VT

[wypierdalaj]

i think everyone here knows what "Violent Desires" stands for.
as this site is shut down, do you know any "hidden" sites similar to VD? i hope forum policy does allow to talk about this site, if not - let me know.

[RyanWreck]

Maybe you should re-name the title of the thread, although it is not illegal to talk about this stuff or even mention that you have been there it is still a pretty shady topic. It wouldn't be too far off to assume that some agency searches for discussion on this stuff regularly and could easily come up with a search result taking them here. Sites like VD are what me and the guys I used to run Black Hat Forums with, would call "hammer situations". When I used to hack I would keep a small steel cottle mallet under the desk next to my hard-drive so if my door came down I had a few second to smash it to shit.

Honestly, I don't think as many people here know what you are even talking about outside of a handful. Lots of perverts here but not too many that are computer savvy (although you don't really have to be) or care enough to go into the deep. It's an obvious statement that I'm sure you have heard before but I personally have found that real life contacts are better than anything you can see or get over the internet no matter where you are or what you want.

With that said, yes there are a handful sites and forums that are a lot like VD but most are hidden away and you need invited to and require you to use proxies. A lot of these sites also have FTP's that are accessible through private rooms on IRC that are encrypted with blowfish or similar software. Find these things at your own risk. It isn't that difficult once you get your foot in the door. I've never been into the, what we could call, the main target of VD and other sites. I prefer adults getting hurt and there are plenty of sites that cater to real attacks and forced...stuff.

[HongKongGoolagong]

"BBC: What do you think about security of web sites and communication on the Internet.

Cryptome: There is none that is not superficial and illusory. Security and/or privacy policy for the Internet and digital communication are unbelievable. Digital communication should be seen as a spying machine. The Internet is a magnificently appealing means to gather data on its bewitched users -- for harvesting by governments, commerce, institutions and individuals, but especially by the providers of Internet services, distribution systems and equipment."
- John Young interview.

Of course if you have GGG quantum electronics processors you can access TsalalNet and other deeper level sites. Yeah right. In all seriousness the explosion of interest among idiots due to Silk Road publicity means that Tor is no longer remotely secure, expect some knocks on your door OP as the forum you refer to was used as a honeytrap for some time before its 'closure'. Related link of interest: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/01/traders-bitcoin-idUSL6E8ET5K620120401

EDIT to point out for anyone who may be confused that there is no such thing as TsalalNet, the source was entertaining creepypasta, name apparently inspired by Ligotti.

[wypierdalaj]

link is not working, as for "someone knocking on my door", in my country there are no feds, and police writes in 90% on typewriters, because they are too stupic for computers, so i'm not particularly worried about this.
also you would i would have to spread any content to be arrested, for just visiting that kind of shit, they can suck me off.

[HongKongGoolagong]

Well whatever kind of cop, pervert or both you are: (i) your assumption that people who visit this forum are all interested in this material is misguided (ii) if I was going to do anything illegal or secretive, I wouldn't do it on the internet even if I lived in Somalia.

For anyone wondering, the .onion forum mentioned in the title of this thread purports to be a trading point for tips and tricks in the abduction and molestation of children. Much like the Tor sites offering contract killings and human trafficking, the overwhelming majority of postings almost certainly come from law enforcement, trolls and pathetic fantasists. For dark entertainment I would recommend the assisted suicide forums available on the open web instead.

[RyanWreck]

Of course if you have GGG quantum electronics processors you can access TsalalNet and other deeper level sites. Yeah right.

TsalalNet heh

Lol @ GGGQEP That stupid graphic with the iceberg gets so much shit wrong. 80% of the internet exists "below" the so called deep web? Pssh, purely a joke or just dis-information. Whoever made that doesn't even understand TCP/IP layers, Netork-access layer frames and the idea behind TOR routing which can be found right on their website, so believing that this person has access to anything else "deeper" is retarded. But people eat it up and it keeps the idiots searching for "closed shell systems" hardware modifications before they even try to get on so they can stay the fuck away from the real stuff, or as some people believe that the graphic was created to generate extra network traffic so that statistical analysis of that network by law enforcement agencies is a bit more difficult. Who knows.

