LUIGI RUSSOLO - THE ART OF NOISES - MANIFEST 1913 - 100 YEARS / Fascism in art

[online prowler]

( EDIT: Topic moved from music to art section as it has more to do with art & politics than noise.. -Moderator )

It just dawn on me today after talking to a friend about Luigi Russolo. This year it is 100 years ago since he wrote his manifest The Art Of Noises. I would like to dedicate this thread to Russolo, his manifest and related topics. Instead of writing a long essay about him here - which I feel is unnecessary in this forum - I end including his manifest of 1913.

http://www.artype.de/Sammlung/pdf/russolo_noise.pdf

Congrats to you all!  

[Andrew McIntosh]

ALL HAIL!

[Jordan]

http://adhoc.fm/post/help-spread-good-word-william-bennett/

Unfortunately, this is related.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

It would be interesting to know whether any of the boycotts towards venues ever worked out in context of experimental music?
I'm sure most venues are not operated by retards, so merely by getting statement from Cut Hands, they'd know how things are? If people would be offended by WB's supposed "fascist past", there's quite amusement is that is problem in context of art happening focused on Italian futurism...   I'm quite sure you find more fascist & misogynist content from futurism?

[Jordan]

Russolo himself was opposed to fascism. So were a lot, if not most, of the other futurists, despite  the  Marinetti's leanings. There is a book by Alan Antliff whose title escapes me that details the prominence of anarchism within futurism and vorticism, among other movements.

The irony of the fascist thing in this case, however, is not lost on me.

[Jordan]

(at least he opposed fascism later)

It's also worthwhile to note the influence of anarchism on fascism - Cercle Proudhon, D'Annunzio and his largely anarchist army' s Republic of Fiume (the blackshirt uniform was modeled on the uniform of D'Annunzio's army) and the fact that Mussolini was originally an individualist anarchist, before becoming a syndicalist/socialist, then a nationalist-syndicalist/socialist in the early days of fascism, before turning to the right. I could go on, but I'll leave it at that.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

I'm quite sure you find more fascist & misogynist content from futurism?

As far as I know most of them (even Marinetti) had wives and only Marinetti (with a few less known artists) had close relations with Mussolini, only to the end of 20.

[Jordan]

I'm reading this right now:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=13&ved=0CDUQFjACOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fge.tt%2Fapi%2F1%2Ffiles%2F7EvXrdS%2F0%2Fblob%3Fdownload&ei=qVBPUbXJJNLj4APszYGABQ&usg=AFQjCNE4IytDA18b4R9z5xMFMChPgO_sDg
Which suggests that Russolo was, in fact, an adherent to fascism, despite what all the scholarly works on him claim. I'll definitely be looking further into this. I'll also clean up that link and these posts when I get a chance to use a computer.

Whatever the case, 1913 is too early for fascism proper. The link I posted mainly deals with Russolo's involvement with the occult, and I recommend it highly.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

all the scholarly works on him claim. I'll definitely be looking further into this. I'll also clean up that link and these posts when I get a chance to use a computer.

Scholarly works are stupid piece of shit sometimes.... but if even he was fascist, then so what? Is this so important for you, should be?

[Jordan]

all the scholarly works on him claim. I'll definitely be looking further into this. I'll also clean up that link and these posts when I get a chance to use a computer.

Scholarly works are stupid piece of shit sometimes.... but if even he was fascist, then so what? Is this so important for you, should be?

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I'll assume this is some sort of language barrier thing.

(The historical avant garde and it's cultural context is important to me, as it should be to most here. If you're implying that I'm some kind of timid anti fascist, I have a personally library and assorted cultural artifacts to show otherwise. In the final analysis, I am anti-statist, but if you're trying to put me on a level with antifa people, then you're barking up the wrong tree.)

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

all the scholarly works on him claim. I'll definitely be looking further into this. I'll also clean up that link and these posts when I get a chance to use a computer.

Scholarly works are stupid piece of shit sometimes.... but if even he was fascist, then so what? Is this so important for you, should be?

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I'll assume this is some sort of language barrier thing.

If he was fascist it would change your imagination about his art?

[Jordan]

all the scholarly works on him claim. I'll definitely be looking further into this. I'll also clean up that link and these posts when I get a chance to use a computer.

Scholarly works are stupid piece of shit sometimes.... but if even he was fascist, then so what? Is this so important for you, should be?

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I'll assume this is some sort of language barrier thing.

If he was fascist it would change your imagination about his art?

Nope. See above.

[tiny_tove]

http://www.portaledicomo.it/2013/mag-como-luigi-russolo-larte-dei-rumori/

Exhibition in my hometown, 5 mins walk from my place, featuring an original copy of the manifesto.

Futurism was not fascist itself, but set the language style and many forms that made fascism what it became.

Most big names of futurism dealt with fascists: Marinetti, Balla, Depero, Crali, Tato, Forlin, Thayaht, etc. not to mention the architects that formed the so-called rationalist architecture school that was strongly inspired by interventionist Sant'Elia. Terragni, Lingeri (my house was built by him in the 20's and you can see the style made by arches, very high ceilings, etc) , etc all were part of fascism, I cannot say if by faith (like Marinetti), convenience or survival (whatever you may think about the subject, fascism and communism were not a joke and you either fit or you did not).

Russolo was indeed not fascist and with Depero is my fave of the lot.

I am VERY interested/influenced by futurism, possibly my favourite vanguard ever. Marinetti's Mafarka is the quintessence of what I want/like to read.

I love the way they distanced themselves from other artists by actually putting their thoughts into action.





make sure you check this nice hommage of this graphic designer:

http://www.dinamorivoluzione.com/2010/10/poster-dinamo-futurista-e-guido-keller-disponibili/

I have a couple of them in my house

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

all were part of fascism, I cannot say if by faith (like Marinetti), convenience or survival (whatever you may think about the subject, fascism and communism were not a joke and you either fit or you did not).

Marinetti had close relation with Mussolini because he (Marinetti) had utopian idea about government consisted of artists. Mussolini considered it until he came a politician leader in Italy. Besides he used Futurists to promote his fascist party. After several years of constant promises, Marinetti lost even important job in a high school (I don't remember what university), and then lost interest in Mussolini and his fascism.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

The Futurist Manifesto says things in compact form.

If someone opposes WB for saying few things in past (with irony or not), with same logic, they should probably have problem with futurism.
We're not dealing with people who are in need of the text-book-prototype authentic fascists or party member nazis, but we're dealing with people who see some sort of "radical idea" what is not same as theirs, and they feel some sort of pathological need to smear the names of those artists.

Beauty exists only in struggle. There is no masterpiece that has not an aggressive character. Poetry must be a violent assault on the forces of the unknown, to force them to bow before man.

We want to glorify war — the only cure for the world — militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman.

Rather than asking if someone would change their opinion about specific artists if they suddenly realize that all what they admired and all good ideas there, appear to have "fascist leanings"... So perhaps would be asking should they change their opinion about fascism what clearly attracts and affects them.