Psychedelic Noise

Started by Andrew McIntosh, February 21, 2023, 01:45:52 PM

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Andrew McIntosh

Just picking up on Mikko's thoughts on the subject.

I like the idea of it, and think it probably does reflect more something that is more "atmospheric" - attributes I would suggest would be slower, swirlier, sludgier, spacier, echo and delay, a longer drawn out experience that feels like a trip.

I also like the idea of current Noise being part of a longer historical sound project that includes the extremes of Krautrock/Kosmiche, with all the synth and effected guitar type of sound creating that implies. We can definitely trace a lineage from that scene to early Industrial via NWW, MB, etc.

Large, cavernous sounds, invoking all the usual 60's/70's tropes of Satanic covens, Lovecraftian aliens, psycho bikie gangs - well, that last one is more for speed influenced fast Noise, really. Maybe the psycho bikie gangs relax in their time off by doing Satanic rituals under LSD. Or maybe just ripping the brain from the cranium like Lovecraft's Mi-Go, shoving it into a metal cylinder and flying it through aeons of space until it's joined with machinery to describe its experiences. The kind of Noise that evokes that.

And let's not forget how dismally the whole Age of Aquarius ended. The dream of peace and love getting the shit kicked and stabbed out of it at "pop" concerts, hippies turning very quickly into "the man", the flaccid reproduction of ephemera as consumer items. Lots of Noise potential there. 

Noise is meant to be a bit of a mindfuck anyway. But perhaps there's a distinction to be made between mindfuck and mindrape, or even mindoutrightslaughter, when it comes to how Noise makes us feel. Psychedelic Noise would be more in the former, more seductive category. The sexy hippy chick beckoning you to take the brown acid, telling you it's fine, everyone's doing it, don't be such a square. Whether you end up chundering over yourself and dying of exposure in a muddy field when the festival/party's over is up to you.
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Zeno Marx

I don't know how or what it is, but I know it when I hear it.  I'd like to hear more of it too.  In an age of bravado and machismo in the noise scene (pretty much ever-present, so maybe nothing to do with the times), if not simply an ignorance and/or indifference to other musics, it doesn't seem like it would be a likely virtue or priority.  "Shit isn't hard enough, man!"  Other than CCCC, and some Merzbow, maybe Haare is the only other name that comes to mind that pops up every time?  But while absent in spirit, I do get hints of it via recording techniques and production choice sometimes.  A pleasant consequence to accidenz.
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Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 21, 2023, 08:52:54 PM
In an age of bravado and machismo in the noise scene (pretty much ever-present, so maybe nothing to do with the times)

As I read this I am reminded that a lot of what gets termed "heavy electronics" (and rather less occasionally power electronics) often strikes these earholes as fairly drenched in deep-sunk enveloping pools of downright lysergic permutation. I do recall some sorry sod making comment to the effect back when Aube dropped his first disc on Alchemy [scroll down if interested, it's the last review], how easy it would be to imagine William Bennet doing his (willfully emasculating?) angry granny over the infinitely orbiting piercings on tap. A better sense of this might be obtained when referring to the occasional dabbles into vocal-less (or vocal light) work certain of these projects might occasionally offer. Some of Shift's earlier disconsolations (though Ruminations could also make the cut) or, say, the first morbid vibrations of Am Not.

Other avenues into psychedelia might be those honing in on fairly tightly constricted fields of sound, constant and cycling or spiraling returns that might provoke perceptually meditative austerity. And this would fairly blow the lid off the definition because any number of (harsh) noise projects have cycled into this territory at one point or another, perhaps more notably in live incarnation, fidelity duly absorbed into ozone depleted spheres of lost decibels. On some level, as certain sorry sods have intimated at one time or another, Hasegawa gets everywhere. But I'd like to return to that previous term, austerity, because I often feel that it is in the more intensely focused fields of sound, a la Gody Fishing, that attention might necessarily be forced below the surface, into cycling non-patterns of overtones and undertones, with the potential to fool the puny noisebrain into divining some horrific-cum-ecstatic sense.

Resisting the monk-like paths to inner ecstasy-cum-hell, a third way might take a more macro approach, throwing all kinna shizzle at the 'holes to see what sinks, including but not limited to smudged and broken acoustic elements, scattered recordist fields, so on so  forth, to net something no less amorphous but also traversing a line that almost but never quite threatens to entertain a classically minded compositional disposition. Slacking and, more recently, Toanche Dwelling are perhaps two projects that seem to cross that line, if shifting the line some degrees into harsher territory simply by virtue of the more abrasive textures in play. This again would be blowing the lid off any specific definition, but might come together in that indeterminate space where fidelity or focus gets blurred by degrees at some remove from conscious appraisal of position or place, this third placed lysergic de-positioning of ear from hole if you will.

