interesting motion picture soundtracks

Started by P-K, June 05, 2012, 04:41:48 PM

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bitewerksMTB

Yeah, vinyl pressing is totally comparable to cars that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and get up to 200mph...


Zeno Marx

Maybe it wasn't the best analogy, but unless you're inhibited by a pedantic net, the gist is there.  Performance vs utility.
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

Matthias

Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 10, 2013, 01:36:38 AM
GZ are used as budget pressing

Would have agreed on the budget-thing 10-15 years ago perhaps, but the thing is that the prices of GZ are not that cheap, they are pretty much up to par with any other (european) pressingplant. For 7"s, they are even slightly more expensive from my experience. Anyway, while I never had any real issues with the GZ sound quality (to me, that is still mostly a matter of taste more than anything else, and DMM technique may suit some recordings/masters better than others and the other way around), I never really enjoyed the feel of a GZ vinyl. They do feel cheap, overtly plastic and  there's something funky with the grooves.

Zeno Marx

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Something is off about our timeline, or maybe GZ gave Pirates Press loss-leader prices on the package deals to build share in the US market.  Or maybe to not make much off the record pressings but to make their profit on the printing since there are fewer environmental regulations and lower printing costs in the Czech Republic.  As a rough estimate, between 2003-2010, anywhere from 35-75% of the records from US labels that I wanted were pressed at GZ.  I know of at least two well-established US labels claiming they could order from GZ (shipped) for the same or lesser than going to local plants (pick up with no shipping), and because GZ offered unbeatable prices on splatter and colored vinyl, GZ was a no-brainer.  The prices were so competitive that they couldn't deny using them, and for labels and bands less seasoned, Pirates Press was even more desirable because of the one-stop shopping, package deals with budget pricing, and PP agents doing all the work for them.  In this same period, GZ seemed to streamline their process with DMM mastering as default, which I believe is also automated.  The vinyl quality dropped a bit.  They whittled away at their system to increase production and cut costs.  Possibly two different pricing structures for differing markets; one having more competition than the other.

A few years ago, when petroleum prices shot upwards, and when shipping subsequently was affected, GZ cut-throat pricing was adjusted.  In those same cases as before, GZ wasn't nearly as competitive or as viable an option for US labels.  US labels that had been working with Pirates Press were again more tempted to bring that manufacturing back to Rainbow, Archer, and any of the other common USA plants.  The deal was no longer at GZ.

One of the better consequences (IMO) of the skyrocketing worldwide shipping costs is that fewer labels outside of Europe are tempted by GZ.  And to be clear, it isn't a nation thing.  It's a quality issue for me.  I don't want anyone confusing me with one of the folk who are anti-Europe and pro-USA.  That has zero to do with it.  USA plants are chock full of their own clusterfucking.

My point is that they were very successful with gaining foothold in the USA market for various reasons, and it wasn't until maybe 2-3 years ago that GZ pricing stopped being so appetizing here.  They apparently couldn't maintain that pricing, but I've heard (because I ask) little indication that the quality has gone up.

I've been led to believe the grooves are different because they don't adhere to RIAA EQing standards, so they can cut the groove differently, mostly cutting a more shallow/thinner groove (which is also why they can cram 25-30 minutes on a side of an LP, whereas USA plants would prefer staying around the 20 mark).  This obviously also affects dynamics and where DMM compression-like symptoms come into play.  Some of the most beautifully pressed records I've ever seen have come from GZ (1990s product), so I don't have much of an issue with the look and feel of the records, but I can also understand someone feeling they look and feel cheap.  The recent ones do look and feel cheaper than they once did.  They use a strange, harder vinyl.  Maybe lesser rubber content?  I've always wanted to bend one in half and compare how flexible they are compared to other vinyl.  More plastic-like for sure.

I forgot to ask.  Are Europeans familiar with the name Pirates Press and their role as GZ middleman between the pressing plant and the US market?  I think a lot of it grew out of the language barrier situation, and without Pirates Press, the average US customer was intimidated and turned off by using GZ.
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

Scat-O-Logy

Apparently DW will put out a reissue of New York Ripper OST in October...

I thought these were just rumors so I'm quite confused right now... Amazing news, though!

Some tracks from the record:
https://soundcloud.com/deathwaltzrecs/puertorico-club
https://soundcloud.com/deathwaltzrecs/new-york-one-night

bitewerksMTB

Ugh, not a fan of that artwork! I love the movie but the music doesn't do much for me  so I may skip it. DW also has City of the Living Dead in the pipeline, too.

Scat-O-Logy

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 16, 2013, 10:52:31 PM
Ugh, not a fan of that artwork! I love the movie but the music doesn't do much for me  so I may skip it. DW also has City of the Living Dead in the pipeline, too.

