Control Resistance - 2010 -video

[nidding]

I myself am thoroughly impressed with your presence and status here at Special Interests as the self appointed intellectual elite. You claim on one hand NOT to be offended by the views expressed and turn right around and contradict yourself by referring to the content of the video as rhetoric? Not very good at masking your own rhetoric and exposing your true intentions. The recording simply and effectively expresses a vile yet almost completely censored truth in the world today in a video that is clearly unmatched in this miniscule genre of P.E. and you assign yourself the authority to critique it. What exactly are YOUR credentials? You refer to the political content as "used to death" as if there is some undiscovered pathway to effectively change the opinion of the brain dead masses through Power Electronics. The video in question is hardly a campaign advertisement for the presidency of the United States. I'm sure according to your insight the intent of the creator was to magically change the world perspective on Jewry with a video that targets an almost microscopic portion of the human population. As we all well know Power Electronics is likely to be the next big pop culture sensation. You also give us another clear glimpse into your own profound intellectual depth and wisdom by referring to the message as horrible lyrics??? I certainly don't consider Control Resistance music and hardly consider the words and message to be lyrics. If you are looking for "inspired" lyrical content you might try listening to "Stairway to Heaven" again or in your case maybe some Bob "Dylan" (Robert Zimmerman). With a link in your comment to such useless and degenerate drivel such as "Alleypisser" you must be one of two things- a talentless and frustrated enthusiast or simply another slithering Jewish troll attempting to defend your sick and filthy tribe of parasites? 

I don't think you're really picking up on the point here. I'm not trying to decipher the intent of the artist (how the fuck could I?), and in this case I actually find it fairly unimportant - in the critique of a piece of work (whether art, political speech, music etc) there's no immediate need to actually include the creator at all, the piece and the opinions uttered therein can easily be criticized in their own right. This is what I'm doing.
My critique of this track is based exactly on the fact that it doesn't have any political merit - it's exactly not going to win anybody over, it's not even going to challenge anybody. In my opinion, and seemingly others, it's simply another case of uninformative, unambitious preaching (to the choir). Even though PE is not a mainstream genre (it probably has the same degree of mainstream appeal as crude, lo-fi hardcore punk) it doesn't mean it cannot have a certain level on political ambition. There's several examples of PE and Industrial artists and groups with political aspirations that still manage to communicate this in an intelligent, ambitious manner - they manage to actually challenge people of both the same but also different political views, which is something I find most admirable. To say this is the case for Control Resistance would be a shame.

Not your kind of politics because your politics are Political Correctness, Indoctrination and Mind Control. Your politics are not your own they are given to you by your television. You might as well be buying them in a can at the grocery store. The information expressed in the video is not a matter of opinion, nor is it politics- it is the TRUTH.

Okay, so in your opinion everybody is right-wing, hateful people by nature?
And right-wing governments aren't just as notorious as any other for their use of indoctrination, censorship and mind control?
Left, right, middle government/fanatic/propagator/preacher/artist/warrior/politician/whatever - doesn't matter what you call yourself, it doesn't free you from the chains of being a fucking idiot.

I am simply pointing out that the criticism in question is nothing more than a MASQUERADE and rather than remain silent while this person deceives the majority of readers I choose to point out the fact that I PERSONALLY am not fooled. The rest of you can discuss and define the guidelines of criticism and debate like a room full of criminal lawyers for another two weeks for all I care. Remaining silent and allowing everyone to be deceived by liars is practically the whole point of the video in question.

Shit. Why am I even trying.

Supported by facts or supported by arguments perhaps being for example what are the artists intentions. And I guess the given quote nailed it quite well. What it aimed for and what it delivers. Of course one can choose to ignore this, and value it only based on what level I am personally entertained at this moment. Set the material on same line with whatever piece of art or entertainment, since it's your time you're spending. These opinions in such cases tell about the listener/spectator than the art in question?

