MMA fighter obscene tattoos

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

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In Germoney you have a Long and Intensive History about beeing Negative Provocatet from...nothing. Even in the Small Scenes itself you have Borders, Images and "No Go Areas" without any Sense. For example are there Many Noise~P:e Listeners/Musicians who Boycott/Take Agressive Force against any Kind of Right Winged Images. Its not Relevant if the Project is "real" Right Winged, its enought to Transport hte Images. So the "Just Provocation" Sticker works not well. Ironically it works at the Point, where a Bigger Label is behind it. As Funny Example i have had a Discussion with a "Anti Nazi" Musician and i directed the Discussion to Freak Animal Rex, since the Guy liked the Label (and Specially Haare). So his Problem where then, why could be a Project like Haare can stand next to a Project like Deathkey?
This kind of Onedimensional Thinking is normal and you find it everywhere. The People In the Scene are provocated at all. Think with Pedo Themes are its like Righted Winged, but its easier to find out with Political Matters

yes, I know this situation in Germany. But we talk about provocation in art, not stupid guesswork about political undertone such acts as GO. Is Niko Puhakka (The great Finnish fighter in MMA style) provocateur because he has nazi tatoos? When he fought in Poland he had to cover his body special dress. Why? He has still had those tatoos and most of audience knew about that! I don't consider Left-winged circles in Germany as example provocated people by controversial artists. It is an example of sickness in society.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Is Niko Puhakka (The great Finnish fighter in MMA style) provocateur because he has nazi tatoos? When he fought in Poland he had to cover his body special dress. Why? He has still had those tatoos and most of audience knew about that! I don't consider Left-winged circles in Germany as example provocated people by controversial artists. It is an example of sickness in society.

Puhakka's tattoos are quite explicit. It's not like artist proving point, but him showing his ideas. I mean, having Blood & Honour in chest, Anti-Social probably referring specific band, etc.. Maybe not as explicit as Toni Valtonen. Another finnish MMA fighter...

"I had a crazy and rebellious youth, I made some faults in my past and I am not proud of these marks. I regret that I ever had these tattoos made. Nowadays I am a dedicated family man and professional athlete, and I am not involved in any politics whatsoever."

Now good sporting with whole back wide WHITE PRIDE and swastika tattoos, haha!
http://www.faniq.com/blog/Toni-Valtonen-Has-Swastika-And-Other-Hate-Tattoos-Blog-28526

But maybe another topic, yes... Have to figure out where exactly to cut the topic and what call it. Hopefully not another nazi topic, though!

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

It's not like artist proving point, but him showing his ideas.

How many artists are proving such point like that? 5? 10? I would rather focus to provocation as phenomena in society, especially in art sphere. I guess this term is reserved for mainstreem culture which want to set up boundaries for people (for their safety, as I think).

"I had a crazy and rebellious youth, I made some faults in my past and I am not proud of these marks. I regret that I ever had these tattoos made. Nowadays I am a dedicated family man and professional athlete, and I am not involved in any politics whatsoever."

Erase that dude  if it is something alien for you. I despise people who are ashamed of their views.

[bitewerksMTB]

I saw something not too long ago about Budweiser having issues with a MMA fighter & his tattoos (maybe the White Pride guy). I think Budweiser was sponsoring the event he was fighting in.

Not sure what all the fuss is over on Con-Dom/CE; doesn't sound like they did anything they haven't done before other than performing in front of a few people unfamiliar with them.

[HongKongGoolagong]

"I had a crazy and rebellious youth, I made some faults in my past and I am not proud of these marks. I regret that I ever had these tattoos made. Nowadays I am a dedicated family man and professional athlete, and I am not involved in any politics whatsoever."

Erase that dude  if it is something alien for you. I despise people who are ashamed of their views.

Well, people really do change their views and feel embarrassed later. Ask Tony SWP/NF Wakeford. Never enjoyed his music at all but would also like to offer him a chair at any show I'm playing. If there's one which will support him.

[RyanWreck]

I saw something not too long ago about Budweiser having issues with a MMA fighter & his tattoos (maybe the White Pride guy). I think Budweiser was sponsoring the event he was fighting in.

Not sure what all the fuss is over on Con-Dom/CE; doesn't sound like they did anything they haven't done before other than performing in front of a few people unfamiliar with them.

