Boxsets you would like to happen?

Started by RyanWreck, May 26, 2012, 04:12:39 AM

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Johann

I would also like to see a Prick Decay box of everything, some of those tapes are so hard to find but that crudeness is unmatched

Balor/SS1535

Quote from: Johann on April 22, 2020, 05:56:04 PM
A complete boxset of The Gerogerigegege would be amazing, over even a complete collection in a boxset of all the 7" similar to the Pica witcyst box...that stuff is not only rare but very expensive, I'm sure it'd bet gobbled up very fast

I second this!

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Quote from: New Forces on April 22, 2020, 06:06:44 PM
It's probably not too early to announce that I'm currently working on a large (or multiple) CD box set of Richard Ramirez's 1990's solo works, remastering from original master tapes where possible. Really excited to give these classics a high quality (and widely available) reissue.

Wow, this is great news!

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Duncan

Quote from: Stipsi on April 24, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Pain jerk 90s stuff.

Hard agree.  I've probably added that to this thread somewhere myself.  I'm not sure if it will happen because he appears to (understandably) be focused on his contemporary work.  However, he has recently started a bandcamp page where lots of unreleased things are showing up.  Here is something from 92 which sounds as though it could have been him cycling through various sounds, creating sources etc but great to hear.  The whole account is worth a look and will hopefully lead to him thinking about placing some older OOP stuff up there

https://painjerkwrackedandruined.bandcamp.com/album/salvage-work-1992

New Forces

Quote from: accidental on April 24, 2020, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: New Forces on April 22, 2020, 06:06:44 PM
It's probably not too early to announce that I'm currently working on a large (or multiple) CD box set of Richard Ramirez's 1990's solo works, remastering from original master tapes where possible. Really excited to give these classics a high quality (and widely available) reissue.

I know of 66 solo releases in the 90s. 28 of them on Deadline/Dumb Art. What kind of "large CD box set" are you aiming for? Skin Crime-size? Any approximately number you could reveal?

It won't be a "complete" collection like the Skin Crime, something more curated due to some limitations - the number of releases and the availability of masters will keep the size much lower.
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Stipsi

Quote from: Duncan on April 24, 2020, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: Stipsi on April 24, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Pain jerk 90s stuff.

Hard agree.  I've probably added that to this thread somewhere myself.  I'm not sure if it will happen because he appears to (understandably) be focused on his contemporary work.  However, he has recently started a bandcamp page where lots of unreleased things are showing up.  Here is something from 92 which sounds as though it could have been him cycling through various sounds, creating sources etc but great to hear.  The whole account is worth a look and will hopefully lead to him thinking about placing some older OOP stuff up there

https://painjerkwrackedandruined.bandcamp.com/album/salvage-work-1992

Yeah.
Have checked out and bought everything immediately.
A lot of gems
Especially the live sets
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Cytokine Storm
Fistfun
Bleeding Cosmos
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cr

May be suggested before...: True Force / Pain Electronics - Tape Boxset with all releases

Duncan

Quote from: Stipsi on April 24, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: Duncan on April 24, 2020, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: Stipsi on April 24, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Pain jerk 90s stuff.

Hard agree.  I've probably added that to this thread somewhere myself.  I'm not sure if it will happen because he appears to (understandably) be focused on his contemporary work.  However, he has recently started a bandcamp page where lots of unreleased things are showing up.  Here is something from 92 which sounds as though it could have been him cycling through various sounds, creating sources etc but great to hear.  The whole account is worth a look and will hopefully lead to him thinking about placing some older OOP stuff up there

https://painjerkwrackedandruined.bandcamp.com/album/salvage-work-1992

Yeah.
Have checked out and bought everything immediately.
A lot of gems
Especially the live sets

As if by magic....

https://painjerkwrackedandruined.bandcamp.com/album/retrogress

Bloated Slutbag

Quote from: Duncan on April 26, 2020, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: Stipsi on April 24, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: Duncan on April 24, 2020, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: Stipsi on April 24, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Pain jerk 90s stuff.

Hard agree.  I've probably added that to this thread somewhere myself.  I'm not sure if it will happen because he appears to (understandably) be focused on his contemporary work.  However, he has recently started a bandcamp page where lots of unreleased things are showing up.  Here is something from 92 which sounds as though it could have been him cycling through various sounds, creating sources etc but great to hear.  The whole account is worth a look and will hopefully lead to him thinking about placing some older OOP stuff up there

https://painjerkwrackedandruined.bandcamp.com/album/salvage-work-1992

Yeah.
Have checked out and bought everything immediately.
A lot of gems
Especially the live sets

As if by magic....

https://painjerkwrackedandruined.bandcamp.com/album/retrogress

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Quote from: accidental on April 30, 2020, 09:38:09 PM
Personally not a big fan or consumer of box sets of previously released material. Exceptions do exist. It's often the consumer's equivalent to the "full discography" of the downloader or even worse. Often completely impersonal. And stripping an individual release from it's artwork and force as a singular release. Little effort and easy to click buy if you've got the money.

