Posh Isolation (then and now)

Started by NaturalOrthodoxy, October 19, 2020, 11:26:12 AM

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FreakAnimalFinland

Having done interviews and written a lot about the early days, my favorable opinion is probably known. One can search topics such as "Danish supremacy" from this forum!

While I see plenty of people trash PI, already then, and certainly now, I still stand firmly in opinion that there is plenty of great releases. It is certainly visible how they had all the obvious influences, instead of creating something  very unique, yet I'm fairly confident that PI is one of the last "phenomena" that happened in noise. Of course there are now some tape labels that have instagram success or such. Who have grown to penetrate out of the "noise ghetto" so to say. Phenomena beyond "artist" or "label" - ability to create something that is vastly bigger. One does not have to like it, to acknowledge they did it.

That linked dance video, with droning instrument sounds, I'm sure not everybody is into cock bulge in pantyhose, but for me, this is welcomed element in form of somewhat "underground experimental sound" teaming up with video art, dance/body art, etc.  To me, that video is like very positive example of what PI is doing now. I am certainly not fan of their computer dance music or current aesthetic approach what gives me literally nothing, but it also underlines quite good question. Do I rate PI by what is the best things they do (or did) or things I did not/could not like? I know it may sound almost heritical to give such example as Alchemy Records, but consider this:
Do you value Alchemy Records based on the absolute best noise releases (Merzbow, Incapacitants, Hijokaidan,...) or do you need to think about countless and countless Japanese indie music bands on same roster, that I have certainly given a try so many times... but almost without exception, can not get into.

yep, I would vote on approaching in what is good on label, not what are the things you simply could never appreciate based on your own taste.  So, while I do have huge collection of early PI, and am more than happy to ignore most of the things they did within last years. If they happen to do some noise related, I might be giving it spin if I just manage to get the album.

(This is one of the nuisances of growing labels. In short, PI no longer sold wholesale directly. One would have to order from Cargo (uk). Cargo does not accept wholesale orders from Finland, since they have Finnish broker. Finnish broker does not carry PI stuff as there is "no demand". So, if there is item I would like to sell, I can't. Same thing applies for few other bigger "industrial" labels. They won't sell directly, wholesaler won't sell to your country, your local wholesaler won't carry items.)
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TS

Quote from: sunandsteel on October 20, 2020, 09:11:24 PM


I try not to be too harsh or judgemental as its obvious the label is going for something completely different now. I can't help but think this is your average American Boomer's idea of Scandinavians.



I think you've identified what annoys me. This kind of stuff, (despite the bulge) gives me the same vibe of Scandinavian "melancholy" that saturates everything in at least Norwegian popular culture. It's a very premeditated kind of aesthetic, like a distant vulnerability. You can see it in Norwegian music, in Norwegian movies, etc. it's everywhere.  It's got no power, no oomph! You can't escape it and it's boring as hell.
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NaturalOrthodoxy

Quote from: TS on October 23, 2020, 06:02:22 PM
the same vibe of Scandinavian "melancholy" that saturates everything in at least Norwegian popular culture. It's a very premeditated kind of aesthetic, like a distant vulnerability. You can see it in Norwegian music, in Norwegian movies, etc. it's everywhere. 

ha, funnily enough I would identify this as part of why I like this label. Maybe because I'm not exposed to it every day, being British. It certainly is an identifiably Scandinavian trait but to me seems less ubiquitous and therefore more novel and appealing. I can certainly understand someone more familiar than this finding it grating.

If you'll indulge me though, here's my take on that "Scandinavian melancholy" aspect:

With certain projects on the label, it feels like they export this vibe to other regions. Perhaps because of titles like The Palermo Protocol, Monaco, Damien Dubrovnik, snippets of dialogue in Russian etc, and the comp title The Maritime Trade, it conjures the image of pan-European travel. In some contexts it feels like the diary of some depressed and wealthy playboy engaging in decadent acts in exotic locales, in others it feels like the menacing soundtrack to some shady trafficking activities (like the other side of the Caligula031 coin). Especially when you introduce the techno sounds, but still within an industrial context (see the aforementioned Palermo Protocol comp), it brings to mind the setting of seedy clubs playing shitty Eurodance in some Godforsaken port town, full of gangsters.

