David R/Brethren etc. ?

[Moran]

The Chosen feels unambiguously sincere.

[BlackCavendish]

The Chosen feels unambiguously sincere.

Maybe yes, maybe no. My point is that it doesn't matter that much.

[Moran]

The Chosen feels unambiguously sincere.

Maybe yes, maybe no. My point is that it doesn't matter that much.

It doesn't matter much why an artist might have created a release?

[Andrew McIntosh]

Without ambiguity, then, could you expose a bit of your state of mind? Is Brethren the exact expression of your personality? Would you call yourself a misanthrope? A white supremacist?

Yes, I would say Brethren is an exact expression of my personality. I do have other interests and moods, but Brethren only deals with topics that I find worthy of tackling. Brethren deals with many social topics such as race, homosexuality, disease, education and many others. I find certain races to have an overwhelming negative impact on certain societies. One only has to look to college campuses, where African Americans, who are blatant criminals, are studied as heroes, or the manner in which the media portrays weaker races as superior. Yet if any one person shows any signs of white solidarity they are considered racists and in any cases criminals.

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Homosexuality is another topic I deal with which has permeated our culture to an embarrassing level, especially among the left wing liberal media who look up to these subhumans simply because of their sexuality. I find homosexuals to be very similar to African Americans who live to be oppressed and by that I mean they cannot speak or write about anything besides their oppression. It has gotten to the point that homosexuals an dminorities are seen as nothing short of superior in our culture.

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I base much of my distaste for people on factual information, such as personal observation, statistics, etc. I do not uphold any paranoid philosophical views that certain white supremacists many times profess. I am a National Socialist.

From "Necrophonie" magazine. Can't remember the exact year or date but it was I think around the 2010's.

[Cementimental]

I'm not into the silly trollish anti-semitic stuff, I far prefer his earlier more serious, honest and politically meaningful work

ie the space-noise concept album about Micronauts toys

[Cementimental]

A social justice warrior on Power Electronics forum, which all can agree is in 2024 a laughably stupid thing to be.

"being a neo-nazi is bad and stupid' is not a 'social justice warrior' position it's a 'every normal person' position. (ok that's still a fairly unusual thing to be on a PE forum)

[BlackCavendish]

It doesn't matter much why an artist might have created a release?

I didn't say this.
What I meant was that (at least for me, there's no right or wrong here) it's not important whether the guy is a neo-Nazi or not, I'm interested in how the topic was addressed on the album.
When I hear a serial killer-themed album I don't ask myself whether the author wanted to glorify the killer or criticize him.
If the record documents reality, or a possible reality, or maybe just author's point of view on his particular reality, that's fine with me.

[Moran]

It doesn't matter much why an artist might have created a release?

I didn't say this.
What I meant was that (at least for me, there's no right or wrong here) it's not important whether the guy is a neo-Nazi or not, I'm interested in how the topic was addressed on the album.
When I hear a serial killer-themed album I don't ask myself whether the author wanted to glorify the killer or criticize him.
If the record documents reality, or a possible reality, or maybe just author's point of view on his particular reality, that's fine with me.

Without generalizing, the specific Brethren releases are clearly intended to convey some political message that was important to David Rodgers, through sound, visuals and lyrics in cohesion. So knowing how he related to the overt themes would deepen one's understanding of the releases. It's the listener's choice to speculate about or ignore Rodgers' motivations, but it's false to say that his intentions don't matter much in considering his works.

[BarbarianDeathCommand]

I still have permission to keep tape editions available if someone writes and asks, but nothing is at the store.

Maybe a dumb question, but does this mean that there's still tapes available in a more or less low-key, 'under-the-counter' kind of way where customers that explicitly ask are still able to buy a tape or two, even though they are not officially listed in the webstore anymore? Or does this mean 'While I technically still have permission to sell the tapes, I simply have none available currently, even if customers write and ask'?

If it's the first option, that's good to know. Still missing Savage Inequalities, fortunately do have Alienated & Radicalized already. If my assumption is correct I would be happy to know, in which case I'll order some other stuff and make sure to contact you in private about the possibility to add a Brethren tape.