Definitely not very nice artwork, especially since the original was so tasty. Not too great music but the film is so fantastic that I might have to grab the OST. I remember there were at least one decent track on it so maybe I make that a proper reason for me to buy the record, hah. Had no glue about City Of The Living Dead. NOW THAT'S EXCITING!!! Paura is one of my favorite Fabio Frizzi compositions.

bitewerksMTB

I'm looking forward to City of the Living Dead. Let's hope DW doesn't pick more EC-inspired comic book art for it!

I go back n' forth on which is my favorite Fulci film, The Beyond or COTLD.

Scat-O-Logy

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 17, 2013, 09:04:19 PM
I'm looking forward to City of the Living Dead. Let's hope DW doesn't pick more EC-inspired comic book art for it!
Damn right!

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 17, 2013, 09:04:19 PM
I go back n' forth on which is my favorite Fulci film, The Beyond or COTLD.
Now that's a tough one! I don't even want to try to pick my favorite Fulci film, be it giallo, zombie or whatnot. By the way, Sette Note In Nero aka The Psychic is really good giallo flick. Watched it from YT some months ago and was really surprised. I mean it's great even for the already-high-standards of Fulci.

Apparently they will also release new Goblin EP. Damn, DW is keeping soundtrack fans busy for sure! Speaking of Goblin, I remember I mentioned some time ago that I ordered pretty much every Goblin record but turned out that one of the sellers wanted to fuck me in the ass instead of selling me records so I was left without Non Ho Sonno, Zombi and Suspiria. Those are good stuff so it's a shame...

Matthias

Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 11, 2013, 11:12:44 PM
I forgot to ask.  Are Europeans familiar with the name Pirates Press and their role as GZ middleman between the pressing plant and the US market?  I think a lot of it grew out of the language barrier situation, and without Pirates Press, the average US customer was intimidated and turned off by using GZ.

Yeah, it always seemed like a weird thing to me to get a pallet of records shipped across the ocean, via a broker or not. Why would anyone do that? I guess money talks, and it's even more fucked up that it's actually cheaper than having the records made in country if that's the case. I heard several people talking about Pirate Press as an actual pressing plant also, so maybe some just don't know what's going on there. Here in Sweden there haven't really been any other options than having the records made in a different country for a while now. I guess Pirate Press are good business for GZ and that they are getting pretty sweet deals, because pressing at GZ as a regular customer here is not that cheap. Recently compared price lists with the other bigger pressing plants in Europe and prices are pretty much similar.


Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on September 16, 2013, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 16, 2013, 10:52:31 PM
Ugh, not a fan of that artwork! I love the movie but the music doesn't do much for me  so I may skip it. DW also has City of the Living Dead in the pipeline, too.

Definitely not very nice artwork, especially since the original was so tasty. Not too great music but the film is so fantastic that I might have to grab the OST.

And what's up with the knife wielder? Shouldn't he be missing two fingers on his right hand? Will pick up though, I for one love that soundtrack, only have it as part of that Italian Shock DVD.

whiteheatnoise

haven't read through this entire thread, but two recent films I viewed with amazing soundtracks were Solaris (the original, of course) and Night of the Living Dead.

ConcreteMascara

I've enjoyed the variation in the Death Waltz art styles generally but that New York Ripper cover is terrible, really really terrible
[death|trigger|impulse]

http://soundcloud.com/user-658220512

Bloated Slutbag

Not sure if I've mentioned it on this board, but I would consider Hans Zimmer's Thin Red Line Soundtrack to be among his best. Mention of Caul in Zeno's ambient list jogged my memory... I was almost half tempted to plug this into the drone thread, but I suppose it had better go here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf50qHdwRKw

So, yes. Very pretty, big budget, soundtracky-y type stuff, but just plain done right. Love it all the way through to children's choir, which, just to show you what a tough guy I am, often brings me to tears.
Someone weaker than you should beat you and brag
And take you for a drag

superskum2013

many many of my fave OST's already posted here , not much to add really but a few of my faves not mentioned here yet , perhaps of interest to some of you here :

H.G. Lewis' soundtrack works (i like the minimal stuff he done for Blood Feast best) , a tiny taste of what i mean can be heard here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkWtLO1Vx0M
a cd been released of his works http://www.amazon.com/Popping-Sounds-Herschell-Gordon-Lewis/dp/B00005Y6R2 , has a lot of cool stuff on it...

and i also really like the kinda "crappy" synth soundtrack of Combat Shock , some of it can be heard here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvrGth9E4ys

bitewerksMTB

I agree with Combat Shock. The synth sounds are pretty good. I haven't watched the film in a few years so can't remember if there is even a soundtrack other than at the end?

More HG Lewis:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDZZwCH9U_I

This will be coming from Death Waltz soon & it's another fave film of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS7k3G_6IjE