Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 24, 2012, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Goat93 on May 24, 2012, 09:16:47 AM
You put Industrial Noise and P:e together. But Noise is not Industrial.
We back to terms and differences between industrial and noise again... I think you mean about industrial avantgarde of rock music when you say "industrial", aren't you? Do you see differences between CABARET VOLTAIRE and SPK? Both is so called industrial, but they created different music, yeah? Do you see differences between NON and The HATERS from beginning of 80s? NON is "industrial" or noise? Not only NOISE comes from dada or krautrock. These genres was main influence for so called industrial too (see for example mentioned CABARET VOLTAIRE, NWW, NEUBAUTENS, BCO, and many, many other, not so much well known projects). NOISE (I usually add INDUSTRIAL yet) is the most extreme sub-genre of INDUSTRIAL MUSIC. I consider such groups like TG, SPK, CAVS, CLOCK DVA, EN, LAIBACH, TEST DEPT as industrial avantgarde of rock music, not INDUSTRIAL MUSIC (though TG used this term for them in 1976).
You write that for NOISE the messege isn't important. I don't think so. Were The NEW BLOCKADERS noise group or industrial? If noise, they used manifestos about anti-art, but this "anti..." was message... They saw in destruction process for tool, method and the value, on the level of creation, and on the level of culture/art. Didn't MERZBOW use a message? His fascination to SCUM idea, dead devices, not-well worked products of our civilization, and confrontation various cultures what is a source for start destruction everywhere... This was and still is clear message of MERZBOW, doesn't you see that? Is HANATARASH noise or industrial? Doesn't see and hear in his art fascination to destruction? Isn't there any message? Today noise artists? Probably they use more destruction and apocalyptic idea than so called "stars" in history. Death, war, sickness and atrophy are still important sources for many acts, do you want to mention all of them? I don't say that ALL noise artists clearly use this themes or they believe in apocalypse. Many of them don't use that, but, for me, is something like subconscious and multilayered construction in ART as language to communicate between artist and receiver. If VOMIR don't use any messege, this isn't mean for me that his music doesn't describe this state of agony. This is on metaphysical and abstract level. Why? Because, if artist destroys the sound, changes the real construction and sonic colour, if uses natural or synthetic noise (which is itself an enemy for people considering dangerous for health its technical parameters) this isn't random situation. This has a background...
You Point all to "Music", you ask me about Differences in the Music....but Noise isn't Music, it is Noise. And here we have the Point about it. Noise have not Poped Up after TG get Famous. You can see it with TG (or SPK or or or). First they were Active Art People, later they were Musicians. The Change from Art to just Music came from the Listeners. In my Eyes the "Provocation" and the "Danger" seen from normal Public went down, when an Artist came from Activity and End into Music. But Noise weren't nailed on a single Term or to some Names like Industrial. Btw. When Neubauten maked their Music, Industrial as itself where already dead and Neubauten wheren't Revoluzzer at all, Art Students fits just better. Your Saying about not Accepting a Noise Artist is in my Eyes Contrary to noise itself, you try to nail it to some minimal Topics and try to Classify this with some Projects. But after all, this Artists aren't only focused on some Negative Topics. Merzbow for example went more and more in the opposite Direction within the Music and if you want to nail it really, which Noise Artist is Serious focused in this Topics? Is a English Teacher, who now gives Seminars to Business Class a real Serious Power Electronics Guy? Whats with Euler-Donnersperg or already named Asmus Tietchens or Kontakt der Jünglinge. All not Serious Artists, cause they are not Negative enought?
Take a Whitehouse CD and imagine it without Lyrics, is it Power Electronics anymore? Do you feel a Destructive Message, a Negative Approach from it or is it just....Noise Sounds? As i wrote before you CAN take a Message but you MUSTN'T. And thats quiet a difference. A whole Instrumental SoundScape Album (Without Artwork ect, just the Music itself) is Serious Noise, but can such a Instrumental Soundscape Album be Power Electronics? And when Yes, why? Its no Provocation on it and you must find out the Message for yourself...or just enjoy the Sound...
But maybe you can tell me which Negative, Sexistic, provocative and Destructive Message have the Black Album from Boyd Rice?