OP as the forum you refer to was used as a honeytrap for some time before its 'closure'.

Is there any news about it closing down or being a honeypot? I definitely believe that, I actually could never see VD as being a legit site with no government agencies knowing about it, or possibly even running it as you suggest.

And HongKong is right. Even if you don't live in a country where you have to worry about piggies kicking in your door other stuff can happen. And unless you truly know your countries laws then I wouldn't say that nothing can happen. And don't forget that proxies are a requirement for any of this stuff, there is no such thing as redundant when you fuck with this stuff. TOR and I2P isn't enough. if you don't know how to use proxies gtfo of the deep end of the pool. And you know that most computers now-a-days have Chip-Tracking ID technology built in... ;)

[RyanWreck]

*EDIT* There are some actual screenshots around that show exactly what we are talking about here so that you don't have to go look around for it yourself, and I had posted a few of these shots that I found with a simple search but decided to edit them out of this post, not because it was illegal or contained anything at all which would be considered as such, rather it may attract attention which people may not want, and the screenshots of the forums themselves show threads named with very specific key words and terms used by these "types of people" (one example out of hundreds, which some people probably already know, is "Billy Mays") and these specific terms are hidden codes for good reason. Also some of the topics could very easily offend certain people even those people who may think that they can handle it or have already "heard it all before".

[HongKongGoolagong]

Is there any news about it closing down or being a honeypot?

My highly unreliable source was an anonymous pastebin some time ago. This whole area is of course rife with disinfo. I think it was circa 2008 when I saw pushes on /i/ boards to get a hive mind against the Great Firewall of China that I realised just how deep various agencies are involved, with all their endless feuds and squabbling. Related to this thread's subject in particular, OpDarknet seems to have been CIAnonymous taunting the FBI? 

As an observer with no real involvement beyond trying to understand it all, it's fascinating like a sci-fi novel come to life. There is some wild stuff on Cryptocomb lately, enjoy the unusual port activity if you try and follow it up.

[bitewerksMTB]

I read a bit not too long ago about the Deep Net but it didn't mention anything interesting & sounded like a "sci-fi novel". From HongKong's 1st post, there's enough info to search for that leads you to the DN. I was going to d/l Tor but didn't; don't want the extra distractions & it sounds like there's a good chance of picking of viruses, etc. I did learn about Proxies which seems like a good thing to have anyway. Also did not know about BitCoin which sounds like a scam. There's a vid on youtube that shows you how to get Tor & find SilkRoad so if I can find my way there (which I did not) then there has to be law enforcement checking things out.

For doing all that, I assume, you use a proxy then use Tor (did they create the software & the .onion? which is why you have to use them to get there?)? I think the tech stuff which I do not understand is kind of interesting. Unless I have to do it then it's annoying- like watching this vid of how you find free BitCoin's which looked tedious as all hell.

I ran across a blog that had some screengrabs of forum topics but the best was a supposed human experimentation website. The blog was the first on a Google search so easy to find.

[HongKongGoolagong]

Over half a decade now since I first checked out tor hidden services. Back then before all this Not-So-Hidden Wiki bullshit the general forums I found really did make it appear a paradise for criminals: cyber-jihadists, paedophiles and a LOT of credit card crooks. Very far removed from the pure motives of the EFF people, although no doubt people in other nations used (and still do use it) for more noble motives. The most fun I remember was checking my IP geolocation and watching myself switch around the planet every ten seconds. Simple pleasures for simple minds!

