WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST

Started by WCN, October 18, 2021, 11:45:20 PM

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Fistfuck Masonanie

#315
A couple of responses to some older episodes I've been sitting on.

Ted Byrnes
I REALLY enjoyed this one but feel like I'm a super micro niche audience member who is also a drummer and got into noise after being in the musical world before. I understood all of his references and I'm sure it was too specific for other folks to follow during certain discussions about specific drummers, etc. I didn't see a lot of other feedback on this one, so just wanted to throw in that his perspective was interesting and much appreciated from my own personal angle. Also, funny because there have been other mentions regarding a lot of drummers entering noise as another form of expression, but haven't seen a lot of discussions on the subject specifically that have explored detail.

Kate - Noise Widow
I LOVED this episode and thought Kate's perspective from an outsider's point of view was very poignant and hilarious. It was a nice break from the usual artist interview and provided a welcomed alternative narrative to the podcast. More of this! I'm not sure how exactly but something to explore and ponder.

Theodore

Thanks ! Hans Krusi it is, definetely. Description matches exactly. - Ju Suk most likely too. I didnt catch the name at all, but that's how it was described.
"ἀθάνατοι θνητοί, θνητοὶ ἀθάνατοι, ζῶντες τὸν ἐκείνων θάνατον, τὸν δὲ ἐκείνων βίον τεθνεῶτες"

WCN

Out now: LABEL SPILL: Noise Label 101

First episode of a new series called LABEL SPILL discussing the ins and outs of running a noise label - the mechanics, trade secrets, and some of my personal opinions on how it's done. In this episode, I start with the basics, and answer some questions that people asked over instagram. I'm looking forward to hearing your questions for the next episode!

Short trailer here: https://youtu.be/7N6yjzva7K4

Full episode on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

WCN

Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

FreakAnimalFinland

Good. For those who have been around for a while, a lot of things feel like utterly obvious. Just things you think absolutely everybody knows, but soon turns out that as simple thing as "tape label" is for a lot of (younger) people something they just really found out about and give it a try, without knowing what it really takes. Especially these days.

I think one thing what should be underlined, that as much as one can and should listen good advices, there is also element of conformity in it. You can do label well "by the book", so to say, but there is absolutely possible, and even mandatory to break that conformity. When you got friends and other labels bosses saying, "It can't be done", "this is not going to work out", or other type of talking sense, sometimes it is exactly the senseless what will put the label as topic of noise folklore.

One may think things like MERZBOX. Think era when CD's were expensive and difficult to make, and one label thinks 50xCD box of Merzbow should be done. Now, that would be almost like routine batch thing. Why not. Why not 100xCD box! But back then, idea of 50xCD box priced at 500+, I would assume most said its not going to work out.
Or who would have come up with something like MSBR Records early works. Where you gonna sell them? Who's gonna buy them? Make no sense. But now, its like one of things that define noise as genre.
Examples could go on and on. But also when not being about obscurity, but about attempt to popularize noise. We got just about everybody saying the ceiling of noise release is like... 100? 200? 300? If you would have guy saying he'd about to press 500 or 1000 copies, we all most likely would say it is senseless. But in other hand, it really ain't. On Freak Animal there are multiple releases that have moved about 1000 copies. Of course it takes years to do it, but it is doable in some cases. What may seem senseless to every "noise scene label", may suddenly absolutely make sense when you step out of the smallest core of devotees and start to reach more random buyers who are not noise hoarders, but would like to get good noise CD one in a while, if it was priced nicely and available in place where you repeatedly just see it. For many noise labels this would seem senseless. Why have your CD at record store where some old rock'n'roll buyers are looking for Rolling Stones represses? It might be senseless, but in other hand, we just might be so stuck in "how it is supposed to be", that the other way of doing it is beyond imagination.
That is something I urge for. I don't know how many more labels one needs to have bandcamp, IG and publish same acts as the other label with bandcamp and IG? So one could realize even is 2022, you got options.
E-mail: fanimal +a+ cfprod,com
MAGAZINE: http://www.special-interests.net
LABEL / DISTRIBUTION: FREAK ANIMAL http://www.nhfastore.net

WCN

#320
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 19, 2022, 09:59:39 AM
I think one thing what should be underlined, that as much as one can and should listen good advices, there is also element of conformity in it. You can do label well "by the book", so to say, but there is absolutely possible, and even mandatory to break that conformity. When you got friends and other labels bosses saying, "It can't be done", "this is not going to work out", or other type of talking sense, sometimes it is exactly the senseless what will put the label as topic of noise folklore.
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We got just about everybody saying the ceiling of noise release is like... 100? 200? 300? If you would have guy saying he'd about to press 500 or 1000 copies, we all most likely would say it is senseless. But in other hand, it really ain't.

