WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST

Started by WCN, October 18, 2021, 11:45:20 PM

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Theodore

Yeah, thanks Oskar. The public version felt too short and incomplete, and especially for such interviews with legendary groups / people i think it is a wise decision the whole thing be publicly available. - Also thanks to people who support so the rest of us enjoy too. I understand this work demands time and dedication, even more since it is consistent in schedule, and i am glad that people who can they support it. - For me it's more about financial insecurity. Have my basic needs covered but above that no steady income. Can have a lot this month, nothing the next one. Also the habit, to spend my extra money on releases, i havent ever subscribed to anything.

Didnt watch the full episode yet -i tried yesterday but my internet connection is very unstable the last few days, comes and goes- , but seeing Club Moral in their home i immediately thought about their collection, if they still have it, what treasures it would certainly have. I would like a visit in that room and a display of some selected items.
"ἀθάνατοι θνητοί, θνητοὶ ἀθάνατοι, ζῶντες τὸν ἐκείνων θάνατον, τὸν δὲ ἐκείνων βίον τεθνεῶτες"

Bigsby

#691
Great discussion on variety of significant topics: use vs promotion (in terms of early industrial iconography); image & act;  the sense of time & place in authentic transgressive art; the anti-commercial heart of industrial art;  organic vs conceptual performance; systematic aesthetics; the idea that the artist is not obligated to defend their work; working vs. producing work;  old CM projects /new projects . Endlessly provocative talk!

 If i understand,  amvk is  not & never was impressed  with Whitehouse?  😂
Also, i think an orthinologist does actually want to be a bird-  i think the suggestion is that  b/c CM was rooted in art, while Whitehouse was rooted in rock and roll, the latter's misogyny, for example, was presented as authentic.


WCN

#692
I'm flattered and honored that something I'm making is being appreciated and considered something that "as many people as possible should be able to see," though this is of course primarily due to my subjects. I do find the recurring comments and discussion on the ethics of a "paywall" in my case curious. I never see any serious adults publicly suggesting that Special Interests or Rocker zines have some inherent obligation to be uploading their great contents that they work hard on for free to the internet, or criticizing them for potentially turning a profit through their efforts. If you want to read what's in the magazine, you have to buy it - simple as that. It feels a bit like teenagers who whine to get on guest lists of their friends' shows because they can't stand shelling out $10 at the door. If this were 10+ years ago, I might be releasing DVD boxsets full of 2 hour video interviews and charging whatever that costs, but instead I'm uploading them to the internet on a weekly basis for a rather light subscription fee.

Believe it or not, but the preparation and execution of each interview, then editing and mixing the 2+ hour video, then uploading it in various formats to various platforms, amounts to full-time-job hours. There are recurring monthly costs in platform and software fees. The Club Moral episode in particular cost me an additional several hundred Euros in travel costs and a secondary mic set up I needed. It's obviously my decision to do all of this, and I love doing it, but I got tired of grinding my ass off each week, uploading it for free, and then constantly rattling my cup, begging the "scene" to donate to support the product that they heavily praised. Especially since having a kid, my time and money is no longer to be played with, so I've take the responsibility of simply placing a fair price on it, instead of constantly trying to convince my friends and colleagues to "help me out." The free episodes are for newcomers and casual followers. I do think everyone who is truly interested should see these, and I know some people simply can't afford it, but in many cases if you're refusing to pay €5/month towards a weekly in-depth noise video interview series, it either means I'm not making it good enough, which is a challenge I continually embrace, or you're refusing out of principle, which I can't respect. Nowadays with digital content, streaming, youtube etc., people are used to everything being free because they are paying with big money advertisements and their data. Well, I don't make any money off those things. Things cost time and money to make, that's why you have to pay for them, and in my case we're not talking about getting rich. On the other hand, I do receive strong support from a lot of people who get it, but interestingly enough, a lot of my personal friends and closer contacts are missing from the list. It just seems that the closer someone is to you, or the more independent, the easier it is to undervalue and undercompensate what they do. I can vaguely understand the stubborn stigma around a paywall, but Patreon really is the best way you can directly support an independent operation like this in 2024.
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

FreakAnimalFinland

It is all true, but also sort of reality of the game. Almost entire internet has been struggling how to make digital content profitable and sustainable. Many podcast makers are selling the support merch, advertising vitamin supplies and casinos, whatever to make it worth of investing their time OR simply enabling to do it in first place.
Situation that we have used to free things, is partially also due nature of the original internet. Idea what it was, plus also what subcultures created online. Even starting from hacker ethos, that has colored many things in early internet. And partially still does today. To change that huge element in nature of internet is not easy.