But is the intention of the artist always integral to a critique of his/her material? Can't a piece be criticized based only on what it actually says and in this case how well it says it?
And even if this is merely the intention to present a barrage of hateful vocal assaults, then (correct me if I'm wrong) but isn't the point of WP/RAC rock also to challenge an established order and/or provoke? I cannot see how this Control Resistance track succeeds on either account - the rhetoric is so simplistic and overused that opponents will simply dismiss it as "another bonehead rant" and the sympathizers will simply see it as "another brother-in-arms". It doesn't challenge, provoke, incite or inspire. My opinion, of course.

[Goat93]

But is the intention of the artist always integral to a critique of his/her material? Can't a piece be criticized based only on what it actually says and in this case how well it says it?

Everyone can Critics Enverything, but there must be a "Point" of Critism in it, to take it serious. And how should a Critism Point works, when it failed in its own Argument from the start on?

Easy Example: If someone critism that a Release is on CD'r instead of CD and the Musician loves CD'r and exactly want it on CD'r, the Critic Argument itself is then nothing more than a Personal View and it fails as real serious Critic Point, since it is so as it should be.

but isn't the point of WP/RAC rock also to challenge an established order and/or provoke?

Is it? Why should it be so? Why should White Power Music reduce itself on Provocation and Agressive Forces in Music? WP Music has also Ballads, Love Songs, Fun Songs, Drink Songs and all kind of other Bullshit, not even only "Hate Songs for Aryan People"....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxnm6tlUWF4

the rhetoric is so simplistic and overused that opponents will simply dismiss it as "another bonehead rant"

Opponents always looks for Points to dismiss, so nobody must care about it. Otherwise, are you sure that the Music is for opponents/followers of this Political Movement at once?
And the Argument about "Overused" is really lame. Using Musical Instruments is totaly Overused, using Computers is also Overused, but to be true, i don't like A Cappela Music so much, that All Music should not be "Overused" to be "true".
And where stands that always all must be innovative and new?

[ShillKill]

@ Nidding.
Ahhh hilarious, this forum was definitely good for a few laughs I must say. Anyone who has taken the time to do their research is very well aware of the Jewish domination of media, government, finance and education and it's disastrous consequences for the entire world regardless of their ethnicity. This is not a matter of opinion, it is fact, and even openly admitted by many powerful and influential Jews themselves. Opponents or sheeple that "attempt" to challenge this fact are not objective thinkers or even capable of determining truth from fiction. People like you will never be challenged or awakened by truth, fact, statistics, official government documents, thought provoking books/videos or anything else for that matter. Your argument that the message is overused and could have been delivered more effectively is absurd. There have been countless books, songs and movies covering the subject of love or heartbreak with full attention given to them by the mainstream media yet no one is complaining. Here you have one single video dealing with a subject that is of the utmost importance to the condition and future of the entire world and you say it has all been done before so many times and so much more effectively. You refer to the content of the video as non-information??? That is almost laughable- the video makes several references to books that are packed with documentation and information on the very same subject. I would love to hear just a few of your examples regarding these profound thought provoking recordings or better yet videos for that matter. That is not only completely false but a bald faced lie and a blatantly obvious attempt to distract people from the message in the video. Had you simply been honest from the the beginning and admitted that you oppose the views expressed in the video and were offended this thread would never have even started nor gone this far. In conclusion, I believe that the creator of the video WAS preaching to the choir simply because people who genuinely understand modern day politics and the current situation in the world are fully aware that the only thing that moves the wheels of history is the blood of revolution not debating clever computer geeks on message boards.     

[Tommy Carlsson]

"The Jews own the world, the Catholics run it, the Protestants work it, and the niggers and the Mexicans basically enjoy it."

-- Kinky Friedman

[nidding]

Everyone can Critics Enverything, but there must be a "Point" of Critism in it, to take it serious. And how should a Critism Point works, when it failed in its own Argument from the start on?

Easy Example: If someone critism that a Release is on CD'r instead of CD and the Musician loves CD'r and exactly want it on CD'r, the Critic Argument itself is then nothing more than a Personal View and it fails as real serious Critic Point, since it is so as it should be.

