NOISE RELATED RANDOM TALK TOPIC

[Cranial Blast]

Discogs likes to hold their hand out for additional fees. It's quite strange to me when one pays for a domain to host an actual website or webstore and then you send promo cards despite it being a discogs order and try to encourage those to buy from your website, opposed to a discogs purchase to save them any extra costs, which isn't a huge savings, but some and they continue to buy from Discogs anyways... I think some people just want some sense of security, which is maybe understandable as seeing some distros don't deliver like they should. I cannot fathom the idea or mindset of a label or anyone "ripping" someone off as it's not a very lucrative thing to do in the first place, that's some low level type stuff and think such type of individual could be far more profitable by holding up a "help" sign up on the nearest off ramp, than not sending album in the mail or charging a crazy price for an album, to be realistic you can only charge so much, whatever that much is... will not turn you into Tony Montana, you'd be better off working a mundane job in all reality.

[acidiccow]

Sometimes I find the perfect soundbite but it's obviously not in the public domain. Do I just go for it anyway?

absolutely, i dont think anyone has gone after any pe artists over uncleared samples. use that which suits your art best! fuck the rest

[Cranial Blast]

Sometimes I find the perfect soundbite but it's obviously not in the public domain. Do I just go for it anyway?

absolutely, i dont think anyone has gone after any pe artists over uncleared samples. use that which suits your art best! fuck the rest

100% Agreed! It's not even a thing one should maybe ever think about... What's the worst than can happen? Aren't we all flying by the seat of our pants anyways?

[BatteredStatesofEuphoria]

i dont think anyone has gone after any pe artists over uncleared samples

Lee from Navicon Torture Technologies/Theologian had to scrub several tracks from the digital version of the NTT Pure Skin release due to the copyright holders coming after him over his use of a sample from the Underworld soundtrack.

Granted, pretty much the reason anyone even sent him a letter was because an ex essentially went and ratted him out, and his use of the sample was a prominent part of the tracks in question, rather than just a short soundbite, But he still had to deal with it.

In the end, it wasn't a big deal. He replied back truthfully that he never made any money on any of the music in question, and as said, removed the "offending" tracks from his bandcamp (although those track were both really good, so that was certainly unfortunate). And that was that.

So this might be the exception that proves the rule, perhaps, and it also might prove that its not a big deal to solve the problem, but it CAN happen. I'd certainly agree most pe/noise artists shouldn't worry too much about it.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I know metal bands who can't get the album tracks uploaded due having movies samples. So for digital versions, there was new mix where couple words had been deleted, otherwise same mix.
System will automatically detect these things in major platforms and it is taken down automatically. In youtube they allow it, but you can't use it for generating income. Bandcamp does say in the guidelines that copyrighted materian is now allowed without contract, so stuff could be removed. I don't think they have major company level system detecting it.

[urall]

The hc/punk band i played in had a small snippet of an interview with a movie director as an intro for our record, so no official 'recording' i guess, and that was still not approved to upload to streaming services. I left it it in for the bandcamp version though.

[Nolan]

Copyright detection algorithms on streaming services (not currently bandcamp to my knowledge) and occasionally YouTube might flag you and it usually just means the service blocks access.

Hip hop rarely gets hit with copyright infringements anymore unless a song sampled/ interpolated gets hugely popular. At most people get a cease and desist which doesn't lead to anything if you just take the material down.

[acidiccow]

i dont think anyone has gone after any pe artists over uncleared samples

Lee from Navicon Torture Technologies/Theologian had to scrub several tracks from the digital version of the NTT Pure Skin release due to the copyright holders coming after him over his use of a sample from the Underworld soundtrack.

Granted, pretty much the reason anyone even sent him a letter was because an ex essentially went and ratted him out, and his use of the sample was a prominent part of the tracks in question, rather than just a short soundbite, But he still had to deal with it.

In the end, it wasn't a big deal. He replied back truthfully that he never made any money on any of the music in question, and as said, removed the "offending" tracks from his bandcamp (although those track were both really good, so that was certainly unfortunate). And that was that.

So this might be the exception that proves the rule, perhaps, and it also might prove that its not a big deal to solve the problem, but it CAN happen. I'd certainly agree most pe/noise artists shouldn't worry too much about it.

thats actually pretty insane haha, i guess it makes sense that it has happened at least one time. really unlucky for him to have that bitter of an ex but im glad it was never a bigger problem than removing the tracks from bandcamp

[Cranial Blast]

I think it's kind of funny the copyright thing in terms of underground counter culture. It makes one wonder what could be the actual punishment, which is generally I'd imagine a fine of some sorts, but what does that mean to one who has nothing, how is one dividing or splitting a "0" up. Those who have nothing to lose financially speaking, then what could then be the deterrent? Unless they are going to blacklist someone from ever making any type of income with retroactive fines that stay in place forever, any short of that I don't see anyway any type of reprocussions could matter, perhaps I'm wrong, but generally when someone has "nothing" to go after in the first place, makes the fight unworth it in the grand scheme of things, unless like aforementioned there are guard rails to automatically stop copyright.

[BatteredStatesofEuphoria]

I think it's kind of funny the copyright thing in terms of underground counter culture. It makes one wonder what could be the actual punishment, which is generally I'd imagine a fine of some sorts

Generally, I think most times a copyright holder (or more accurately, their legal representation) demands a cut of the proceeds an artist has received from the work in question. This is usually accompanied by a request to take the work in question out of circulation, but can sometimes be negotiated to something like giving the original artist credit along with a cut. Fines and escalating legal action don't start to come into play unless the offending artist refuses or ignores the original request, and, even more importantly, the copyright holder has the will to pursue it.

The latter point would be key to most artists in this scene. When we're talking about pop stars with millions of dollars in sales, copyright holders have an incentive to go after a piece of that. Obviously, as alluded to and the NTT situation demonstrated, hardly anyone in this scene makes more than enough to maybe fund their next release, if even that. (Unless there are multibillionaires out there secretly moonlighting as PE artists? Maybe Geography of Hell is actually Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and Mark Zuckerberg??? I mean, no one's seen them at the same time as a GOH performance was taking place, right??!) Once the lawyers find out their target is just this side of dead broke, they pretty much go away.

That said, if you do get a request to take something down, you could probably ignore it, but its probably best to comply. You might not get sued, but you might be risking getting complaints lodged against you which could in turn lead to losing access to services like Bandcamp if they are important to you.