Mauthausen Orchestra

[Volcano Queen]

Found out recently that my favourite part of "Mafarka"—the intensely rattling, multilayered part of side B—wasn't original material at all.

It's "Loop-Dance" by the avant band Biota, from their self-titled album released in 1982, only two years before Mauthausen Orchestra's tape. It's played pretty much in its entirety, spliced once or twice to make it last longer, it's not further edited.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I think same thing applies to bunch of other M.O. stuff. You can hear Whitehouse "total sex" being played in way that just when vocals should hit in, pause button edit is done, hah..  Or perhaps even more weird was the later days 10", where songs related to Beast666 label projects was used pretty much "as is" as M.O. tracks...

[accidental]

Two great posts above

[accidental]

My knowledge of MO is limited. Only have a couple of releases. But the 10" you're speaking of, is that Kiss The Carpet from 1999?

[FreakAnimalFinland]

My knowledge of MO is limited. Only have a couple of releases. But the 10" you're speaking of, is that Kiss The Carpet from 1999?

yes, many of the tracks... I recall are works of Le Syndicat/Beast666 related stuff. So many years I was told by the makers... but I think Beast666 posts even on this forum, so not sure if follows the discussion and wants to comment on it.

[Fanalstatt]

First track of "Conflict" sounds like NON's "Out Out Out" (from 1982), pitched down.
Totally sure he stole that too.

[Andrew McIntosh]

It's interesting that there's talk about Noise pervs stealing Noise from other Noise pervs. Somewhere on this forum I remember reading that Con-Dom used some of Odal's recordings. Makes me wonder how widespread the practice is.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Pretty much all Con-Dom uses other peoples sound, but most often it is credited in covers. There is topic of using other peoples sound somwhere at forum.

[Theodore]

My knowledge of MO is limited. Only have a couple of releases. But the 10" you're speaking of, is that Kiss The Carpet from 1999?

yes, many of the tracks... I recall are works of Le Syndicat/Beast666 related stuff. So many years I was told by the makers... but I think Beast666 posts even on this forum, so not sure if follows the discussion and wants to comment on it.

This album was released as a Mauthausen Orchestra work, but it actually contains tracks by Le Syndicat and Yellowhouse that were ripped off from a cassette I sent to Zoppo in the mid 80's. (Mauthausen Orchestra was originally planned to be included on Journey Into Pain 4MC compilation.) The track titled "Hole" is actually "Vaccine" from KILL SPK compilation, and the other three tracks are all by Le Syndicat.

https://777was666.bandcamp.com/merch/le-syndicat-yellowhouse-kiss-the-carpet-10-45-rpm

[accidental]

First track of "Conflict" sounds like NON's "Out Out Out" (from 1982), pitched down.
Totally sure he stole that too.

Oh, that's interesting. I haven't heard Conflict or the 10"

[Baglady]

Another steal I just discovered - serious what the fuck moment - is that the entirety of Anal Perversions side A is Krang's "Dissonance" from 1981 (also on LP released by Freudwerk in 1989). Stellar material, obviously. And the flipside, which actually is MO as far as I can hear, is a great match. 

[Volcano Queen]

Another steal I just discovered - serious what the fuck moment - is that the entirety of Anal Perversions side A is Krang's "Dissonance" from 1981 (also on LP released by Freudwerk in 1989). Stellar material, obviously. And the flipside, which actually is MO as far as I can hear, is a great match. 

Insane find, holy fuck that's shameless.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Another steal I just discovered - serious what the fuck moment - is that the entirety of Anal Perversions side A is Krang's "Dissonance" from 1981 (also on LP released by Freudwerk in 1989). Stellar material, obviously. And the flipside, which actually is MO as far as I can hear, is a great match. 

I am not surprised, but I have been waiting for years to know what it is. Album is such a stand out stylistically, and it has been given so much credit for being such an early noise recording, it would be curious that one should forward the salutation to Krang! For sure, for example URO LP, it is amazing too, and I recall I still have some of the Krang Uro LP's in mailorder and always sold way slower than MO... hah.

It is curious if it can be even know what is "MO", since even his own works sometimes feels like being build out of sounds pulled from other peoples recordings. I suppose early on man didn't have any gear really, and his noise may have been "mash up" made from other records. It is curious that it would eventually be just putting other guys stuff as is. Old material is so old, there is realistic possibility to find the early 80's material he used. Now that artists is no longer alive, would be hard to get actual confirmation how much of sound he actually made by himself and what was all just pulling sounds from stuff he got from others.

I am not really changing my views on MO stuff, though! "Noise making" in early stages of tape culture may have been so different. Motivation of doing or circulation meant for the tapes may have been entire different. Think of being involved in mail-art extension of experimental sound, where stuff isn't really for sale, and you are barely artist. Just putting together some found stuff, some own ideas, sending out to couple friends you are communicating with... Then 40 years later someone with re-mastered LP edition thinking this is total scam.. while back then being more like italian movie director stealing footage out of nature document and putting some sequences of cannibalism and calling it his film, which it basically is?

90's material felt like he got the keyboards and some gear and material was nowhere near as good as the early ones... Would have to revisit that stuff, but never had much urge to do so.

[tiny_tove]

Another steal I just discovered - serious what the fuck moment - is that the entirety of Anal Perversions side A is Krang's "Dissonance" from 1981 (also on LP released by Freudwerk in 1989). Stellar material, obviously. And the flipside, which actually is MO as far as I can hear, is a great match. 

I am not surprised, but I have been waiting for years to know what it is. Album is such a stand out stylistically, and it has been given so much credit for being such an early noise recording, it would be curious that one should forward the salutation to Krang! For sure, for example URO LP, it is amazing too, and I recall I still have some of the Krang Uro LP's in mailorder and always sold way slower than MO... hah.

Having played with John for about 20 years (incidentally I also performed with him under the Krang monicker live) I can comnfirm the missed gentleman was a sonic genious who could play any tangible project. But he was not very good at marketing, so if labels were not pushing his stuff, nobody noticed, while indeed he did MANY masterpieces and that URO LP has been in heavy rotation since its inception.

I think many youngsters, especially in those days when there was not the availability of devices etc, stole and reinterpreted stuff without even thinking it. I presume in the early tapes I worked on with other peoples there were parts taken from Chazev, etc but I was young and just executing orders ahah BTW MO was a very peculiar charcacter, so probably in his mind he was turning those sounds into something aesthetically different even when sounding the same. Not justifying and surely I can understand the disappointment of original authors, but I belived he was in - twisted - good faith.

[Baglady]

For what it's worth though; Zoppo used 20-ish minutes uncut from Krang's "Dissonance" - the full piece being 40-ish minutes. The "Dissonance" on the 1989 Krang LP is edited down, a best of the full work so to speak. So having Anal Perversions is definitely essential to Krang frans who don't have the 1981 cassette.

And the flipside of Anal Perversions definitely complements the Krang side. Not nearly has refined, complex or skilled, but still in the same spirit. I definitely have my doubts whether that is Zoppo either now. But it doesn't really matter. Killer stuff.