Yeah, you're right about this to a certain degree. Sure, if you're criticizing a piece of artwork counting in the artist's intention can clarify certain points - or obscure them. This doesn't mean that the argument is in any way flawed though - you can still criticize an argument or an artwork solely based on it's merits as an argument or a piece of art, seen completely separate from the artist who created it. There is no rule as to how you're supposed to see a piece and to be quite frank, I'd say that the strength of any given piece lies in whether it can stand by itself or not. An artwork accompanied by 10 A4 pages of explanation just to make it the least bit interesting isn't much of artwork to begin with, is it?
You could also say: A politician making a speech that's fairly devoid of any substantial political content or information, but merely appeals to people's pathos (a completely populist speech). Should this speech then be interpreted based on an assumption of the politician's intention is to obtain power, be elected, etc etc, or should this speech be analyzed and criticized based on the political content of just the speech? Shouldn't you respect people enough to take what they say at face value? ... to take this a bit further, if you keep focus on the person behind the statement all the time, then all kinds of superfluous shit can start to factor into the judgment of the artwork/argument/statement.
The biographical approach to analysis is not the end-all of all analytical methods and can really lead to obscuring the points that are being made more than actually clarifying them.

Is it? Why should it be so? Why should White Power Music reduce itself on Provocation and Agressive Forces in Music? WP Music has also Ballads, Love Songs, Fun Songs, Drink Songs and all kind of other Bullshit, not even only "Hate Songs for Aryan People"....

Fair enough - then I learned something new. I've only been exposed to the "hate songs" part of it. Besides "challenging the established order" is not exactly a reduction, rather that's pretty admirable quality, I'd say, when it actually succeeds.
Also in this context, I guess it doesn't actually matter that WP music has ballads, love songs etc, since the reason it was brought up in the first place, was to prove that the point/intention for Control Resistance was the same as hateful, aggressive WP music. Whereas the "bonehead quality" comes into play as a legitimizing factor in the context of CR's lyrics and rhetoric being less that inspirational.

Opponents always looks for Points to dismiss, so nobody must care about it. Otherwise, are you sure that the Music is for opponents/followers of this Political Movement at once?

No, and I'm not saying that it has to. I'm merely saying that it would be the most ambitious and politically valuable standpoint (a lack of which I'm criticizing the track for). Also I'm actually saying that this music has little to contribute to neither opponents nor followers.

And the Argument about "Overused" is really lame. Using Musical Instruments is totaly Overused, using Computers is also Overused, but to be true, i don't like A Cappela Music so much, that All Music should not be "Overused" to be "true".
And where stands that always all must be innovative and new?

One thing is talking about music, another thing is talking about political rhetoric. But to translate the politics/rhetoric into music, sure remedies can be completely overused, which is the case here, and unless these remedies get used in an intelligent and innovative manner then the music (and in this case politics/rhetoric) becomes redundant, dull and a case of just going-through-the-motions = my original point exactly.

[nidding]

Anyone who has taken the time to do their research is very well aware of the Jewish domination of media, government, finance and education and it's disastrous consequences for the entire world regardless of their ethnicity. This is not a matter of opinion, it is fact, and even openly admitted by many powerful and influential Jews themselves.

I'm sorry to bring it to you, but you do not have the truth of the world in your hands.
Yes, obviously this is actually a matter of opinion, since there's not a single unanimous opinion on the fact. Actually is changes all the time depending on which political analyst or theorist you read. Yes, there's Jews in the media, government, finance etc, whether it's disastrous or what it's consequences are, aren't determined at all.

People like you will never be challenged or awakened by truth, fact, statistics, official government documents, thought provoking books/videos or anything else for that matter.

Challenged? Sure. "Awakened"? Come on. For every single "fact", thought provoking book/video, document etc that says one thing, there's 10 saying something else. So who's to say who's right? You?

Your argument that the message is overused and could have been delivered more effectively is absurd. [...] Here you have one single video dealing with a subject that is of the utmost importance to the condition and future of the entire world and you say it has all been done before so many times and so much more effectively.