If one happen to be customer buying WCN releases, basically there is patreon discounts for physical goods that are significant enough that that probably makes patreon pretty much free. You may save more on CD's than you spend on subscription. At least pretty close?

My perspective is easy to explain, I have no spotify. Never ordered netflix, hbo or whatever. No memberships in audiobook service. No subscriptions to newspapers or such. I am not opposed to paying, in fact, probably pay MORE, in form of not listening bandcamp and youtube, but buying actual physical media and zines, books etc. Sure I have seen stuff from such services, but if its up to me, wouldn't be subscriber.

It is always the annoying part to be the seller many of us experience: You got LP, they want CD. You have CD, they want LP or tape. Even if it would feel logical to just convince kid today, you just buy the turntable or cd player and continue from there... many will not. Podcast format has some of related challenges. How to acknowledge the audience who is into the sound, but do not have turntable and unlikely to get one.. what could be done or would one just accept this will be heard by 100 people who pay for it? For music albums, does work out fine. Especially if one is simply doing it as personal pursuit, not as act trying to reach maximum amount of people and offer exactly what buyer wants. Or should one upload it for free streaming too? Does free listening mean less buyers? Or... more?
For documentation, it could be assumed 500 views vs 5000 views, despite latter is not paying subscribers, it could be something that "benefits" over longer period of time. My former "criticism" is not so much about the paywall itself, considering evaluation what part is good to be there. Some people have mentioned it tends to be that the best content is behind paywall, and more casual warm up discussion for public. But like with album, one tends to release hit single first, to get people to buy the rest. I would assume the die hard paying audience wants it all anyways, but most likely brings more subscribers if thousands gets exposed to best parts of interviews and may tell to even their friends to check it out. I may not be subscriber, but it must be hundreds, thousands of people who I encouraged to check it out and make decision.
E-mail: fanimal +a+ cfprod,com
MAGAZINE: http://www.special-interests.net
LABEL / DISTRIBUTION: FREAK ANIMAL http://www.nhfastore.net

WCN

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on August 19, 2024, 09:48:16 AMMy former "criticism" is not so much about the paywall itself, considering evaluation what part is good to be there. Some people have mentioned it tends to be that the best content is behind paywall, and more casual warm up discussion for public. But like with album, one tends to release hit single first, to get people to buy the rest. I would assume the die hard paying audience wants it all anyways, but most likely brings more subscribers if thousands gets exposed to best parts of interviews and may tell to even their friends to check it out. I may not be subscriber, but it must be hundreds, thousands of people who I encouraged to check it out and make decision.

Perhaps worth reevaluating and refining, but I just want to put something honest and of quality out there and have it be respected for what it is. All of the marketing strategies, cliffhangers, and whatever else necessary to make people crave supporting is a part of the game I really wish I didn't have to play.
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

WCN

Out now on WCN TV: Following up last week's episode with CLUB MORAL, we have the chance to tour DDV and AMVK's machine shop and home studios in Antwerp, and they share their recent work with us.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/wcn-tv-premium-110393038
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

Moran

#696
Quote from: WCN on August 19, 2024, 02:21:26 PMPerhaps worth reevaluating and refining, but I just want to put something honest and of quality out there and have it be respected for what it is. All of the marketing strategies, cliffhangers, and whatever else necessary to make people crave supporting is a part of the game I really wish I didn't have to play.
Because you make so much of the content available for free, this sets up the expectation, for some, that the free interviews won't cut off the important parts. So when said people encounter the "cliffhangers" they feel frustrated about the content hidden behind payments. I don't hear as much complaining about podcasts that make clear that they're mainly intended for paid subscribers by not releasing more than short previews for free, but this approach wouldn't reach as many people as your current approach.

FreakAnimalFinland

Noisextra extra tends to be done in a way that it doesn't cut in middle of conversation, but more like when interview is done, there is the additional part, "lets hop on to patreon side and discuss best 80's industrial tapes" -type of thing.
In Finland bunch of podcast use about the same way.
I am sure most podcast makers are trying to find the balance how to get the NEW listeners and how to arrange finances that making podcast is sustainable. To make everything free would require sidebusiness, using podcast as means of advertising. Putting big part of things behind paywall will most often mean after some time, new guys might not even know podcast exists. Quite in ways of those labels who put physical stuff you need to know exists, and got to remember to go straight to the source to order it and keep eye on it. For some it may work, but I know a lot of guys who mention they never get orders and a lot of it has to do that how they operate, simply doesn't reach people in ways it could generate growing interest. Of course, hypothesis, and like I mentioned, Oskar sees the stats and results, so he may see what works and what doesn't.

