WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST

[WCN]

Episode 20 out now featuring Roman Leyva of SLIT THROATS, PLAGUE MOTHER and HARH TRUTHS podcast!

https://youtu.be/fNxoWss67b8
https://youtu.be/fNxoWss67b8
https://youtu.be/fNxoWss67b8

[Bloated Slutbag]

I remember seeing Caroliner play at a first Saturday at a museum back in 2008, place was packed full of hipsters and art folks. the other groups on the bill just got pushed out, never ended up playing. But Caroliner started playing and suddenly there were only like 25 or 30 people left of the 500+ or so that had been there, much better evening instantly.

The most dramatic iteration of this I've personally born witness to was at a corporate (NTT) sponsored outdoor media-arts event. Absolutely packed, I'd estimate 3000 or more, couldn't get anywhere near the action. Merzbow comes on and suddenly I'm walking against a stream of people beelining in the opposite direction. Remember standing right in front of a massive speaker stack, the body literally shaking with the intense sound pressure, sharing the space with literally one or two other dudes, one of whom I recognized as a regular Incaps goer.

[Bloated Slutbag]

Just got through The Rita and serendipitously found-

Zone Nord -- Marche Noir/Denrees Diverses LP (private, 1983)
The word that comes to mind is ROUGH. The HNW freaks would probably dig this one a lot, with it's heavy crunchiness and delightful single-mindedness, hellbent for sonic destruction. The sound does not appear to be layered, but rather a pretty "simple" recording yet with undeniable power. Hard to find pressing of 286 copies. Why hasn't this been reissued yet?

Yeah.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Episode 20 out now featuring Roman Leyva of SLIT THROATS, PLAGUE MOTHER and HARH TRUTHS podcast!

https://youtu.be/fNxoWss67b8

It's good episode again. Of course tough coming after The Rita piece, if listener will think "oh, this wasn't as good as last one".. Just like with doing zine, the challenge is often accepting that it would be impossible task of always coming with best issue. One after another. Just can't be done.

Roman mentions the long email received from me, about the remark he made about SI forum. I don't think message was unusually long, compared to what I write on forum. The feedback I write here, I sometimes forward to some artists. I recall I cut & pasted what I wrote on the forum, like I tend to comment a lot of podcast episodes and albums.

I've been told many people do not get more than thumbs up in social media and all they do kind of falls into void of silence.  So I do send some reviews or comments directly to artists or podcast makers. I did add few things that would be meant more personal, so it is not just spamming forum content on his email, hah.. But basically it is:

click link to go to old topic

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click link to go to old topic

I did suggest to him that it would be nice, if he would just briefly explain his angle he is coming from and then make the conclusions he does. Of course we can guess it, but it feels that it would benefit podcast itself. When there was frequently return to revolve around the same, but not saying anything specific. Instead there would be long monologues vaguely trying to discuss what is problematic in community and not really saying anything specific.

After feedback, one can check episode HT 19 where he explains some basic things.

This WCN episode has a bit of that in middle. It starts good, it ends good, but somewhere in the middle, there is this odd phase of half finished sentences, pauses and sighs, remarks of all sorts of things that remain quite unclear what is attempted to be said?  This is the oddity, like quite lengthy talk related to problems in content of noise, and it goes deep enough to talk about how it is nothing new, not a problem of last 5 years, but it exists since the birth of genre. (Sort of original sin perhaps!?) But... then listener is never said what are the problematic sides of noise he is referring to? It is odd, since it would take like 5 seconds to say "because of who I am, and maybe due my hardcore background, I find it little annoying how accepted is ___, __ and ___  in noise scene". Now we basically have to guess what they are talking about.
It could be sexism, trumpist incels etc, but it may be something related to men associating with wolves, amazon prime skinheads and evola? haha. But I guess it is not easiest spot to be in front of webcam and.. explain your views in clear sentences.

In episode there are some decent talk about noise, noise scene, social capital existing in genre (although I am sure that is fairly marginal), personal relationship being shifted into kind of capitalist interaction, and so on. Some of these could have been expanded further as it would have been vastly more interesting than where clearly unable to talk about specifics.