I guess it's just interesting finding out about things which are generally hidden. Don't really give a fuck about scientology or their opponents but the non-stop cyberwar over the last fifteen-plus years is fascinating. Likewise knowing that what appears to be an idiotic conspiracy theory forum 'godlikeproductions' is almost certainly some kind of state or military experiment on its users. It was great though to get hold of a Scottish rite freemasonry yearbook recently and reassure myself that yes, there's a lot of carefully kept material which isn't available online and probably never will be.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

As moderator suggestion:
Don't link to illegal sites, don't post illegal images or things suggesting to that. Whatever the topic. If someone wants to observe homicidal lusts or buy stolen credit card data, I'm sure they know where to go?

[Reprobate]

This is some crazy shit. I don't even understand half of what everyone is saying.

[HongKongGoolagong]

This is some crazy shit. I don't even understand half of what everyone is saying.

Just some fringe internet stuff and a buncha geek talk is all. Most people's introduction to this area nowadays is through lurking and observing and trying to understand some of the esoteric talk on imageboards. Before you know it you'll be taking out small governments via your keyboard ;)

Incidentally the OP sent me a PM wondering how to find TsalalNet lol - most entertaining behaviour.  "The content found in TsalalNet may trouble even some of the most adventurous members of the deep web. For example, the raw footage of acts including necrophilia or snuff contain a layer of the mystical or unnatural that could not be explained. Unworldly sounds are heard in accompaniment to the usual grotesque sounds, whilst visuals suggest something ritualistic at play. This can even be found in pornographic content, with videos of nude children covered in animal entrails becoming subjects to strange ceremonies performed by men in dark suits. Popular videos include footage of women having miscarriages of grotesque creatures, complex and perhaps occult snuff videos, videos of unexplainable events deemed too graphic and unusual for other sites, and more."  TsalalNet does not exist, this was fictional material as anyone with a brain can guess, source is 4chan's /x/.

Some wikipedia articles which hopefully explain in simple terms some of the stuff here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymizer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

and here is a highly sensationalist and misleading diagram full of disinfo bullshit about the 'deep Web' - http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KIA2YoeSB8w/ToNQSsUnpqI/AAAAAAAAACo/B_e5GXgdPBQ/s1600/Zay5g.png

Some more entertaining nonsense: http://pastebin.com/rrf3xHZB

[RyanWreck]

This is some crazy shit. I don't even understand half of what everyone is saying.

Just some fringe internet stuff and a buncha geek talk is all. Most people's introduction to this area nowadays is through lurking and observing and trying to understand some of the esoteric talk on imageboards. Before you know it you'll be taking out small governments via your keyboard ;)

Incidentally the OP sent me a PM wondering how to find TsalalNet lol - most entertaining behaviour. 

Haha OP has messaged me too.

It was great though to get hold of a Scottish rite freemasonry yearbook recently and reassure myself that yes, there's a lot of carefully kept material which isn't available online and probably never will be.

My Uncle, Grandfather and Father are all Freemason's and I was planning on joining when I joined the O.T.O. and the A.'.A.'. but decided against it because I had enough work at that time and I don't feel the initiation process would add anything at all beyond what I had already been through. I dropped from my local O.T.O. pretty quickly too, 'twas a joke. The A.'.A.'. on the other hand has been one of the most beneficial things I could have done in terms of being a Thelemite and an initiate. That was another reason to drop from the O.T.O. since most of the material you get later on in one order is given, in private ceremony from mouth to ear, quite early (2=9) in the other.

The oh-so-secret sex Magick practices of the later grades are already written in numerous other sources. Clement de Saint-Marcq's L'Euchariste is one of my favorites and something you may actually enjoy if you haven't read it. It was banned and is still kind of hard to find, especially in English, but it is a very good book that delves deep into the "Secrets" of Jesus and his disciples and what is believed by some to be the "real Holy Grail", which is how the link of Christian Initiates is formed.

[bitewerksMTB]

When I searched "TsalalNet" very little came up which told me it was either ultra secret or bullshit.

One of the blogs I read had links to discussions on a bodybuilding forum which I thought was weird. One person said there's nothing all that special about the so-called Deep Net, it's just websites that can't be found because searchengines can't find sites with .onion.

My Grandfather was a FreeMason.