There are 2 MMA White Pride fighters with tat's like that, both are from Finland (fancy that): Toni Valtonen and Niko Puhakka. The double standard for MMA tattoo's is ridiculous. There are a handful of "Brown Pride" tattoo's out on the mat and I'm sure plenty of other shit.

[locustfurnace]

I saw something not too long ago about Budweiser having issues with a MMA fighter & his tattoos (maybe the White Pride guy). I think Budweiser was sponsoring the event he was fighting in.

Not sure what all the fuss is over on Con-Dom/CE; doesn't sound like they did anything they haven't done before other than performing in front of a few people unfamiliar with them.

There are 2 MMA White Pride fighters with tat's like that, both are from Finland (fancy that): Toni Valtonen and Niko Puhakka. The double standard for MMA tattoo's is ridiculous. There are a handful of "Brown Pride" tattoo's out on the mat and I'm sure plenty of other shit.

If I remember correctly the UFC airbrushed Cain Velasguez "brown pride" tattoo from the fight posters when he was fighting for the belt as to not upset the white folk ha ha...

[bitewerksMTB]

How can you see the tattoos on Eugene Robinson?!?

Did a quick search for Con-Dom's BF set but couldn't find anything. The CE set would be better without a picture, just the audio.

[tiny_tove]

less extreme than the two gentlemen you have been discussing, but caused some stir in Italy as well:

http://www.alessiosakara.tv/

[locustfurnace]

less extreme than the two gentlemen you have been discussing, but caused some stir in Italy as well:

http://www.alessiosakara.tv/

Whys that? Has he some Italian Pride tatts or what?I though I saw somesort of a sunwheel on his arm before but can't be sure.

What about self proclaimed White Nationalist Melvin Costa . "Currently the California governing officials of MMA are deciding as to weather they should ban him from competition due to his political beliefs and National Socialist tattoos."

On the opposite end of the wing we have Jeff Monson who's covered in anarchy / lefty / anti-capitalist tattoos, it would be good to see them two slug it out ha ha :)

[tiny_tove]

In Italy, whatever revers to slightly identitarian issue is considered dubious.

[SiClark]

What about self proclaimed White Nationalist Melvin Costa . "Currently the California governing officials of MMA are deciding as to weather they should ban him from competition due to his political beliefs and National Socialist tattoos."

I tried finding some photos of Melvin Costa and couldn't find a clear shot of the tattoo on his head, I read it was some eagle type design. However I did find a youtube video (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiopuop2HE0) of him fighting and his head tattoo seems to be filled in. It's hard to see exactly what's on his chest but that looks like someone has smudged it with their hand. Maybe forced to remove them?

[locustfurnace]

What about self proclaimed White Nationalist Melvin Costa . "Currently the California governing officials of MMA are deciding as to weather they should ban him from competition due to his political beliefs and National Socialist tattoos."

I tried finding some photos of Melvin Costa and couldn't find a clear shot of the tattoo on his head, I read it was some eagle type design. However I did find a youtube video (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiopuop2HE0) of him fighting and his head tattoo seems to be filled in. It's hard to see exactly what's on his chest but that looks like someone has smudged it with their hand. Maybe forced to remove them?

You are correct, the tatts seem to be smudged with blue(ish) body paint, maybe that fight was to be aired on tv(???)

here's a pic of the chest tatt >


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none i can find of his head or back...but here's a interview with him > http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/melvin-costa-nazi-fighter-speaks-663523/

Here's one of Niko Puhakka who was mentioned earlier >



also a little article on clothing label Hoelzer Reich ("a "Naziesque" clothing company, to put it politely") who used to sponcer alot of mma fighters but with the likes of UFC etc hitting the big time have now had their sponsorships pulled.... > http://www.fightingwords.ca/2010/02/23/reich-stuff-wrong-attitude-racism-in-mma-still-exists-even-though-neo-nazi-clothing-company-has-goose-stepped-away/

ps : @ Si Clark - to save me going over to the noise board and answering you there :) mine is the one-sided cassette also....but good stuff none the less...hope the LP sees the day of light sooner rather than later....

[SiClark]

It's hard to see what kind of design is on his head. It's mentioned somewhere that it's Nazi related but not sure what it is.

[RyanWreck]

I thought it was an Octagon or something. Or an Eagle with its wings tucked in, who knows though. At first I just thought he may have had devil horns and then covered it up, but devil horns don't mean the same thing, I'm sure, in European prisons as they do in the States.