[XXX]

Maybe yes, maybe no.

wish i had saved it but he used to have a white power jogging blog. i highly doubt he wasn't a full blown rascist.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I still have permission to keep tape editions available if someone writes and asks, but nothing is at the store.

Maybe a dumb question, but does this mean that there's still tapes available in a more or less low-key, 'under-the-counter' kind of way where customers that explicitly ask are still able to buy a tape or two, even though they are not officially listed in the webstore anymore? Or does this mean 'While I technically still have permission to sell the tapes, I simply have none available currently, even if customers write and ask'?

Oh yes, but that applies to ANY release. I may have some spare copies of "officially sold out" titles I have put out. Not everything obviously, but some.

Some may know I also operate physical record store, and a lot of stuff that is not on webstore can be there. One looking for anything else, especially from Finnish underground music, can always drop e-mail and ask if something can be arranged. Reply may be "no", but also many things may be possible.


I do recall mr. Brethren regretted calling himself national socialist later on, simply because it was not accurate. He adjusted description later on. I'm cautious to put words into his mouth, but white nationalist of some sort is probably not too far going assumption. Especially, when thinking US tradition in right wing politics, idea of totalitarian state doesn't go very nicely along the ideals often present in american extreme right. Many times when american expression of national socialism is seen, it is more hollywood -esque costume party. That is not what Brethren was about, and especially in his later work, I would suppose lyrics speaks for themselves quite well.


About discussion in this topic, funny situations in chaotic conditions are not really exclusive for any particular political movement or particular subculture. One could easily pick up examples of rebel punks lining up in defense of multinational corporations or state control & medical industry, feminist struggling if they need to consider  dude in dress as something else so they won't be committing social suicide, etc etc.  Media telling dissemination of information is danger for free speech and democracy. Etc.  Mostly, especially from perspective of industrial noise, its sort of absurdism one can view from slight distance without getting very emotional about any of it.

I would suggest topic stays related to Brethren's work. For generic discussion about daily politics or global crisis, I suggest using reddit or such.

[Bigsby]

Fair enough. Anyone have a review/rip of the  Micronauts Electronics record? Timothy McVeigh viewed things through a strict Stars Wars lens, so maybe a deep dive into the Microverse would shed some light on Rodger's nuanced worldviews.

[Kaaoskultti]

I like how in less than one day this thread was basically dredged up with all the political dross that fair enough would benefit places such as Reddit or college youth organizations. Throbbing Gristle had songs about ripping newborn babies off the bellies of pregnant women after torturing them and their husbands, and eating them. "Very friendly", right from the start. Some work from the early 80's is as disturbing as it could get in the later decades, wrought of hatred, violence and degradation. "Victimology 2" of Taint includes samples that makes one question whether or not one is doing good in not stopping the record player before becoming overwhelmed with perversity that transcends description. To be disturbed, or made uncomfortable to say the least, is not a negative thing in my opinion. Rather, it is part of the very essence of conflict that is the basis for the existence of things such as "laws" in our world. Be it emotionally or ideologically, being disturbed and dragged out of the comfort zone into the woods is always a great experience if one is able to manage the darkness not only on the outside world but within ourselves, and I can't think of a better music genre to evoke such as experiences as it is the case with PE.

That being said, I don't care about America, politics, or whatever is happening in the so-called "real" world.

About discussion in this topic, funny situations in chaotic conditions are not really exclusive for any particular political movement or particular subculture. One could easily pick up examples of rebel punks lining up in defense of multinational corporations or state control & medical industry, feminist struggling if they need to consider  dude in dress as something else so they won't be committing social suicide, etc etc.  Media telling dissemination of information is danger for free speech and democracy. Etc.  Mostly, especially from perspective of industrial noise, its sort of absurdism one can view from slight distance without getting very emotional about any of it.

[Bigsby]

I think all your examples are in fact unsettling but also executed with good humor. But no one, no one is disturbed by Brethren. I bet that dude has zero sense of humor.

[excruciation]

well, according to one post in this thread he had a white power jogging thing going so it seems like he has SOME sense of humor.