is pretty much related the thing that every release is awesome killer and rad and paypal sent. that mentality and few slow and "un-underground ethical" labels. That IMO is bullshit. otherwise hail AmeriKKKa! 




Plague Haus

Already mentioned, but Deathkey & RU-486. I've dealt with both on a more personal level and their dedication to what they do is unwavering. For me that is part of the appeal, but of course they need the chops to back it up, which in my opinion they do. Neither seem to suffer from the "hey look at me" syndrome which seems to permeate (but not exclusive to) US PE.

And Mr. XE, you're dead-on with G.L. The live clips are definitely better, but I do he think he suffers from some weak production or maybe just cheap equipment. Hi heart is definitely in the right place, but I question his "underground ethics" as well. There are very few US projects or labels I trust now for pre-orders or trades. I always get a little flak for "kissing Finnish ass", but I've yet to deal with anyone there who hasn't done exactly what they say they will do.

Bloated Slutbag

What I'm reading is a more pronounced attempt to drive content (or story) through the sonic component, where in the earlier days content would be more didactically driven via lyrics/text/artwork/background/militant statements of intent/etc. Nyodene D's descriptor, "stuff is synthy, bursts of harshness, incomprehensible vocals (for the most part), introspective themes, tendency to do heavy drones evolving into chaos" reinforces the point; though I read similar attempts in, say, Grunt's entertaining tale of collecting concrete sound materials in frozen a industrial wasteland or The Rita's recent "diving" exploits.

A few years back, I proposed the potential for a blossoming of like-minded tendencies among a more technically proficient species of harshnoise practitioner. Though at the same time I acknowledged that pe, the more intrinsically content-oriented, was better positioned to take advantage (of the technological advances at hand). And I went on to suggest that a French pe-ish purveyor, Propergol, might serve as flag-bearer for such movements apparent.

But this development has in any case been long in coming. All human experience is represented in a narrative frame, whether that experience is defined as memory, history, identity, whatever. If the most visionary representations are to be flopped out by those who fail utterly to stick to the common story, so much the better.
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Reinhard Von Musel

Quote from: Nyodene D on January 14, 2010, 09:06:32 PM
Fusty Cunt Records is currently working on a 2xc-15 comp where each artist does one minute.  It's all made up of harsh noise, p.e. and death industrial stuff. 


DISCO NIHIL has done the same several years ago. "Strangers In The Night" C10. But not exclusive to american stuff. However, i like this 1 min. idea somehow.

FreakAnimalFinland

I think specific time on comp has been done many times. From lock groove to 5 sec, to 30 sec, to 60 sec...
For example Come Again II, which I always praise, manages to give very good overview of Japanese noise despite very brief 90-120 seconds contributions. However, I don't think it is possible to make very good PE compilation by defining it by length of track. I think there should be much much more other qualities and approaches than "what you can make in 1 minute". It somehow trivializes PE if you ask me. Most likely result being just blast of noise with some yelling. Which would be fine with "noise", but can't really relate on idea for industrial/pe.
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tiny_tove

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 16, 2010, 10:04:44 AM
Thinking of situation of UK gig organiser who did Der Blutharsh, DIJ and others (including Grunt) and I believe pretty confusing story included pictures including wearing humorous swastika armband, names of these famous "nazi bands" she organizes etc were distributed in form of letter in her living area (predominantly black) and contacts to her work, contacts taken to venues and shops selling tickets etc. T

that was a very sad story indeed...
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