You're right about conformity, which to me goes hand in hand with the advice I gave about not obsessing over "breaking even" in the beginning. Of course this, and any, advice encourages some kind of conformity in itself, but so many great and lasting releases and general noise-undertakings came from people just saying "fuck it" and following an inspired idea that might be considered financial suicide if logically assessed beforehand. By the same token though, I think certain kinds of "business minded" approach could potentially have interesting and transcendent effects, in terms of reaching a wider audience. "Pulse Demon" CD being available in the Walmart catalog is one example that comes to mind, but that's pretty old school. There are many more that present themselves in the current technological and economic landscape, but they should be explored with caution in my opinion.

The 100-300 edition size is almost an inside joke to me at this point, quite outdated as a standard. The last few years have shown that if you are producing quality releases and make an effort to promote and distribute them widely, the amount that can move is much higher. The appetite for noise has been growing wider and wider I think, and most serious and unique labels have felt this. Numerous recent WCN CDs have been pressed in editions of 500 and sold out from me within a year, which in 2016 for example I would have considered an idiotic number to press. Like you said, expanding beyond the IG/bandcamp realm is key not only to "moving units" but for the music to have a wider reach and impact. I think it's worth hitting all of the corners - distros big and small internationally, your own sales, trades, freebies, email lists, forums, podcasts, bandcamp, IG/social media, zines, brick and mortar shops, etc. etc. and any other random person or avenue that expresses an interest, don't take it for granted.
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

Eloy

Quote from: Theodore on October 05, 2022, 05:29:48 AM
Oskar, the idea of listing tops / recommendations in the description of the video is very good and would be very useful. Especialy for us with poor understanding of english, when unfamiliar / not well known artists are mentioned even a Discogs search doesnt help.
There is this list on Discogs with all the artists/groups mentioned by the interviewees:

https://www.discogs.com/lists/WCN-Podcast-Guests-Favorite-Noise-and-related-releases/1106918

Theodore

Quote from: Eloy on October 21, 2022, 01:06:26 PM
https://www.discogs.com/lists/WCN-Podcast-Guests-Favorite-Noise-and-related-releases/1106918

Theodore - Dedicated To Those Who Are Still Willing To Do The Paperwork

Format: Text
Label: Nerd And Catalog - NERD&CATALOG-1
Country: Greece
Released: Oct 21, 2022
Genre: Non-Music
Style: Tribute, Parody
"ἀθάνατοι θνητοί, θνητοὶ ἀθάνατοι, ζῶντες τὸν ἐκείνων θάνατον, τὸν δὲ ἐκείνων βίον τεθνεῶτες"

Zeno Marx

Quote from: Eloy on October 21, 2022, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: Theodore on October 05, 2022, 05:29:48 AM
Oskar, the idea of listing tops / recommendations in the description of the video is very good and would be very useful. Especialy for us with poor understanding of english, when unfamiliar / not well known artists are mentioned even a Discogs search doesnt help.
There is this list on Discogs with all the artists/groups mentioned by the interviewees:

https://www.discogs.com/lists/WCN-Podcast-Guests-Favorite-Noise-and-related-releases/1106918
thanks for the link
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

WCN

Quote from: Eloy on October 21, 2022, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: Theodore on October 05, 2022, 05:29:48 AM
Oskar, the idea of listing tops / recommendations in the description of the video is very good and would be very useful. Especialy for us with poor understanding of english, when unfamiliar / not well known artists are mentioned even a Discogs search doesnt help.
There is this list on Discogs with all the artists/groups mentioned by the interviewees:

https://www.discogs.com/lists/WCN-Podcast-Guests-Favorite-Noise-and-related-releases/1106918

Huge thanks to whoever did this. There have been many requests for this and I know it would be helpful, but the seemingly small task has always felt extremely arduous for me when doing post production for an episode and I can never bring myself to do it, like it's the straw that will break the camel's back. I need an unpaid intern!
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

WCN

#325
Out now! Sam McKinlay of the highly influential harsh noise project THE RITA, joins me for a follow up to his March 2022 interview on WCN Podcast. In this 2.5+ hour conversation, we dig deep into a wide range of topics including recent commentary on texture and the future of harsh noise, his passion for extreme skiing, advice for newer artists, his favorite halloween horror films, just to name a few. Not to be missed!

This is a WCN TV series, only available at https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

WCN

Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/

Warfare Noise

Seems the bit where Sam responds to Stewart is behind the paywall.
Good marketing.

FreakAnimalFinland

Haha, well, I have already first time in my life actually visited patreon site. Now just have to adjust into actually getting account or however it works..
E-mail: fanimal +a+ cfprod,com
MAGAZINE: http://www.special-interests.net
LABEL / DISTRIBUTION: FREAK ANIMAL http://www.nhfastore.net

WCN

Harsh Noise label and EU based distro of American Imports
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/