It's funny to see the number of ppl begging for box sets. Yet often plenty of material is available. Or possible to get if you look around. Have you bought those? Listened to what you already got?

The purpose behind a box (and reissues) could be many. These days it rarely seem to be to target a potential new younger audience. Or even make it easily available and affordable. The contrary could be Audio Dissection/IR recent output or the 3 Mania reissues. Opposite of that would be the horrendous reissues of Stupid is Stupid and Merzbow record (not box sets but reissues). Prices that exceeds originals. A complete slaughter of splitting pieces in order to get it wax. But good business, great for vinyl-only fools and Collectors with a capital C.

A box/reissue ofcourse goes beyond it's physical sales. Publicity and exposure. Downloads available i guess. That's where the significance is for my favorite target - the Come Org box. Not in it's physically released form.

I think you're basically leveling most of this at VOD releases though, right?  And I agree.  Sheering up pre-existing things so they can pointlessly fit onto vinyl is absurd and best left to dumbo collectors who care more for possessions than what's inside.  But I'm looking right now at CD boxes by Mo*te, Witcyst, Autechre, Henry Cow, Reynols, Masonna and Fylkingen which were the cheapest, simplest way for me to gather all that material in one place and serve as pretty worthwhile collections of groups and projects that totally deserve a retrospective treatment.  Quite a few of these if not all were issued within the last 5-10 years, still easy to find and made up in most cases of totally unobtainable material, so I'm not sure about the point you make of not aiming these released at newer audiences.  Also, nearly all of them contain not only reproductions of the original artwork but lengthy texts and additional images from the archives of the group.  

It's cool to knock over the top fetish items that cost a month's rent and don't even look/sound that good but most box sets and the kind of which we lust over in this thread basically provide exactly the things you seem to be saying they don't?

ConcreteMascara

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Not to totally sidetrack but to Duncan's comment on the Autechre box set from some years ago, I think it's a great example of a mixed bag. Great way to get a ton of quality audio, much of which is OOP, from the best electronic duo of all time, and the price was reasonable. Otherwise disappointing across the board. There's no artwork, which totally sucks as the old artwork was a key piece of the puzzle. The EPs are two or three to a disc. It's remastered which was totally unnecessary. Worst of all I EP7 was split over two discs and not even at the halfway point of that EP! It didn't matter that much to me because I had all of the material already so I didn't need to buy it, but I felt like it was a very lackluster way to introduce new fans to classic Autechre. At that point you might as well just download the EPs and skip the box all together because essentially youre just getting poorly presented CDs. To Accidental's point, best to just get those old CDs second hand as 90% are still very cheap. Maybe not as cheap as the box but you get so much more. I think the same can be applied to many noise and related box sets and reissues.

just look at the boxset vs some of the individual releases...

https://www.discogs.com/Autechre-EPS-1991-2002/release/5773839

https://www.discogs.com/Autechre-Anvil-Vapre/release/3894

https://www.discogs.com/Autechre-Envane/release/2504

https://www.discogs.com/Autechre-EP7/release/3570384
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Duncan

Quote from: ConcreteMascara on May 01, 2020, 04:47:18 AM
Not to totally sidetrack but to Duncan's comment on the Autechre box set from some years ago, I think it's a great example of a mixed bag. Great way to get a ton of quality audio, much of which is OOP, from the best electronic duo of all time, and the price was reasonable. Otherwise disappointing across the board. There's no artwork, which totally sucks as the old artwork was a key piece of the puzzle. The EPs are two or three to a disc. It's remastered which was totally unnecessary. Worst of all I EP7 was split over two discs and not even at the halfway point of that EP! It didn't matter that much to me because I had all of the material already so I didn't need to buy it, but I felt like it was a very lackluster way to introduce new fans to classic Autechre. At that point you might as well just download the EPs and skip the box all together because essentially youre just getting poorly presented CDs. To Accidental's point, best to just get those old CDs second hand as 90% are still very cheap. Maybe not as cheap as the box but you get so much more. I think the same can be applied to many noise and related box sets and reissues.

just look at the boxset vs some of the individual releases...

