Black Industrial Metal

Started by Goat93, May 25, 2010, 09:35:30 PM

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I have recently came to appreciate Disiplin from Sweden have strong industrial/noise influences, often very chaotic which is something I really appreciate.
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The influence (or overuse) of BM as a label must of course be linked to its general trendiness. Being a longtime follower of crust I thought it was quite peculiar when overtly BM influences found its way in. There have always been metal in crust of course - from Amebix-derived bands like Misery and Axegrinder and onward, and Venom or  bathory has always been a huge influence on a lot of bands and people I know, but when I was a kid the connections to "black metal" as a subculture was quite difficult and best avoided out of ideological reasons. Perhaps it was different in other countries, I wouldn't know. Of course, now the mainstream assimilation of BM has washed all sense of threat and ideology away (at least in the public eye) which makes it accessible for anyone who wants it. Just like when you talk to people who believe punk was only this rock'n'roll thing which ended with the Sex Pistols, as if DIY-culture never happened. With old time legends buying in to the hype and enjoy the newfound fame (one must assume) and so the whole thing becomes justified and everyone believing that the view on black metal always was this friendly clownmusic with face paint. I do agree with the idea that you should, as an "underground" scene avoid all attempts at appropriation by "manstream channels" but I don't think it can be done completely.

Now I think this is very much part of the postideological ironical-liberal hegemony - where nothing is real, nothing is serious and everything is a product for consumption. Some people become profoundly shocked when they realise there are actual "nazis" (or people with any kind of sincere belief, left right or nada) playing music, doing art etc - since culture is perceived as the domain of liberal flimsiness and simple ironic flirtations.
     

jesusfaggotchrist

Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on August 21, 2012, 12:43:09 AM
I picked up the reissues of the 95 and 96 albums by Mz.412, I like Folkstorm, is there anything similar to this that doesn't involve Henrik at all?

something between this and The Axis Of Peridition.

not even one recommendation? geez...

A.R.GH

Quote from: Unheard on June 16, 2010, 02:01:20 PM
I wouldnt describe "Aborym" as industrial black metal, their electronic sounds are much more on an harsh ebm side rather than noise or industrial
I was about to mention Aborym, but you are kind of right, I wouldn't say "EBM" though, more like electro industrial and IDM is what you can find in their music, I think "with no human intervention" it's a great album, I love it, (whatever style you want to call it) but i can see that's not the kind of "industrial sound" people in this thread is looking for.
I also thought about Abigor's "Fractal possesion" but that might be considered just Bm with electronic influences.

SNR

I am not want to self-promote this, but I read the topic, and I'd like to show you these two tracks abot the topic. These are mainly contains metal noises, synth, junk noise with distorted mic, blastbeats/fast guitar riffs, and black metal vocals. First track have some melody in the beginning, it's mainly feedbacks/metals with the generic black metal sound. At the end of the track, a  P.E.-like vocal part, than a chaotic, wall-like ending. Drum machine, but with a normal speed, not inhuman at all (270-250 BPM). When I maked these tracks, I was in that concept that the mixture of noise and black metal should be similar to this. Not some extremely distorted guitar and than call it "noise". Black Noise for me is black metal with noise layers, and sound. Now I started to abandon this sound, and I want to create more P.E./H.N. only stuff, with the remains of differently executed Black Metal vocals. Maybe someone will like these tracks..

http://halalnihil.bandcamp.com/track/llatk-nz-k-gyerekgyilkosok-visszat-r-lmok
http://halalnihil.bandcamp.com/track/iron-rain-on-your-fathers-grave

jesusfaggotchrist

Quote from: LIFE on June 22, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 27, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
Well, you take the followers of Bone Awl, the whole new scene of "black punk"/"blackened crust" type of stuff. I try to do my best to not get involved in it. I think we'd need someone... perhaps mr. Hum of The Druid who may have had displeasure to see more of that to remind some of the names?