I don't say that the video has been done countless times, I say that the rhetoric has become a staple of boring, uninspired right wing speech. It's not saying anything that hasn't been said so many times before, and also has been said in a way more articulate, thought provoking manner before. This track is just too easy.

You refer to the content of the video as non-information??? That is almost laughable- the video makes several references to books that are packed with documentation and information on the very same subject.

I don't see any of these references in their lyrics. What I see here is the usual case of "Jews are evil and will be the downfall of us all", "destroy the Jews" etc etc. What new information is it bringing to the table? Is it informing us of any intelligent political points apart from saying "I don't like Jews"? See my previous posts.

I would love to hear just a few of your examples regarding these profound thought provoking recordings or better yet videos for that matter.

Fuck, man, in a PE context, even Brethren is more thought provoking than this stuff. At least he's being intelligent about his criticism and actually bringing some compelling information to the table.

Had you simply been honest from the the beginning and admitted that you oppose the views expressed in the video and were offended this thread would never have even started nor gone this far.

I'm not offended the slightest bit, actually I find this to be a perfect chance to discuss a lot of interesting points. I've never said anything about not being opposed to the views expressed, actually quite on the contrary, already in my second post I said that I oppose political acts and political content with no particular political value. I don't give much of a shit what political standpoint you have, if you're being an idiot about it, then I oppose you. All of this is unimportant in this case though, as I'm not debating his political views, but rather the political value (usability) of his statements.

In conclusion, I believe that the creator of the video WAS preaching to the choir simply because people who genuinely understand modern day politics and the current situation in the world are fully aware that the only thing that moves the wheels of history is the blood of revolution not debating clever computer geeks on message boards.     

So this is actually just preaching to the choir? Well, that proves my point then - as I said originally, I don't care about the politics behind it, I care that the argument/rhetoric/political value is so washed out. It's uninspired, unambitious drivel = just preaching to the choir and not trying to inform or challenge others with your agenda.

[UGRA]

Everyone can Critics Enverything, but there must be a "Point" of Critism in it, to take it serious. And how should a Critism Point works, when it failed in its own Argument from the start on?

Easy Example: If someone critism that a Release is on CD'r instead of CD and the Musician loves CD'r and exactly want it on CD'r, the Critic Argument itself is then nothing more than a Personal View and it fails as real serious Critic Point, since it is so as it should be.

Hey, c´mon! So the fact that someone deliberatedly choose mediocrity gives him the right not to be judged or criticised? Couldn´t that be a good excuse to make every single stupid thing on this world acceptable?
I mean, if I start a project with no artistic value, bad ideas for the songs and a bunch of old slogans for the lyrics,  all I have to do is to declare "THAT WAS MY INTENTION!" and I will be above any kind of criticism?
Sorry, it doesn´t make any sense!

[FiEND]

Fuck, man, in a PE context, even Brethren is more thought provoking than this stuff. At least he's being intelligent about his criticism and actually bringing some compelling information to the table.

I'd like to know how his lyrics are any more informative/thought provoking/intelligent than the song in question. all sounds like the same "i control my life not someone else" message to me. perhaps you are taking things at face value? 

[Litharge]

I'm (a very small part) Jewish -- so I guess I'm in luck?  So, where do I go to get my share of all this sinister kike influence, power and wealth???

I believe a commonly held assertion is that "propaganda" is primarily meant for, and aimed at those who are already prone to, or possess a sociopolitical world view that is in line with the propaganda offered.  I.e., "preaching to the choir."  To the "outsider"/demographic the propaganda isn't aimed towards, of course the material will seem utterly jingoistic, ridiculous, and ineffective.  Nevertheless, the propaganda is supposedly effective in reenforcing the pre-existing convictions, and perhaps opinions of those "on the fence", in the target audience.  So maybe in that regard, Control Resistance's music and videos can be deemed effective and successful.  However, within the purview of a broader and/or more general critique of sociopolitically charged power electronics, to many CR will just come across as simplistic, tired, and ineffective MUSIC/ART.