https://www.discogs.com/Autechre-EPS-1991-2002/release/5773839

https://www.discogs.com/Autechre-Anvil-Vapre/release/3894

https://www.discogs.com/Autechre-Envane/release/2504

https://www.discogs.com/Autechre-EP7/release/3570384


AE would probably be the one out of my list which is the most opportunistic and dumb.  Really I feel the best way to listen to their music (at least the newer stuff) is high quality digital download as this is certainly the best format for the long form works and so much of the basis of their practice is rooted so firmly in pure digital audio.  I got the CD box of the NTS sessions and was surprisingly gifted the LP box when I left an old job so am fortunate to have 2 versions, but I hardly ever use either compared to the digital files I got when preordering the CDs.  These boxes are definitely a case of 'if you issue it, they will buy' but A) at least they are well designed and B) that release was offered in multiple formats in the first place.  Can't speak for any reissues of older stuff but yeah, I can't imagine a situation where key releases of theirs are tough to track down on CD at all.

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Quote from: accidental on May 10, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
Where as originally released the individual title, packaging and content are in symbiosis. Imagine a CD reissue set at €12. Keeping original art as far as possible. As AD/IR did with those three reissues before they caved in for the box. Those three were almost too good to be true. Maybe the splits became an issue?

You mean MO*TE box? I feel it very well justified, as it is a complete thing. Including all the Uncut label output of MO*TE often from split tapes. Artwork of many of these releases is not something that could be blown out to LP sleeve, haha, perhaps not even substance for stand alone jewelbox or digipak. Box was easily to best option than long series of compilation CD's including MO*TE halfs of splits.

I am also not a fan of box set reissues, unless there is sort of proper reason for it. Complete works, I don't need from everybody, but for some artists it works out well. If artwork is rather minimal, one fold J-card, it feels as if cardboard sleeve in box set is better than re-invent the whole thing to suit LP reissue. Or even try to come up with ideas to fill the jewelbox, without ruining the original.


From label perspective, it is clear that often box set is the way to get material to people. Anyone who put out series of stuff, can probably tell, that first, second, perhaps third, people will be into it. You got fourth and fifth coming out, and no matter is it Atrax Morgue, MB, Skin Crime, Streicher, whoever, I can bet that demand is progressively less step by step. Then we may have question: If there is seemingly no demand, why publish 5-30 disc of _____? I would argue that publishing noise is not about the immediate demand or "making money". However, to keep things sustainable, many have to consider options how things get done, what I hope to get done. If you committed to release something you admired and worshipped, box set that people will buy just like they would do for couple stand alone discs may be good option oppesed to putting out 15 stand alone discs of same artist, where 3 first ones are always sold out and 12 others sit in bargain sale lists for decades.

It is a fact, that there is no "good way" to publish noise. As soon as you thought you did perfect thing, there will be guy asking "where's the download code" or "when tape version will be out" or whatever opposite thing that was just done.

But of yes, if my view is asked: Less boxes, more stand alone releases! Less revision, more as-it-was, despite it would mean struggling with artists who thinks his teenage years aesthetics looked like shit.


In near future Industrial Recollections is putting out 3 more Veprisuicida stand alone jewelbox CD's. There are 5th ,6th and 7th reissues of artists on IR. No matter how brilliant they are, it may be fact that there is surprisingly little amount of people who feel utmost urge to get "7th CD" of any artist. hah.. I can live with that fact.

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collapsedhole

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only complaint with skin crime box was the lack of original art. big complaint actually, but overshadowed by my desire to hear/own a collection from a top favorite artist who i know isnt going to have any of what i would consider 'crappy' or 'so-so' material included. the art used i felt was suitably good enough though. other than that, i have played all discs many times except the few titles i already owned. same thing goes for incapacitants 'alchemy box is stupid'... i do wish the packaging of that 'box' was as sturdy as the skin crime box packaging.

if every disc is likely to be good to excellent in terms of quality of noise, there are many artists i would prefer to own a massive box as opposed to individual reissues. maybe because i buy so little music these days, when compared to what i used to spend, i am more excited over the prospect of a truly special item as opposed to just another disc or tape or record to shelve away. 20 disc set of golden era macro for $180 or 1 out of a 20 disc campaign of releases at $10 each... i likely wouldnt buy any of the singles but would cop the box as fast as i could, assuming it was many titles i didn't already own. unless it is special to me for centimental reasons i also have no reservations of selling off the originals i already owned to offset some of the price. for me, the skin crime box almost paid for itself in that manner.

we'd all love that pain jerk box to happen, but i have heard from a reputable source that it has been offered to gomi from some of the biggest & oldest guns in the game and he is 'not interested'.