(Early) expectations for noise?

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FreakAnimalFinland

Over the years, it has become clear that at least since "extreme music" was popular (say hardcore, death metal, etc), there were significant part of people who appear to approach noise at least early on their path from perspective of finding the most extreme stuff. I don't know if this was the case in times when notion of "extreme music" may have not been so prevailing? From Deicide to Merzbow Pulse Demon or from Napalm Death to Masonna seems kind of logical, but from Merciful Fate to M.B... heh.. Can happen, but feels less likely. From Extreme Noise Terror to Sutcliffe Jugend seems logical leap, but from Cock Sparrer to Smell & Quim.. hmm..

I often say I was personally exactly the kind of guy who was looking for the hardest stuff out there, but it ain't entire truth. I was also looking for weird, bizarre, strange. Something completely new. Of course purity of noise of Incapacitants, BLJ, Macronympha etc appealed, but at the same time biggest fan of weirdo stuff like Gerogerigegege, Violent Onsen Geisha, Emil Beaulieau, Smell & Quim and so on.

Of course, era on early 90's was golden years for discoveries, since genre was tight in a way that on same compilations you'd have from dark power electronics to slapstick weirdo noise or from harsh to psychedelic, from collage and concrete sounds to pure abstractions and so on. It seems expected that soon teenager realizes that screaming and distortion may not be the "hardest stuff", but there are other qualities that can make make music difficult, demanding, challenging yet ultimately rewarding.

Its been long time, but indeed, I would think my earliest expectations was to find the hardest things out there. It quickly shifted into need of finding things with unique "weirdness" and personality. Then shifting into finding items that radiate meaning of some sort. Now, what do I expect? Perhaps little bit of all of these! I do not expect someone doing noise in a way I have never heard, but its good if it would not be pure replication.

I was reading recently comment of person who mentioned having dropped out from noise for years after being disgusted by what types of people scene consists. I am less effected by social circles of noise, since its like in any situation in life. If you go to bar and see table full of bikers and skinheads and other table with art students.. you can choose. You don't need to hang out with absolutely everybody. Even the empty table somewhere in corner and maybe some other dude you get along might show up eventually. Back in the day, I wasn't very impressed by the art-school type of "funny hats noise" kind of stuff. Costume noise, where noise often served the "look I'm weird!" -approach. I know many feel the same when dude with edgy band t-shirt goes on stage and starts yelling on mic, hah. But I barely have expectation what this should be nor feel excluded it if is something unlike I would be doing or favoring. Expectation for live gigs is only that I prefer people doing it and hopefully in ways that it is visually detectable that you see them creating the noise. I am fully aware that playback of piece, presentation, almost related to screening of film, is totally acceptable way of doing things - but when I go to see live noise, I expect live noise, hah! That might be one of the current day expectation for noise!
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FreakAnimalFinland

And perhaps as addition, examples that I absolutely don't hope topic to be "expectations that failed", but more other way round, hah! Like, thinking for years, what if something totally weird, like... KEUHKOT would become noisier, harder,... and then you get Sick Seed. Which, of course ain't like "Keuhkot", but when you think about it, there is the song oriented feel, sometimes narrative or hysteric lyrical side to it. In a way, something I would hoped to exists, but didn't expect anyone doing it.
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SSRI

Instead of metal or punk*, I came to noise from a background of alternative rock, prog, classic rock, krautrock, fucking EBM and more proper musical industrial like Einstürzende Neubauten. So I wasn't looking for something more extreme in the sense of being "harder" than the hardest metal, but extreme in abstractness, emphasis on texture and lack of structure. That's what I expected from noise and wasn't disappointed.

*) For the record, I did listen to some mainstream metal and also started buying some punk and even grind 7"s in my teens but didn't get much out of them. I got into underground black metal later, but that came slightly after noise.

The Devil´s Cormorant

My first encounter with noise definitely came through the search for more and more extreme stuff, particularly from the angle of black metal. Within black metal I was always interested in the harsher soundscapes like Ildjarn and coarse lo-fi demo sounds (and always disappointed when the studio albums of the same bands were much more polished) or on the other hand something murky like Paysage d'Hiver. I remember coming across Merzbow, possibly something else too, and honestly, I just wasn't impressed. Sure, it was extreme, but it was also kinda boring; it didn't carry any of the spirit so captivating in black metal. Simply "being extreme" wasn't actually that interesting.