Personally, as with the newest Genocide Organ video recently posted and discussed here, I find the CR clip is seriously undermined -- entirely negated -- by being far too "slick" in its editing style, and by blatantly appropriating so many easily recognizable video "samples."  I mean, come on -- an Apple computer commercial from the 80s?  Snippets from the Michael Radford version of "1984"?  And so many of the video transition and filtering effects, and text animation effects are so very indicative of overkill by amateur/inexperienced video editors enamored of their new editing software -- regardless of whether the styles are "appropriate" for, or beneficial to the message(s) presumably intended for the video.

But of course, I assume I'm not the target audience of this music or imagery, and I've got that slight trace of jew blood making me bias, so what do I know...?

[Andrew McIntosh]

I'm (a very small part) Jewish -- so I guess I'm in luck?  So, where do I go to get my share of all this sinister kike influence, power and wealth???

Remember this joke? Two rabbis in Germany just before the war are reading newspapers. One is reading a fairly liberal rag and the other is reading Die Sturmer. The one reading the liberal paper is astonished and asks the other rabbi how he could possibly read such a thing, and why doesn't he spend his money and time reading the more liberal paper.

"Are you kidding?", the man replies. "Every time I read that I read about how we Jews are being persecuted, getting kicked out of jobs, getting our shops attacked, getting our kids kicked out of schools. It's depressing. But whenever I read Die Sturmer, I read about how we rule and run the world and how wealthy and powerful we are! I love it!"

[FreakAnimalFinland]

So this is actually just preaching to the choir? Well, that proves my point then - as I said originally, I don't care about the politics behind it, I care that the argument/rhetoric/political value is so washed out. It's uninspired, unambitious drivel = just preaching to the choir and not trying to inform or challenge others with your agenda.

I don't personally think music/noise should have the same value as for example daily politics. Can you judge record not being good enough, since it offers just few slogans, not book worth of text? Would you like to listen someones preaching for few hours on top of noise? I would assume, people who make the stuff, approach it from perspective what is doable and useful to have song made to their liking?

For reason or another, big part of the art has been seen as "leftist". It's no different within noise or industrial music either, I think? If you have band with some content, it will be "preaching to the choir", since isn't it just about one main roles of music in general? But also sign of alternative within subject matter and approach.

In upcoming issue of Special Interests, there will be interview with Ke/Hil, where is discussed the song of their album called "Mirror of the world of mirrors". When I saw the title of song, immediately it brought in my mind music, art and noise.  Everybody is so busy just saying "I just reflect this world, people can make up their opinions" or something similar. Bands with the roughest topics and provocative lyrics, quickly make excuse of not meaning what they said, just "reflecting the reality", "reflecting the society", "observing the history" and so on. And being mirror of the world of mirrors, one could simply reflect this poor state of nothing being said by anyone, since then your own ass will be on the line with no possibility to hide behind "not really meaning it".

So, in that context, I salute bands such as Control Resistance or Brethren and from the left, bands like Militia or such, who don't just "reflect". They tell you loud and clear their own opinion about this particular subject matter based on their own political convictions. In times when nobody wants responsibility and nobody wants to be "outcasted" from little success there could be in "noise/industrial", these bands just say what they say and don't apologize. With all the bands that say nothing, it is most of all HEALTHY than someone just says it. No matter how little artistic or political merit the actual opinion has. In case when band does express their actual view, no matter how trite, how lame it might be, it's still MORE than a lot of other non-substance pasted over noise.*

*Edit: of course meaning pretentious substance. The assume lack of substance I think its in ear/eye of beholder. A lot of plain noise says a lot, without words.

[Andrew McIntosh]

"Art is not a mirror held up to reality, but a hammer with which to shape it." - Brecht. Personally, though, I'm not convinced. And I've never been convinced that any point of view is preferable to no point of view. That, in itself, is a point of view.

[Litharge]

Remember this joke?

Heh, I've never heard that joke.  But it brings to mind:

A pedophile, a drunk, and a Catholic priest walk into a bar.  He orders a drink...