As example, Bardo Methodology, that has been one of the best metal magazines, is doing way less of physical releases, simply as printing, shipping and overall logistics involved in it, are so consuming. Nowadays most of content is online, partially behind paywall. You'll be halfway to interview and you got button "read the rest". Monthly fee can be as low as... was it 3 euros. This small support enable man to do what he does and apparently it does create more than paper magazine. There are plenty of content there and writing is the very best that there exists. Needless to say, like a bozo, I am begging man to put out compilation book of the content, as reading long features from screen is something I very rarely do. I would think proper book would sell great. He probably knows subscription is more of "2024".
E-mail: fanimal +a+ cfprod,com
MAGAZINE: http://www.special-interests.net
LABEL / DISTRIBUTION: FREAK ANIMAL http://www.nhfastore.net

Svartvit

Quote from: Theodore on August 17, 2024, 03:20:38 PM...seeing Club Moral in their home i immediately thought about their collection, if they still have it, what treasures it would certainly have. I would like a visit in that room and a display of some selected items.
A Club Moral exhibition I visited in Antwerp a few years ago had this collection on display, indeed many treasures and often even multiple copies of such rarities.

WCN

Quote from: Svartvit on August 20, 2024, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: Theodore on August 17, 2024, 03:20:38 PM...seeing Club Moral in their home i immediately thought about their collection, if they still have it, what treasures it would certainly have. I would like a visit in that room and a display of some selected items.
A Club Moral exhibition I visited in Antwerp a few years ago had this collection on display, indeed many treasures and often even multiple copies of such rarities.
In the studio tour video I posted yesterday, you can see several boxes of tapes and media next to his 3D printer, which he told me is the CLUB MORAL archive. I'm kicking myself hard for not asking him to open it up and show me!
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

FreakAnimalFinland

I have vague memory of their "comeback".. can't really remember when exactly, but like they mentioned that no longer interested in dubbing tapes and all that, I have memory that I actually ordered tapes, that were originals - meaning, original covers, labels, but probably dubbed way later than the 80's... Don't remember was it 90's? Was it 00's?  Just remember there was a list of items that were still in stock, and this was probably before the Force Mental book came out (2010).

E-mail: fanimal +a+ cfprod,com
MAGAZINE: http://www.special-interests.net
LABEL / DISTRIBUTION: FREAK ANIMAL http://www.nhfastore.net

WCN

In honor of the new OCHU LP just released on WCN and his upcoming performance at Dominion of Flesh in Stockholm on Thursday, I've unlocked the documentation of his live set in Stockholm back in August 2022. Was Patreon Premium content beforehand:

https://youtu.be/rFr2jNWjx-0?si=PaDOtRWJNBb6ILZG

In-person interview with Love from OCHU here as well: https://youtu.be/3yLyQmvDkSo

New podcast episode with YELLOW TEARS on Monday
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

WCN

OUT NOW! Ryan, Frank and Jeremy of YELLOW TEARS on WCN Podcast

YELLOW TEARS is the infamous urological band and multimedia unit responsible for perverse industrial classics such as "The Pissmop" LP on Hospital Productions, live performances centered around gargling body fluids, and even a theme park, complete with a giant DIY water slide. Its members ran the Red Light District venue in Far Rockaway, NY, a pillar for the American underground extreme music scene, that they still operate to this day. All three members - Frank, Jeremy, and Ryan - were able to take the time to talk to me about their bizarre and unique universe in this episode of WCN Podcast.

Full episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/frank-jeremy-and-110816598

Part 1: https://youtu.be/GkT8ZMzI2ZI
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

Bigsby

#703
great episode about their inception, evolution, process, personalty. I think they say that at the core is the juxtaposition of the profane, not w/ the sacred, but w/ the mundane. Great stories too about long-running RLD.

 Interesting discussion on possibility of compassion in pe. I think the idea was that it can be done, with intent. This part made me think of con-dom's final work. Good job Oskar.

WCN

OUT NOW - Dwid Hellion of INTEGRITY / PSYWARFARE on WCN Podcast!

Dwid Hellion is a legend of extreme music, simultaneously fronting the pioneering and genre bending hardcore band INTEGRITY and terrorizing audiences with his extreme noise unit PSYWARFARE. Dwid was responsible for bringing his interests in the extreme and obscure into hardcore, and his personal life walked dangerously close to that edge from a young age. Dwid has been around the block and has a lot of stories to tell, and is still heavily active with both projects. He was kind enough to have me at his home in Ghent, Belgium, where we conducted this interview.

Part 1: https://youtu.be/HHRrNQxSOmw
Full episodes: https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/