In general, you can say that bands who aren't in any way "metal". And who may pack their demo in american tapes style spray painted cover. It's sold as raw black metal, yet there isn't black nor metal, just raw bedroom/basement punk. But if it was called that, nobody would care. Nowadays you can find anything. Unblackmetal for christian purposes. Red & Anarchist bm. Crust/punk sold as black metal, and so on. When you just apply enough distortion, you call it black metal. Which seems like utterly idiotic reference as if main characteristic of bm would be saturation & distortion.
It makes you wonder what is so cool about this term, but so wrong about itself, that every musical approach and every ideological direction has to be tagged with the brand and expect it still be "bm". If it's not metal, it's not black metal. It is that simple. If its distorted music about feminism & animal rights, there are some other names for it than "bm".

Therefore even if I expect the fusion of bm/industrial, I'm also little sceptical. You know, what is this Skullflower or his side projects doing "black metal"? Oh please. You listen the material and it's same as it always was. Fierce guitar feedback and distorted harmony of lo-fi guitars. How is that black metal?

I think nowadays it is predominantly marketing scam. Having raw guitar in your noise/drone/postpunk/... is nothing new. To use old english font and call it bm seems easy extra points what you otherwise won't get. So I rather expect blackmetal-industrial fusion to come from "BM scene" and from BM musicians, than from indie kids.

Most (but not all) "raw" black metal coming out on tape in the US is about on the same level and I try to keep it at my periphery, but the cheapest offender would have to be something like Grinning Death's Head.... name taken from a Bone Awl song, songs taken from... Bone Awl songs. I think people are so excited by the prospect of a "new scene" they overlook quality of work, nothing new, but on principle alone it's beyond me how a Grinning Death's Head crossed the radar.

You have a lot of people who have already "established" themselves elsewhere getting involved in black metal in the US... mainly from hardcore groups or noise or both. Something along the lines of a "record nerd with a dark side" atmosphere. I don't see this as a big deal, but it's totally acceptable to be suspicious when you hear about "______'s black metal band"... or when magazines do entire articles about some "unexpected" person's interest in black metal. The only thing more pretentious than black metal is this strange leftfield-meets-leftwing conspiracy to control it.

I've said a lot about "black noise" on the other PE board, but the main problem that only seems to get worse with time is that the "black" is usually a reference to black metal and not a more organic idea. It's no different than calling a band "heavy noise", with "heavy" actually referring to heavy metal. I hate that type of shit.  There have been good dark and even black noise releases but how often is it anything more than an aesthetic trick, or worse, just an excuse to use the "infamy" of black metal as a marketing tool? At that point it doesn't make a different whether it's coming from the "bm scene" or the indie rock vampires.



I'm a fairly recent convert to bm, about 7 years now and I'm 30. But I'm very suspicious of this left-wing
Invasion of bm. Black metal isn't supposed to be about life-affirming bullshit.

kettu

#36
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on September 07, 2012, 01:55:04 AM
But I'm very suspicious of this left-wing
Invasion of bm. Black metal isn't supposed to be about life-affirming bullshit.



too right. destroy your life for satan NOT lets eat vegan curry.

im dusting off a few anaal nathrak cds. I remember it being quite extreme in 2001. ill report back.
EDIT: sounds like shit

jesusfaggotchrist

Quote from: kettu on September 07, 2012, 02:08:14 AM
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on September 07, 2012, 01:55:04 AM
But I'm very suspicious of this left-wing
Invasion of bm. Black metal isn't supposed to be about life-affirming bullshit.



too right. destroy your life for satan NOT lets eat vegan curry.

im dusting off a few anaal nathrak cds. I remember it being quite extreme in 2001. ill report back.
EDIT: sounds like shit

I honestly never liked them, waste of time

kettu

the demo collection had some moments but I cant recomend the other stuff I had bought back in the day.