Anyway, I have no more in common with, nor "suffer" any more at the hands of jews than "WASPs", in a society where I just don't fit.  So personally, I don't let myself get distracted and sidetracked by some self-delusion that if only all the jews were dead my life would suddenly become so much better.  If the jews are removed from the global equation some other "conspiratorial" group would undoubtedly just move in to take their supposed positions of power and general suppression/exploitation, so I'd come out no better.  But of course, that's just my programming, conditioning, and jew-washed brain speaking...

[Andrew McIntosh]

A pedophile, a drunk, and a Catholic priest walk into a bar.  He orders a drink...

Thanks for that! I must use that one, one day.

[Goat93]

nidding

There is no rule as to how you're supposed to see a piece and to be quite frank, I'd say that the strength of any given piece lies in whether it can stand by itself or not. An artwork accompanied by 10 A4 pages of explanation just to make it the least bit interesting isn't much of artwork to begin with, is it?

I think thats two different Things. To Criticsm something or to look at a Artwork has not really a Common Point in my eyes. Or better said, here you see better hows different between "own Personal Views" and Critism what should work over your Personal Views. I differ between Personal Views and Common Critism, since in Political Discussions the own View is irrelevant. If you Critisice a "Political" Work like this Music, its totaly OK if you say, that you dont like it or that its ooverused or that has no effect on You. But thats an other Theme than your say "The Politival Working don't work, since it must be challenging the Government" or anything like that. First one is YOUR Opinion about it, other is a Message about the Political (or Ideological) Matter.

And here it is very Important to look behind the whole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h1KD1N_G08

This is a Political Speech of Walter Ubricht, since before the Building of the Wall in Germany. he says "Nobody have the Intention to buld a Wall". Very Famous Speech btw.
If you only look at the Speech and NOT to that, whats behind, the Speech is normal and not really important. Only the Fact, where he is, why he said that and whats happend afterwards makes it Important at all. So i think it IS Important to look after the Intention of the Artist, Speecher or whoever to Interpret his Intention to Critism him. Otherwise the Critism is Meaningless or maybe just Personal.

Whereas the "bonehead quality" comes into play as a legitimizing factor in the context of CR's lyrics and rhetoric being less that inspirational.

Whats a Bonehead Quality?
The Video i linked is from this Bonehead Scene and other Folk Musicicians like Frank Rennicke are there as well. There is no "W hate all 24/7" Music Scene in the WP Movement. For example the Singer one of the Biggest WP/RAC Music Group (Stahlgewitter) have had played in a Metal/Fun Band before and this Band went into Right Winged Music really fast. As Right Winged Metal/RAC Music Group they have songs about:

But to translate the politics/rhetoric into music, sure remedies can be completely overused, which is the case here, and unless these remedies get used in an intelligent and innovative manner then the music (and in this case politics/rhetoric) becomes redundant, dull and a case of just going-through-the-motions = my original point exactly.

Yeah, but nothing more than a Personal View. Most ( Ideolocal )Music works about repeating. See in Chart Music at its best. So, on one Side you have Innovative and Intelligence Music, but to be true there won't be much people to reach with it. Otherwise you have Overused and Simple Music with Simple Lyrical Structure and thats the Point where you reach People. So, if someone want th reach much people, he have to use Simple Music. Thats a Fact. Otherwise since it is a P:e Act, i don't think, that the Artist really want to reach many People with it as a Political Doctrine. For that the Music is not Rythmic and Easy enought. Here is again important to check up the Intention of the Artist. Your Critism Points may be Aspects what the Artist actually himself want instead of avoid.

As Example, how much people would listen to John Zorn instead of Lady Gaga?

UGRA

As i said, everyone can Criticsm Everything. But ask yourself, for what is Critism and what is it about? How works it and what changed it?

Example:
You critism my Music as Booring and Idiotic. You critism the package and the Format. You write m a Message and spread it in some Foren. Its your Critic then.
But, what changed it? Does i really stop making Music after your critism? WOuld i change the Format, the Packageing, anything at all?

Thats what i mean about a "real Point" in your Argument. There must be something where your opponent looks about and think about it. Otherwise your Critic is useless and blurry. Ok, you feel better after that, i think.