IDEA FOR A NEW THREAD: Conceptual/lyrical analysis of albums

Started by Kaaoskultti, November 01, 2026, 02:46:46 PM

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Kaaoskultti

I have been, for the past few months, intensely making really top-notch analysis of the lyrical content of diverse albums with ChatGPT. Before anyone kills me, let me warn yourselves that this is not, as it might appear, a sleazy and shallow endeavour. That AI really does a great job if one uses it correctly, such as adding the actual lyrics to the prompt and programming it to create a serious effort on doing such. I feel like it would be interesting to post here some of the (translated to english) analyses that have been made; some which are truly outstanding and offered me information which I never would have thought (for example, on Deterge's "Borax Five Families" being about how " (...) an object's value depends almost entirely on its circulation, the distinction between commodity, money, and symbol becomes increasingly difficult to sustain. It is this gray area that the album transforms into sonic art" ("his" words).

Nevertheless, "actual intelligence" analyses of albums and such - that's where I am aiming at aswell. We already have a thread for musical reviews of albums, why not create one focused on the concepts and ideas therein? And again, please correct if I'm mistaken on such one already existing here. As for me, I'm making in-depth reviews of Brethren's "Savage Inequalities" and The Boyd Rice Experience's "Hatesville!", the latter being quite hillarious.
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host body

I'm sorry, but I can't be the only one to think such things are better left between you and AI. AI can do anything you throw at it it seems, but am I interested in an AI analysis of anything? Not really.

Skin Flick

Better idea, just analyze it yourself and write it down. Sounds much more interesting than having a computer do it for you.

Balor/SS1535

I guess the retardation finally reached this place too...

Balor/SS1535

As a more substantive reply, however, I will say that the perception of AI creating anything "new" or "innovative" in terms of analysis is entirely false, as it is trained on pre-existing materials and chains of association.  If the output seems "new" or "innovative," that is simply because you yourself are not aware enough of pre-existing materials and chains of association.  At bottom, that means using AI to do what is proposed here is just deciding that you would rather not take the effort to learn about such things for yourself.

Seriously, what's the point of this?  AI is constantly being pushed as a tool for efficiency.  I would assume efficiency is a goal because it would allow us to dedicate more time to the things we enjoy.  So why are we handing the things we enjoy over to AI?  So that we can engage less personally with them?

This forum has been on a slow decline since the Finnish language thread diverted most of the discussion activity anyway, so maybe this is a logical evolution.

Nadir

This normalisation of AI is very concerning. I have also been seeing more and more noise/industrial UG related posters on social media with the tag "AI content". And also from respected names. Wtf?

I mentioned in my review that Anenzephalia's message was more urgent than ever. I cry for most of you, who surrender for comfort. I don't need AI to analyse that!

Flames of Torture

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Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on November 01, 2026, 07:16:55 PMAs a more substantive reply, however, I will say that the perception of AI creating anything "new" or "innovative" in terms of analysis is entirely false, as it is trained on pre-existing materials and chains of association.  If the output seems "new" or "innovative," that is simply because you yourself are not aware enough of pre-existing materials and chains of association.  At bottom, that means using AI to do what is proposed here is just deciding that you would rather not take the effort to learn about such things for yourself.

Seriously, what's the point of this?  AI is constantly being pushed as a tool for efficiency.  I would assume efficiency is a goal because it would allow us to dedicate more time to the things we enjoy.  So why are we handing the things we enjoy over to AI?  So that we can engage less personally with them?

This forum has been on a slow decline since the Finnish language thread diverted most of the discussion activity anyway, so maybe this is a logical evolution.

To your first two paragraphs, yes, well said. AI is not appropriate for analysis. AI cannot "think". If the use of AI replaces the urge to directly engage with art or have conversations with real people... then I think anyone who falls for that is in the process of giving up.

To your last comment. As far as English speaking users go, new threads seem to generate the most talk. I've a few new thread ideas that are half-drafted, perhaps I should finish them soon. I am always pleased to see sincere posts by regulars or newcomers. Surely there are ways to encourage more quality discussion, so let's explore strategies for humans to talk to humans more often. After all, isn't the role of the forum more valuable than ever if "AI content" is spreading like the plague?

Flames of Torture

Quote from: Nadir on November 01, 2026, 07:47:59 PMThis normalisation of AI is very concerning. I have also been seeing more and more noise/industrial UG related posters on social media with the tag "AI content". And also from respected names. Wtf?

I mentioned in my review that Anenzephalia's message was more urgent than ever. I cry for most of you, who surrender for comfort. I don't need AI to analyse that!

You cannot be silenced, if you don't try to speak...