I can see the points you're both making. I'm also torn personally. On the one hand I like the chaotic and unhinged, on the other I also enjoy the more composed stuff with rhythmic structures, synth riffs and melodies. I really do enjoy a well composed piece of industrial music. What I really dislike is wank. That is, things being there just for the sake of showing off (excessive soloing, jazzy shit and what not). Still, the John Murphy quote is decidedly rockist which I find funny coming from one of the fathers of experimental/industrial music. To a certain degree what makes noise great to me is how non-rockist, uncommunicative and devoid of ego and showboating and all that performative stuff it can be. Just sound. No meaning, no talent, no art, no message, no entertainment and zero fucking rock n' roll attitude. So I guess I have a foot in both camps, in a way, liking both the industrial side with all the "rockist" stuff like structures, compositions, shock tactics, stage antics and so on and the noise simply for the sake of noise. For the structured stuff it's probably a good thing to actually play the instrument whereas it might be the opposite for the unhinged stuff.