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: kettu on September 07, 2012, 02:08:14 AM
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on September 07, 2012, 01:55:04 AM
But I'm very suspicious of this left-wing
Invasion of bm. Black metal isn't supposed to be about life-affirming bullshit.

too right. destroy your life for satan NOT lets eat vegan curry.

It could be up to debate.
First of all, what is "life affirming" and then, how more evil or "satanic" would be in submission for general traits of modern self loathing popular culture.

I wouldn't find the true nature of BM from either quoted approaches (DYLFS vs. vegan curry). There has always certainly been much more than accepting christian & humanist views of life - and then praising its dullest and most simpleminded "opposite".
I'm not at all surprised that the drug fueled and self loathing "black industrial metal" or shallow visual candy wrapper often appears like the rave party for contemporary faggots. Thematics appear to demand it and the ground where it sinks is very fertile. Unfortunately.

I do wait the moment when there is someone who can combine musical elements of Sutcliffe Jugend, Burzum and Test Dept. I have no interest for the nu-metal meets EBM type of stuff where all elements come from (according to my tastes) the worst sides of metal and electronic music.
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kettu

I was being more provocative  than laying down the law on how things ought to be.
DYLFS at least in how I see it is a poetic way to describe how one has chosen to live. not taking part in so called regular life and the things that go with it or at the very least being aware of your own motives and the fact that they are not in line with whats going on around you.

not literally being a junkie cutter but more of breaking behavioural codes in the hive or pack mentality to be an individual and then channeling that into something.


the music obviously needs to sound evil, I think you can tell if it is absent.

Jaakko V.

#41
Beherit's electronic albums contain some really good ideas about mixing metal and electronic/industrial music, IMO.

Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLmlqvQWoAc

And think about replacing some more synthetic parts with howling feedback, and some of the rhythms with Militia-type percussion. Could work! (Although, I find this perfect just as it is...)

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: kettu on September 11, 2012, 06:32:42 AM
I was being more provocative  than laying down the law on how things ought to be.
DYLFS at least in how I see it is a poetic way to describe how one has chosen to live. not taking part in so called regular life and the things that go with it or at the very least being aware of your own motives and the fact that they are not in line with whats going on around you.

not literally being a junkie cutter but more of breaking behavioural codes in the hive or pack mentality to be an individual and then channeling that into something.

Of course I realized your sentence carries provocation or lets say even humor, heh, but it doesn't change the reality that such posturing has become one quite dominant element in contemporary BM. Where acceptance of many christian and/or humanist views forms the fertile ground for making simple minded assumption that their "opposite" would really be opposite - while it really remains merely very essence of same corrupted mindset.

When thinking of the sound of majority of "industrial BM", it become quite evident that the hedonistic rave/disco and "cybernetic" developments play crucial role, while from point of view of trad euro BM with faustian / luciferian / pagan / NS / etc traits one could assume more suitable influence would be found from apocalyptic post-industrial and lets say "ritual music".

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kettu

#43
jep, I agree with all of that.

theres clearly fertile ground there as I at least see clear connections with industrial and tribal elements. and theres so much juice there compared to raves and these other nonsense. maybe ibm(heh heh) will realize its full potential in years to come.

edit: when I was thinking about these themes I had an acid flashback about Anapthergal-aaria kuolemasta release. tribal elements, heavy ambient, weirdo bm vibes. I think I had it as files at some point but I cant find them.


post-morten

Could the bm cognoscenti here offer me some advise please? There's this festival coming up in November where Arktau Eos are performing among (what I assume are) a bunch of bm and related bands. See festival lineup in a post in the gig thread. Apart from some first generation bm (Darkthrone, Mayhem, etc) I'm really ignorant about this scene, still I'm considering going just to get a chance to see Arktau Eos on Swedish soil, since it's happening just an hour's drive away. So based on the participating bands, are there any of'em that I really shouldn't miss if I decide to go?