So for the longest time noise remained this "peculiar but kinda boring" genre for me. It was many years later when I came to actually like noise and find something intriguing within it, and at that time I suppose I approached it more from the angle of dark ambient and other experimental music. In a way noise appeared similar as that kind of music void of many of those common elements of conventional music - rhythm, melody, familiar instruments - just with a more-or-less harsher soundscape. And it still holds true that simply sounding hard and aggressive doesn't do much. It's often very particular sounds that speak to me, and also that music isn't "just music", just sound, but there's a strong emphasis on what the music is about, what it's conveying, what kind of themes, aesthetics, emotions etc. I also find the general attitude how noise is made, the experimental and DIY nature inherent to it, very appealing

Cantleman

My intro was the old Terroriser magazine in the mid 90s doing a feature on Whitehouse, it also led me to Cold Meat Industries. That and a sense of curiosity and wanting 'more'....

Cranial Blast

Definitely from black metal, bands like Ride For Revenge were great at opening the gates towards more noisy territory. That type of crossover makes getting into power electronics/noise, feel like a logical conclusion in some ways. Often that crossover generally seems to bring together the most extremes of both sides, from some of the hardest black metal stuff and right away to over to the Filth & Violence type stuff. The interesting part for me with this crossover was that it brought me to the nastiest stuff immediately, but because of that and growing interest in noise, then allowed me to expand my noise interests a lot more broader and that open the door to various types of noise artists and sub genre with industrial/noise genre. I wonder if there is a reverse, noise guy getting into metal and then learning later how he'd missed out on Mercyful Fate haha.

John Cagefight

My first true exposure to noise was being 16 years old and sneaking into an Anal Cunt show. The opener was this guy campaigning for president in a suit and tie who was proclaiming "with your $5.00 contribution to the Emil Beaulieau for President Campaign, you will receive this free Emil Beaulieau for President seven inch record" and then attacking a Mortician record he was playing with what I'd later learn was the Mannitolli.

I had no vocabulary to understand what it was, and wasn't sure I really even liked it, but knew that it was certainly an important thing to have witnessed - little did I know it was a seed planted that would grow into a lifelong obsession. But - moral of the story is I went to check out the "most extreme" band I knew at the time and came back with a lesson in the True Sound of Love.

prolapsedlielack

I will say my expectations for noise when I first got into all of this was actually exceeded. I had been somewhat making noise unknowingly on my shitty iphone's GarageBand app and had grown up surrounded by punk/metal/hardcore etc. I think it was Pig Destroyer who said an influence on their sound was Whitehouse so when I looked up "most extreme albums" at school one day in middle school and saw Bird Seed, I was hooked then on out. Slogun, Taint, Skin Crime, Coma Detox, Final Solution came afterwards. I gotta say, definitely saw more variety in the sounds of noise than I did in metal at the time.

Hakaristi

Was always on the hunt for the weirdest music around whether it was The Residents or Magma. Eventually imported Pulse Demon and 1930 after reading about strange Japanese bands in Trouser Press Record Guide. Initially they were kinda novelty records to blast in between Boredoms and Melt Banana. Later on discovered black metal via harsh jazz influences then naturally Northern Heritage lead to Freak Animal and it was all downhill from there!

k.p.g

I came directly into noise from grindcore, and as such, the first noise I would check out would be the most extreme.  It all sounded like grindcore without the beat to carry it.  Hah.  But I don't think I expected to find noise that way, nor did I have any idea what it would sound like.  Years earlier in middle school, I found out about the likes of Swans & The Residents, so I thought maybe that projects like that were the point where traditional music ended and more "out there" stuff resided; weirdos that sounded like they were recording inside an aircraft carrier.  Whether it was those groups or JTCH though, how it was made was beyond me.

