Heiner Gehring / SRP / Psychologische Abwehrfront

Started by post-morten, March 13, 2013, 12:56:39 AM

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post-morten

Spurred by Mikko's Germanik radio broadcast, here we go... I've had a couple of releases by SRP for a long time, stylewise reminiscent of Dagda Mor and Turbund Sturmwerk, although not quite in the same league. The person behind the project, Heiner Gehring, also did Psychologische Abwehrfront, which I hadn't heard until Mikko's program, and a few other lesser known projects. He was also the author of a number of books covering a variety of fringe sciences: mind control, ufo's, vril myths, etc.

Around ten years ago he passed away, suddenly and unexpectedly, in what I gather was a malignant form of cancer. Conspiracy loonies came out and accused the CIA for causing his death (much like Hugo Chavez last week) -- allegedly a retribution for him dispersing secret information.

I confess being quite intrigued by Gehring's fate. Basically I'm just wondering if anyone here knows more about him and his motivations, or perhaps have read his books, or maybe even attended some concerts or lectures by him?

Btw, here's an archive that compiles some of his writings, mostly in German language though.

bitewerksMTB

I think I still have a 7" by Psychologische Abwehrfront. Wasn't there a split with Incapacitants too? Seems like I had it but sold/traded it. I don't remember anythng about the 7" at all & do not recall ever reading anything about the guy or his other project so I have no useful information at all. Unless someone wants the P.A. 7"?

tiny_tove

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Ah these are very sad news that give an answer to something I have been asking myself... I was in contact with him back in the days, very kind guy, into conspiracy theories, hollow earth, etc, we traded many things and also gave me his book regarding hollow earth theories.

in the late 90's I had health issues that made me become very slow/unreliable and never sent him a huge package. I was supposed to send him a lot of stuff.
After I got back on my feet and returned to Italy I tried to get back in touch with him but never got an answer, I thought maybe he changed address or was reasonably pissed off with me (I take all the blame, no excuses, and there are at least another couple of persons I disappointed back then), but as I can see the reason was much more tragic...

you made my day much darker...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEj1zvM0Xxw

regarding his books, I have just discovered the vril Myth has been translated also in Italian, I will dig it this week end.
srp was actually a three piece group, I have seen one of them in Germany once but didn't get the chance to meet him (I think his name was Olly, big guy with beard) , so I presume they are still active somehow.
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Goat93

 I liked SRP Stuff from Him a Lot. The Books are nice, too. But nothing special in my Eyes.

FreakAnimalFinland

that split tape where i took the program piece (check: https://soundcloud.com/special-interests-1/si-radio02-germany-small ) is very good. I think this was 3rd track of the tape. Two first ones were solid good material, but quite easylistening. Meaning that they were based on very firm noisy tone, like pushing key from keyboards down and adding bunch of things, but perhaps lacking little of identity what would make track stand out better. Now this selected track, even if being very basic elements of orchestral loop and monk choirs and such things, still stood out as almost too good to be forgotten on format of limited split tape put out 15 years ago...

I recall RRRecords had huge pile of the box-set cover style 7" in their shop. He mentioned tough-guy german industrial-noise used to be best-seller back in 90's so he took big pile of that 7" and nobody was interested... hah! Decade later he still had pile in shelves. I think I actually bough mine 2nd hand from other finnish guy.

I think this is one of those things, that when they came out, you though it most definitely ain't the highlight of the year, but when re-visiting the material, conclusion is that its far better than A LOT of stuff out there what get praised.
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P-K

only got this http://www.discogs.com/SRP-Schriever-Rundflugzeug-Projekt/release/254241 when MDP folded.....must replay, don't remember anything about is, but really liked the Peenemünde tourist-brochure enclosed with it lol

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post-morten

Quote from: P-K on March 15, 2013, 06:08:28 PM
only got this http://www.discogs.com/Kraftwerk-Der-Katalog/release/1996371 when MDP folded.....

That's a Kraftwerk compilation you linked to. Suppose that's not what you meant?

For me P.A. was the standout on the radio program, and although I checked out some more material on Youtube that were not really on par with that track, I'll keep an eye out for the 7".