I do agree with Oskar, that more noise podcasts would be good.  Even with more than weekly things to check out, I do hunger to hear other peoples ideas behind their work. Harsh Truths dealt with things from different angle than the others, so it certainly has a place there, if situation in world returns to possibility of face-to-face interviews.

[brutalist_tapes]

the guy has clearly got a problem with power electronics as a genre and it seems he is on a kind of crusade against it. but it seems he is very focused on newer american power electronics, i could be wrong, but i never connected power electronics to 4chan losers who supported a neoliberal capitalist like trump, i would like to think that people into power electronics are smarter and have a more critical and nuanced view on art or life than that, but maybe it's because i'm from europe. i have no problem with "safe" communitarian/collectivist harsh noise about cute topics like japanese women or similar, but i must admit it doesn't interest me at all, but yeah, my perspective on noise and PE is obviously different, i always connected it to "dark"/"forbidden"/transgressive topics that the artist not necessarily supports himself, but "researches". well programmed synths and well placed offensive samples over contact mic in hand rumble that shouldn't pretend to be better than others "radio noises" for me any day, but to each his own. also i wonder if macronympha and skin crime gets a pass? macronympha did white music and whorechestra for example, also the picture in the pittsburgh record... skin crime did whorebutcher. also taint. are they trumpist incels in his view? i would like to know. as freak animal said, it's quite unclear who and what he is talking about, he should just name names if he really is serious about cleaning his scene or whatever (a very hardcore-ish approach indeed)

[WCN]

I'm not going to speak for Roman or try to unpack everything he said or you guys think he meant, but my understanding is the central thing that he and we were talking about and criticizing was not related to content or personal politics in noise/PE, but rather politics of how people involved in the "scene" or "community" or whatever you want to call it interact with each other.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I'm not going to speak for Roman or try to unpack everything he said or you guys think he meant, but my understanding is the central thing that he and we were talking about and criticizing was not related to content or personal politics in noise/PE, but rather politics of how people involved in the "scene" or "community" or whatever you want to call it interact with each other.

Yes, that seemed to be big part of it, which I considered to be the interesting part of it. My comment above was describing why I send feedback to Harsh Truths back in 2020. That was meant to give details to those who may be listening now.

I don't think there is necessity to defend himself. Like said, all in all interview WTC was very good.

[brutalist_tapes]

maybe i was just reading too much into it after seeing the guys instagram. he's obviously a joker, so i take it with a grain of salt regardless. and of course no need to defend yourself, even though my suspicion still is he probably isn't the biggest PE fan haha, but no problem at all.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

how people involved in the "scene" or "community" or whatever you want to call it interact with each other.

There is something in this (what I formerly mentioned just as decent talk) what could see worthy of even making topic of its own.

Roman is talking on this episode for example about people these days saying they have brand. There is so much of talk revolving around instagram, and as I'm not in there, I have fairly limited exposure to noise on IG. His conclusion included that people are leaning towards kind of expectation of having followers? Some sort of self importance? I am not sure to what extent idea of IG influencer should be applied to noise. We certainly know, that when you read review or recommendation by guy you trust to have taste, you may try to grab things. Many times in context of UG, its not the business transaction that includes "influencer" to get slice of income. It's more like UG fanzine tradition, where you tell to others, and others will interact with someone else. That is like core of underground networking. People pointing direction to others where to find something.

What Roman describes in one of the moments in the podcast, is the "IG influencer" way, where person feels important, just for being what s/he is. And because of that, everybody should follow and buy things.

I have noticed some of it, where people do seem to have very calculated idea what must be presented. Or they use certain method, not to be involved, but kind of above the crowd? Posting adverts, not following anything. Selling things, not buying. Playing gigs, but not watching other artists play. And so on. Missing interaction, where only dialogue happens in forms of providing kind of ...cautiously managed brand?

He talks about this connecting to worries about losing customers, friends, peers, etc. if the approach is broken, by merely presenting opinion or engaging into discussion about something.