Obviously, I'm referencing a lot of older stuff here. I think that cinematic feeling is what a lot of people here enjoy about PI, even if they wouldn't put it in such specific terms.

TS

Ah, haven't had the chance to check out the releases you mention, so I can't comment on that. However, what you're talking about sounds more Lilya 4-ever-ish, which of course I'm not opposed to at all. Will have to track down some of these with that in mind!

It isn't exactly what I was getting at when I was trying to describe this "Scandinavian melancholy" though. It's more related to this pressing need everyone seems to have to expose their "tenderness" in a vaguely "northern", distant way which seems to me to have birthed a certain kind of aesthetic that has now become ingrained. Hard to put in to words! Sorry about that.



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NaturalOrthodoxy

Quote from: TS on October 25, 2020, 02:46:31 PM
Hard to put in to words! Sorry about that.


No need to apologise, I certainly understood what you're getting at. I see that "tenderness" thing in some of the sad boy rappers that Varg2TM has collaborated with, like Yung Lean and Bladee. Not my thing at all, total Urban Outfitters vibes.

I've heard of Lilya 4 Ever but never seen it, from my understanding though it's a good reference point for what I was talking about. I'm sure a still from that film is the cover of Prurient's Cocaine Death, which was obviously a huge influence on this. I'd even give the same rationale as I gave in my last post for my enjoyment of Cocaine Death and Bermuda Drain.

TS

Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on October 26, 2020, 05:52:38 PM

I've heard of Lilya 4 Ever but never seen it, from my understanding though it's a good reference point for what I was talking about. I'm sure a still from that film is the cover of Prurient's Cocaine Death, which was obviously a huge influence on this. I'd even give the same rationale as I gave in my last post for my enjoyment of Cocaine Death and Bermuda Drain.

It's well worth seeing, despite some unfortunate Rammstein here and there. You're right about Cocaine Death. Killer album! However, this is getting off topic. To get back on it: this thread has really made me wanna track down the other Forza Albino releases too, Black Dog is the shit. If anyone here has em', do they have a similar sound as Black Dog?
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Sektion1

Quote from: TS on October 26, 2020, 09:16:02 PM
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on October 26, 2020, 05:52:38 PM

I've heard of Lilya 4 Ever but never seen it, from my understanding though it's a good reference point for what I was talking about. I'm sure a still from that film is the cover of Prurient's Cocaine Death, which was obviously a huge influence on this. I'd even give the same rationale as I gave in my last post for my enjoyment of Cocaine Death and Bermuda Drain.

It's well worth seeing, despite some unfortunate Rammstein here and there. You're right about Cocaine Death. Killer album! However, this is getting off topic. To get back on it: this thread has really made me wanna track down the other Forza Albino releases too, Black Dog is the shit. If anyone here has em', do they have a similar sound as Black Dog?

The Infestation 12" on PI is pretty solid, same style and sound as Black dog, perhaps a bit more clear in sound

TS

Quote from: Sektion1 on October 27, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: TS on October 26, 2020, 09:16:02 PM
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on October 26, 2020, 05:52:38 PM

I've heard of Lilya 4 Ever but never seen it, from my understanding though it's a good reference point for what I was talking about. I'm sure a still from that film is the cover of Prurient's Cocaine Death, which was obviously a huge influence on this. I'd even give the same rationale as I gave in my last post for my enjoyment of Cocaine Death and Bermuda Drain.

It's well worth seeing, despite some unfortunate Rammstein here and there. You're right about Cocaine Death. Killer album! However, this is getting off topic. To get back on it: this thread has really made me wanna track down the other Forza Albino releases too, Black Dog is the shit. If anyone here has em', do they have a similar sound as Black Dog?

