Women In Noise? Women Here??

Started by Minus1, June 25, 2025, 03:41:10 AM

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ritualabuser

Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 26, 2025, 01:07:37 AM
Quote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".

Didn't the Desolate Flesh project on the comp you put also also feature female vocals?  Or am I misremembering?

Was predominantly male vocals.

Balor/SS1535

Quote from: ritualabuser on June 27, 2025, 03:49:40 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 26, 2025, 01:07:37 AM
Quote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".

Didn't the Desolate Flesh project on the comp you put also also feature female vocals?  Or am I misremembering?

Was predominantly male vocals.

Sounds like I need to listen to it again as a refresher.  Very great material!

Theodore

Quote from: Strangecross on June 27, 2025, 12:36:37 AMI think a more interesting question could be- What are the noise-consumption habits of women?
We all know there are many women making noise, but how many, even of those who perform noise are actually buying this stuff? Sure they may get gifts, or pick something up very occasionally. I think in 15 years of noise I could count on one hand total female customers.

Good point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?
"ἀθάνατοι θνητοί, θνητοὶ ἀθάνατοι, ζῶντες τὸν ἐκείνων θάνατον, τὸν δὲ ἐκείνων βίον τεθνεῶτες"

Moran

If you were female (real) there are reasons to hide it on online forums. I know women are active in other noise-related online communities.

FreakAnimalFinland

I doubt forums are somehow worst thing out there for females.
There is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?", which sounded funny as hell when they were talking about it. Interviewer is telling how men come to criticize her live gear and recommending better synths. Hah.

While it is funny, I guess there is pretty frequent discussion how one should treat all sort of socially awkward, perhaps somehow "neurologally challenged" folks and even if it may get old pretty quick for females to get sort of autistic gear dudes (and such) approaching them, one would think that it may be clear most probably don't have malicious intent and one can cope with such situation exactly same ways as men do.

Most of my life, I knew "underground culture women". Very rarely I interact with so called normal folks. This may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art. Most often it appears to be men, who see women as some sort of damsel in distress, while I almost exclusivesily seen women who can handle pretty much same things as men.
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Minus1

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMI doubt forums are somehow worst thing out there for females.
There is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?", which sounded funny as hell when they were talking about it. Interviewer is telling how men come to criticize her live gear and recommending better synths. Hah.

While it is funny, I guess there is pretty frequent discussion how one should treat all sort of socially awkward, perhaps somehow "neurologally challenged" folks and even if it may get old pretty quick for females to get sort of autistic gear dudes (and such) approaching them, one would think that it may be clear most probably don't have malicious intent and one can cope with such situation exactly same ways as men do.

Most of my life, I knew "underground culture women". Very rarely I interact with so called normal folks. This may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art. Most often it appears to be men, who see women as some sort of damsel in distress, while I almost exclusivesily seen women who can handle pretty much same things as men.

I like this post.

I like it a lot.
Give Me CDs Or Give Me Death.

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theotherjohn

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMThere is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?"

I'm guessing a letter is missing here, but the thought of Mikko sliding into the DMs gave me a chuckle. Unsolicited synth picks.

Atrophist

Extreme and marginal musical scenes tend to be male dominated. Seems to be a fact everywhere, at any era. Don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but it is a thing.

That said, I honestly don't think women would face any special difficulty as performers or audience members in this country, at least. If I'm wrong, by all means let me know. I always start tuning out immediately when an artist makes some attribute they were born with the focus of their art or their existence. The abovementioned ACL is a great artist and (having had the privilege of meeting her and having a chat) a cool person who'd probably think that the last thing she wants, is to be seen as a "female artist".

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMThis may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art.

Each to their own ofc, but honestly there are a lot of women out there into some really dark and sick shit, that makes my own skin crawl. In terms of film, whatever. Why would noise be any different.

Moran

While most women I know wouldn't be upset by noise song titles and art, the common noise themes tend to be less interesting to women than men, so less women explore the genre than men. A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.

Minus1

I'm old enough to remember when Rock was male dominated. Now women are everywhere in the genre.

Perhaps Noise is going to gradually follow suit.

I've seen a few comments in this thread that I classify as "assumptions". I'm guilty of it in my OP!!
Give Me CDs Or Give Me Death.

Moran

Many of the better-known contemporary noise and power electronics artists are female: Puce Mary, Himukalt, Pharmakon, Rusalka, etc. Publications closer to the mainstream often promote artists because they're female, and a big part of their readership likes to mention femininity as the major element of their music, so there's some disproportionate representation of female artists among artists better-known to people who aren't very familiar with the genres. This is not to suggest that they're getting undue recognition—many of them make great noise.

Atrophist

Quote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...

A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.

Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?

Balor/SS1535

Quote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AM
Quote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...

A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.

Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?

As opposed to saying "they must just get off on it"?

Moran

Quote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AM
Quote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...

A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.

Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
No. The phrasing is a bit unusual but it's a similar reaction to what Balor said.