First live noise I ever saw was a group called Transient in Barcelona, whose lead vocalist would go onto to perform as Frataxin, and that was extremely profound.  Group had releases with songs on them, but would just freak the fuck out live.  Made me sort of realize "ah, you can just use rock instrumentations to make noise.  Wow!"  Of course, my guitars and mics sounded nothing like theirs, and coupled with a growing interest in the larger underground scene, I would spend the next couple years dedicated to just using "noise instruments" (oscillators, contact mics, whatever) instead.  But I gotta give credit to those two to bringing noise back down to a level of humanity I did not have for it in earlier listens. 
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Balor/SS1535

A very interesting topic---especially in bringing forward some areas of overlap for several users here.

"Getting into noise" was something that sort of happened without me realizing it during my late teens.  At that time, I was being exposed metal music (within which I quickly moved from Metallica and Megadeth, through Slayer and onto black metal) while simultaneously being introduced to modern and contemporary art through a local community college/museums.

I first realized that noise was a genre after realizing I was accidentally making it in my attempts to record "ambient" music using field recordings.  (I wanted to play black metal like Burzum, but I didn't have drums or a bass, so I thought I would try making ambient like him.  However, I also didn't have any synths!  Therefore I was left making recordings of birds and washing machines, amongst other things, and manipulating the recordings with a computer...)  After that experience, I discovered that something called "noise music" existed, and it was onwards from there.

I think the dual exposure through metal and art really shaped and continues to shape what I looked for in noise then, what I continue to look for now, as well as what influences the work that I try to create---not to mention some of the frustrations that I have with the genre/scene.  I definitely shared the desire to find the "most extreme" sounds that I could, but I also realized very quickly that there is no substance to copy-cat projects who mime the clichéd aesthetics cultivated by more seminal acts.  For me, extremity should go along with novelty and some sort of authentic relationship with the art that you are creating.  There has to be art there too.  (I think this is also why noise/industrial have pointed me outwards to so many interesting works of literature, film, and visual art.)

Filth & Violence became an early favorite for these reasons.  I think the label and associated projects are sold short fairly often when people characterize them as brutal, crude, etc. when they actually consistently developed in increasingly complex ways.

While I understand that noise, as a genre, should also question traditional artistic norms of intentionality, authenticity, and uniqueness in certain ways, I think there are critical ways to do so that only a few can manage to accomplish.

In many ways, I think my first expectations for noise have continued to be my expectations now, though what I personally find interesting is that those same expectations have led to a broadening in what I listen to rather than greater specificity.  Noise led to free jazz, improv music, and so on.

While I read above that we are not meant to talk about thwarted expectations, I did mention some frustration in my post here.  I think the sole drive towards extremity, which I see many people to claim to share (here, in the physical scene, and in other online forums), tends to lapse into redundancy and conservatism.  While I have problems with Bizarre Uproar (that are separate from my evaluations of the sounds he makes---which have been consistently strong and reflect a serious dedication to craft), I really have to wonder what people who listening to (let alone making!) third-generation Bizarre Uproar "tribute" acts are getting out of it besides an opportunity to play-act as perverts.  As with any artistic genre, there are exceptions to this, but there is some truth nonetheless, I think.

In the last few years, I have been reading a lot of information and systems theory about noise on a more theoretical level.   In that context, noise is, essentially, uncoded, non-redundant information.  Its manifestation in a communicational context injects diversity, change, and provokes the necessity of evolution.  I think this is a more theoretical way of articulating what first excited me about noise music.  At bottom, what I look for when I purchase a new album or decide what shows to check out, I ask myself: Does this add something new to my life?  If not, then I can go without.

NedOik

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Very  interesting question - what do you expect from noise, not how you got into it. To be pretentious about it, hehe, for me the lens to look at what I "expect" is revelation versus affirmation. Revelation meaning to tear away the surface of reality to 'real' structure of existence, question limits of human identity via "extreme" situations e.g. death/madness/crime/absurdity, reveal one's "true" self, but conversely this often goes beyond rational understanding. Affirmation meaning OK with superficial identity, accept the world as it is, affirming only the material and finite. But to jump down from the ivory tower - when I sit on the terrace at the gym and hear the water aerobics class bouncing along to gabber techno, I expect noise to be something that couldn't be used to soundtrack an aqua aerobics class.
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