The Infestation 12" on PI is pretty solid, same style and sound as Black dog, perhaps a bit more clear in sound

Had a brief listen on the tubes. Sounds good! And fairly cheap too. Thanks!
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FreakAnimalFinland

It is not often I see labels announcing they quit. Most often seems to just fade away, or be on slow burn for years. Posh Isolation announced some days ago that after 16 years label is done. Artists will keep creating sound, but label is no more.

Discussing with friends about it, and was a bit surprised how most do not have much from this label. I happened to be on the right time, right place and probably have almost everything from first releases until about 2016 but then 2017 onwards, musically a lot of material and changing aesthetics wasn't really my taste. Plus way it was distributed, didn't really mean I would end up getting stuff or listen to it.

Looking at discography now, there are a lot of good items in discography and of course I am sure some of the stuff might not be intended for more than for that moment. Quickly sold out tapes. It is still curious to see how people will remember the label as it has so different vibe, depending what years you are looking at.
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Cranial Blast

I just picked up a tape recently by this black metal/punk band called Jackman and noticed Posh Isolation is the label for this tape, outside of this one tape, I can't say I've heard much from this label. I did enjoy that tape though, found it to be quite good!

Theodore

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Yes, at some point they made a U-turn regarding label's style. Not bad music, but less and less noise till I lost any interest and stopped following.

I had sent a nude for the Wild Palms tape. Unfortunately my modeling career ended there. Noone gives me tapes for nudes anymore.

Edit: To answer the question: When you deliver something different than what you used to, you will not be remembered well in general although that may be not fair. But, broken promises ...
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Penon

Posh Isolation had a huge impact on me but yes, their U-turn meant there was less and less stuff that I enjoyed over time. However, because of quality of early releases, I kept checking each and every release of theirs as they were coming out until last day, in a hope that something "old school" would pop up. But it stopped popping up 6-7 years ago.

Going through first half of Posh Isolation journey, there are a lot of modern noise / power eleectronics classics. Many projects involved two label founders, many didn't. Damien Dubrovnik, Puce Mary, LR, F. E. Denning, Vanity Productions, Forza Albino etc. All very industrial. They even did a tape of Kommando R.J.F.
The first release I came across was Port Out, Starboard Home 2xTape compilation (2012). It has a lot of the above names some songs already hint at the direction of travel for the future, but mainly industrial / noise.

Then they turned into experimental electronics in mid-2010s. It was still weird, and noisy, and atonal. Check out I Could Go Anywhere But Again I Go With You (2017) digital compilation to get a sense. Still really good.

But after that they seemed to turn the label and roster into this very unique combination of alternative rave, and post-rave detox chillout music. Unfortunately, this is not of interest for me, and not sure if change of direction contributed to their exit or unrelated. From the outside it looked like they had an incredibly loyal following with this new direction, so news are kind of a surprise.
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Marcellehanged

Since the classic days of PI are long over, who are the new artists, if any, that could stand with the best of PI?

k.p.g

Quote from: Cranial Blast on February 11, 2025, 02:00:14 AMI just picked up a tape recently by this black metal/punk band called Jackman and noticed Posh Isolation is the label for this tape, outside of this one tape, I can't say I've heard much from this label. I did enjoy that tape though, found it to be quite good!

Jackman was a great project.  I did not realize this label put those recordings out.

Honestly, outside of the aforementioned project and one great Alleypisser tape, I don't see much appeal from this label for my taste.  Still, it is a bummer to see a label shuddering anytime it does.  It is a thankless job to try and run something that is essentially a curation of your personal taste. 
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urall

I just went through their discogs page and was surprised they had actually released so much stuff, so in hindsight i only own just a small portion of their releases : Puce Mary, Broken Lights, Ashley C, Alleypisser, Händer Som Vårdar, Jakob Kirkegaard...
But i think there's only one record on rotation occasionally still here and that's the Vanessa Amara "You're welcome here". Absolute wonderful. Might be a good moment to pull out the old tapes again though.