It would be curious to hear from people, who are sort of.. trapped in this? One approach is, that of course it might be simply energy saving to stay out of drama and focus on what is important (like doing good noise). But how often it is merely based on being entrapped into idea that one can't be upsetting the "potential customer" or ruining opportunities?

I mean, it doesn't take that much to criticize ugliness of noise. But how difficult it was even for Roman to bring up the issues with that one hyped label. Everybody would be watching that trainwreck and nobody could say shit because trans people and social media tends to be explosive mix and it may not be good to be one who asks couple legit questions.

Can be split into another topic if seems necessary.

[[MBD]]

Can be split into another topic if seems necessary.

This would also be a great topic to go into with more depth on the podcast, it's a long and difficult topic to fully unpack.

[WCN]

I'd like to, and will try to, ideally with a guest to discuss it with. I did a private episode of Noise On The Run recently for supporters where I scratch the surface with these topics.

[WCN]

Episode 21 of WCN Podcast with Alex Kmet of CLIMAX DENIAL out now!

https://youtu.be/h4-6GNWh7oE
https://youtu.be/h4-6GNWh7oE
https://youtu.be/h4-6GNWh7oE

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Perhaps a bit technical issue.. or the slower delivery, this one had unusual amount of both guys talking over eachother, hah. Of course it is not ruining anything, but seems like long distant calls do have few seconds delays and one isn't entirely sure if one had stopped talking or not?

Climax Denial perhaps good start to get some more "industrial" things between the harsh noise. I think he did open good possibilities for further discussion. Like when comparing what C.D. says his method is vs. what Keith / Taint & Mania has mentioned his approach being. In short, C.D. would describe his sound creation sessions being quite taxing and exhausting, as it is mentally being there. One can listen his interview to hear how he describes the session. Anyways, Keith had mentioned that in moment of sound creation, there is no anger or such emotions. Topics can be what they are, but its relation to sound is different. Alex also mentioned that its not really question that one would be better or worse, just different ways to approach.
I lean vastly stronger to direction what Keith has. I do not feel hate and anger, disgust or any sort of "dark" emotions (at least what I would consider such) in moment of creating my work. For me, noise ain't kind of catharsis or temporary emotion. It is creation based on who you are. I don't need to "get angry", to think certain ways, or "be provocative" to deal with or be interested in certain things that exists in the world. Expressions is what it is, because artist is what it is. Therefore there is no need for mood or specific state of mind. He can be just what he is. Creation may be energetic loud noise bliss, undercurrent of personality is there without necessity to present it like enactment of emotions.  Those who do it, I don't mind. Like Alex says, I think its not question which is better which is worse approach, they are just different.


I personally don't think the vile power electronics has become less dominant or less popular. It just feels that sub-genre thinking is something that will proceed further and further, and therefore people will basically see the stuff they are surrounded by. And as addition, as I mentioned many times, social media is barely place where one can push explicit content. I am not surprised that people would not be exposed to nasty PE, if their experience of genre happens via platforms where such material can't really exist and where it is swiftly cleaned away.

[GenitalStigmata]

also i wonder if macronympha and skin crime gets a pass? macronympha did white music and whorechestra for example, also the picture in the pittsburgh record... skin crime did whorebutcher. also taint.

https://youtu.be/REKYfU5hTUw

I can't speak on the others, but it's seemingly very clear Roemer isn't entirely what people think he is.

[brutalist_tapes]

also i wonder if macronympha and skin crime gets a pass? macronympha did white music and whorechestra for example, also the picture in the pittsburgh record... skin crime did whorebutcher. also taint.

https://youtu.be/REKYfU5hTUw

I can't speak on the others, but it's seemingly very clear Roemer isn't entirely what people think he is.

oh dude, i never thought that roemer was right wing, or skin crime or taint from that matter (keith was a libertarian i think i read..? but whatever) my point was more if it's even allowed writing/creating about certain topics anymore. wasn't slogun also attacked? he doesn't seem very right wing either. but i think i misunderstood the roman dude a bit, so nevermind.