I haven't watched the Slacking episode yet, need to do that. Interested to see if the WCN discussion is completely at odds with this little ramble.
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FreakAnimalFinland

to keep topics together, this was my original post from WCN podcast comments

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 21, 2023, 10:14:12 AM
At one point there is talk about "psychedelic noise" and I think that discussion quickly goes into lack of definition, lack of terminology. I don't have enough experiences with Slacking material, and perhaps eventually will get more. So I don't really know how psychedelic his works in particular would feel.

Question seems interesting in noise, as what is really "psychedelic" in noise? I think the word gets usually thrown into, when there are elements we know of psychedelic music. Say, echo, delay, moog swirls, long almost hallusogenic properties in track durations where you can sink into.  As opposed to fast, short, brutal, in-your-face harshness.

However, it feels little odd term in noise, where most of stuff may have quality of expansion of consciousness, vibrate the reality, trigger non-ordinary mental states. Being unlike pop track, create realm of something else that has ability to transform known reality into.. some sort of good or bad trip?

In this case, it feels as if Slacking ain't at all the kind of "in tradition of psychedelic music". Like you can file CCCC into lineage of that. Early stages especially. It is still moog synth, bass, swirling electronics, all drenched into otherwordly echo that creates this illusion of something that is not really there. Small room or tiny speaker and result is still massive distant echoing realm as if it was some other dimension.

In case of noise, you could still ask would a lot of noise be "psychedelic". Not in terms of having quality that remind psychedelic music of early 70's, but taking it vastly further and not really caring what old psychedelic music was about. Also including the possibility of sheer horrors of bad trip. Unexplainable, horrid noise, hah...

I see there isn't really even topic for psychedelic noise on SI forum! Could be. As I have really no idea how most people see that word. Do they associate with psychedelic subculture of the 1960/70s, with its aesthetics and sonic qualities or perhaps really to the core of psychedelic experience, in mind manifesting something, sound evoking or documenting the unused potentials of the human mind. That could be also something unlike recycling late 60's visuals and nostagia?

Depending if there is discussion about this, it could be splitted into topic of its own.


In Finland, besides Haare, the absolute torch bearer or psychedelic noise is YKSI. His former tape felt more like harsh noise wall, but that was just gut feeling of clearly not paying attention enough to psychedelic qualities. Those are even more audible in this more recent tape on Satatuhatta.  https://satatuhatta.bandcamp.com/album/white-magic
It feels a bit like the "later phase of CCCC" - the more distorted and harsh - yet meditative, swirling unreal psychedelic works. Bandcamp sound ok, but material is vastly better when dubbed loud on tape! Extra punch and juice there. Very recommend. Full review will be in next SI magazine Finn noise 2022 report! Hopefully very soon!
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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 22, 2023, 08:57:33 AM
In Finland, besides Haare, the absolute torch bearer or psychedelic noise is YKSI. His former tape felt more like harsh noise wall, but that was just gut feeling of clearly not paying attention enough to psychedelic qualities. Those are even more audible in this more recent tape on Satatuhatta.  https://satatuhatta.bandcamp.com/album/white-magic
It feels a bit like the "later phase of CCCC" - the more distorted and harsh - yet meditative, swirling unreal psychedelic works. Bandcamp sound ok, but material is vastly better when dubbed loud on tape! Extra punch and juice there. Very recommend.

Very! It is actually, quite shockingly, good. Meaning, I didn't quite latch onto the shockingly good-ness of the project in the earlier tape, but then after hearing White Magic and having to contend with earholes duly scorched into abysses of lysergic bliss, had to go back to kosminen itse and reflect on the way the project has and hasn't progressed. All the elements are clearly there in the earlier going, but clearly cleanly cleaved, honed, to new peaks of psych-austerity-cum-wide-open chromium-plated phantasmagoria. Sorta thing.
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New Forces

Check out the works of Kyle Flanagan, particularly the "Purely Psychedelic" series or the recent CD. The upcoming Shredded Nerve CD will also satisfy (I think) the desire for this sort of sound.
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Krigsverk

Space Machine is worthy of a mention... snagged the Urashima vinyl box set and it is fantastic. I guess what makes things psychedelic to me is the echo/bleep-bloop qualities. I also really like Haare, even though that is a different kind of psy.