Uptown Girl

Don't waste your time with reading about this paranormal / mind controlling shit.
Don't support this right-wing conspiracy scene that blames jews and other "communists" for all the bad things that happen on earth every day.

Heil from Germania...


FreakAnimalFinland

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I think it's good question why one would need "paranormal" mind control, if mind control itself is pretty much undeniable fact. Of course matter what you consider "mind control" and what is merely attempt to lure, suggest and offer as possibility.

The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual's sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions or decision making.

In quite recent issue of one Finnish science magazine I was reading was a story of this old study:

Asch Solomon: Effects of group pressure upon the modification and distortion of judgements (1952) ja Opinions and social pressure (1966).



Group of people being studied, asked which of the 3 lines is the same as the line on the left. Within group is people who has job to give false answer. And because so many people appear to give same answer, out of actually observed people, 33% starts to agree. Even if it is obvious that answer is wrong, some of them start to actually believe this is right, and for vast majority conformity simply overrides the necessity of "being right". Some of them believe the group of people had "more information" that they do, so they rather believed group opinion than their own sight. Some just wanted to fit in.
Same test has been done later on, with other kinds of results. It depends on a lot on age and social background.

Still, question would be, can large scale society operate without mind control? And what then, when you simply don't believe anymore on things like parliamentary democratic politics? And don't see it like that and don't want to conform, even when it's presented as only existing form of functional government and only platform of politics.
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Goat93

Maybe Interesting Point in this Matter is in which way Politic work, since one Aspect is normaly, that the People give up their own to a Highter Group of People to be free of Choices to make. "He told me so" Phrase is one of the Main Purpose, why Politic is Held of Mind Control at all, since the People WANT to be Controlled and they don't want to be held Responsible for their doing.

Have forgotten the Name of the Scientist from the US, who tested some normal Guys, how far they would reach, if someone else take the Responsible and give them the Green Light to do so. It endet that most People would Kill in this Case. He tried to Clarify with this Tests, why Concentration Camps in G ermany existed. Where pretty interesting. Will look, if i find it


bitewerksMTB

I think National Geographic did a show repeating the electro-shock experiment. I remember seeing the footage from the orig. experiment- one middleaged man gets pretty upset over the screaming of the person he's 'shocking'. I want to say, the show came on last year so it's probably online.

NatGeo did another about whether or not someone under hypnosis could be ordered to kill. They started out with a room full of people,hyponitzed them then picked a few that went under the best then did experiments to see who'd do things they'd  find objectionable like taking their clothes off in a public space- some would not do it & some faked it so they were dismissed . The final step involved getting into an ice bath; only one person sat in it for the desired time with no issues. He was the final candidate to be 'ordered to kill' which he did. I was skeptical about the whole thing...

FreakAnimalFinland

All these experiments are of course popular science history. They come up every few years. Or how about the conditioning children to be afraid? In the end, not so different how we are conditioned in life in general.

Nice list, with all sorts of touchy subjects of animal, infant, gender, etc experiments:
http://listverse.com/2008/09/07/top-10-unethical-psychological-experiments/

That being said, mind control, I wouldn't say it's some sorts of conspiracy bullshit, but simply so vital part of large scale society you don't need to consider some hypnosis of individual in order to kill, but simply mass hypnosis. Unability to think or questions rather irrational ways of the world.
And at the same time, asking, is it bad thing? I don't think so. If free will remains most of all illusion anyways, some good old mind control is up to its intentions and goals.
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post-morten

Quote from: P-K on March 15, 2013, 06:08:28 PM
only got this http://www.discogs.com/SRP-Schriever-Rundflugzeug-Projekt/release/254241 when MDP folded.....must replay, don't remember anything about is, but really liked the Peenemünde tourist-brochure enclosed with it lol

Yeah, I have that box too. Played the tape a couple of times over the weekend and it's actually better than I remembered. My set comes with of loads of xeroxed inserts about ufo's, the Free Masons, etc and also a little mailorder catalog from Gehring's label I.E.R. (with the following statement: "All prices are without shipping. We're sorry but German Mail is part of the New World Order." He he!).

Wonder if the inserts were randomly selected, since I didn't get that tourist brochure... but there was a promo flyer for his book "Flugscheiben über Peenemünde".  A popular town also within the Finnish scene these days...