Andrew McIntosh

Would anyone else classify the Japanese project Nord as Noise? I think the albums "Ego Trip" and "LSD" are pretty hardcore, hard-edged sounding synth oscillations that qualify definitely as both psychedelic and Noise. Play them loud for full effect.
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FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 26, 2023, 09:05:14 AM
Would anyone else classify the Japanese project Nord as Noise? I think the albums "Ego Trip" and "LSD" are pretty hardcore, hard-edged sounding synth oscillations that qualify definitely as both psychedelic and Noise. Play them loud for full effect.

I think it is kind of noise by association?

Band has different line-up's, meaning the first LP is so old, that "NOISE" barely was scene yet. Formed already 1979, and 1981 LP is recording of decaying psychedelic industrial soundscapes.  Then duo split up in 1983 and both have made stuff as Nord after that. LDS and Ego Trip was done by Uchida, while many of other works, including Merzbow collabs and later works were done by Katayama.  Uchida's NORD, the mentioned two albums, certainly lean more to krautrock psychedelia, while earlier works has that element, but feels more dense, darker, industrial-noise related by aesthetic. Always psychedelic for sure, but I think a lot of Katayama material fits far more under "noise", even if it barely is harsh or abrasive.

Noise by association, I mean that Nord was featured for example Sexorama, Come Again II, Dedication II, Journey Into Pain and so on. Being on compilations of noise/experimental industrial with other bands associated with genre, it kind of automatically sets one part of such thing even if soundwise would not be as noisy as Japanese bands later on. I have a feeling, many Japanese guys rate Nord among the pioneers of Japanese noise. Pretty much as old as Hijokaidan, and putting some of the earliest vinyl albums, but perhaps due small discography, never really got the same attention as many Japanese artists.
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Andrew McIntosh

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 26, 2023, 10:11:28 AM
I think it is kind of noise by association?

"Noise in transition", maybe? That is - part of an historic connection between the more abstract elements of psychedelic music and Industrial?
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Into_The_Void

If it comes to "Psychedelic Noise", the only name which comes to my mind is Haare. If we talk about psychedelic / trippy elements in noise, then there is a wider choice... To the already mentioned I would add Shredded Nerve, there is a lot of "trip" in his compositions I think, due to the obsessive loops and controlled dynamic of different interlaced noises, delays, concrete sounds, distortion etc..
https://sabruxa.bandcamp.com/ (Industrial / ambient)

Strangecross

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what comes to mind for me is:
Nocturnal Emissions : drowning in a sea of bliss
Contagious Orgasm : from the irresponsible country sounds
Dilloway : after the showers

I think two different things are being discussed. There is the psychedelic genre, and then there is the actual definition, which I think  is more appropriate in the discussion of noise:
1. of or noting a mental state characterized by a profound sense of intensified sensory perception, sometimes accompanied by severe perceptual distortion and hallucinations and by extreme feelings of either euphoria or despair

2.of, relating to, or noting any of various drugs producing this state, such as LSD, mescaline, or psilocybin

3.characterized by images, sounds, or feelings resembling those experienced while in the altered state produced by psychedelic drugs

I would note that this is not limited to the 3 drugs used as an example

punishinglight

I tend to find the "psychedelic noise" genre appeals to low-dose trippers, with a "mind mush" mood that lends itself well to spacing out in a way that I associate with nootropics like adderall or Modafinil or low doses of mushrooms. Haare, Yksi, and Yana are great examples of this. Skullflower's side project Voltigeurs also has some tracks in this category, but for the most part they lean towards the heavier psych side with Skullflower and Coil releases like Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil.

Skullflower and Coil are -the- psychedelic noise explorers in my opinion, and my concept of what psychedelic noise is is based on the territory they charted. Side projects like Black Sun Roof and Voltigeurs are just BRISTLING with potent energy produced by gnosis of that state. Absolute Key is not quite as balls to the wall but I consider that very psychedelic in that it's obviously constructed from individual, personal experience of numinous exploration. Scatmother has also been nearing hitting that vibe with his latest releases like Vivitka and Sadotantra, just hard and fucking heavy modulation combined with potent concepts.

Leewar

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Ive always preferred listening to music NOT designed to be listened to on psychedelics, while tripping on psychedelics.

Firm favourites for a high dose mushroom trip in a candlelit room.

Throbbing Gristle - Assume power focus.
Metgumbnerbone - Dreun
Current 93 - Nature Unveiled

(and Death Odors 1-3)