Extreme live performances

Started by Dr Alex, March 21, 2014, 10:36:23 PM

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Leewar

Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on March 22, 2014, 05:08:24 AM
To blow my own trumpet a little, see http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2971.0

Death Squad and Dave Phillips certainly can be memorably intense. There's a kind of dead-end of absurdity when it comes to self-conscious 'extremity' though - those two guys have content and intelligence but that story of some dimwitted heavy metal guy guesting with Survival Unit would seem to make GG Allin look deep.

Set is far from a dimwitted heavy metal guy, i used to speak to him quite a bit a few years back. A very sharp guy with a wide ranging musical outlook.

martialgodmask

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxJUbd66Vcc

Hanatarash may count I would have thought? Would love to see actual footage of the above rather than just slideshow.

Cementimental

If only, I don't think there is any tho alas. There's a bit more background/detail of the circumstances in David Novak's 'Japanoise' book tho

martialgodmask

Quote from: Cementimental on March 22, 2014, 02:26:35 PM
If only, I don't think there is any tho alas. There's a bit more background/detail of the circumstances in David Novak's 'Japanoise' book tho

I've got the book, not started it yet, that's good to know!

I'm sure Gillham (BLACKOPERATIONS?) mentioned on a forum once that someone might have the footage but I'd've thought it would've surfaced long before now if it was out there. Perhaps he could shed some light whenever he passes through here.

2pf cell

Quote from: Potier on March 22, 2014, 03:35:13 AM
Quote from: Cementimental on March 22, 2014, 12:49:16 AM
Sonically/atmosphere/words-wise, Brian Lewis Sander's set at "Extreme Rituals: A Schimpfluch Carnival" in bristol 2012 is the only noise show I've been to that nearly made me physically ill/have a panic attack

+1 on that one. Funny that this set comes up and funny that somebody actually felt they way that I felt. Something about the intensity/volume/visuals/delivery that was straight forward nauseating and intimidating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRP_YBWPqmE

and a +2 here
i actually had to walk out - i hadn't eaten properly, and the whole thing was just going through me. totally queasy and nauseating.
good work, son

from a different angle, the most violent shows i've been to have been rock shows
gigs by the Cows and Iron Monkey ending in fisticuffs and trashed gear

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chaos_1152

from watching a few clips on YouTube i would say cock esp.

SNR

#22
I really love these kind of executions of shows, sadly (or not sadly) I am pretty more and more bored of these "stand behind the laptop/effect pedals, and not move, or anything" perfomances year-by-year, so, It works for me...
But, to be really honest, I think most of these extreme perfomances nowadays are rarely reach a new level, even if they are good... Sure, some of the stuff always works, like fun with body fluids, humiliation, burning, take piss/cum/droll on picture of pet/children (...) etc:. , but I think if these things are still fit in the "what is law still accept" category, we can't talk something really extreme.
Even If it's change about, what country is, where the perfomance is it. I know that some people want some really fucked up stuff, but they have no guts, to do it... because they will end in a prison, or get stabbed after the perfomance.
Extremity have sometimes a negative effect on the perfomance, audience will more remember about the act, rather than the sound/lyrics... they will remember how fucked up it was, but nothing more... and it's not the perfomer's fault, it's just how it works.

I think Con-Dom was one of the best 'shocking' things what I've seen. Very unpredictable perfomance, a lot of memoriable stuff, close, in-your-face contact with the audience, very small avenue also helped this kind of situtation.. my friend recorded the whole live show, but he lost the tape somewhere... damn, I wish he could found it!

Jaakko V.

"Attacking the audience" is generally one of the lamest things around. The level of threat or extremity not reaching even a standard fist fight between drunkards at a regular hot-dog line in Finland at 4 am. Just out of courtesy towards the band and the performers those tough guys are not usually dealt with, but just looked at with amusement as they push and pull some unfortunate dude in the first row. Which reminds me of a funny story.

Around '93 I think, Impaled Nazarene (a band thought of as really "extreme" by some at the time in Finland) was playing live in Helsinki. During the gig the vocalist Mika gets into this kind of random 'fight' with someone in the audience and gives him a couple of punches. Possibly because it's an eye-opening situation for himself as well, not actually being any kind of tough warrior or anything, he gets all pumped up and starts yelling at the microphone: "if there is someone in the audience who wants more of this, just come one stage right now and I'll deliver!" OK then. Some 2 m tall guy just walks on stage, grabs him by the throat, and with one will aimed hit to the face makes the fucker go down. The rest of the band keeps watching with embarrassment as the vocalist is trying to collect his marbles. Exactly what should happen at every gig where people think their chest-drumming is making an impression, hah. But of course we're all decent, civilised people and we rather just sip a beer with slight amusement, and leave the tough-guy alone to be congratulated with some back-patting friends of his...

Duncan

it could be worth defining a bit further what 'extreme' means here.

What do we mean by extreme performance?  I think it is a term we ought to be careful of really...without wishing to be cynical, there are lots of convincing arguments for why the typical components of extremity as seen here - blood, violence, shit, piss etc - are really not that extreme anymore. Entertaining certainly! but perhaps just another strand of something we can reasonably expect from a certain kind of noise artist.

That said, I do understand the worth in picking out those who are making such performances within our own little fields. I am a big fan of more performative sets with noise/weirdo stuff...all the things I have seen which moved me most fall short of the typical things I have mentioned above, but might be considered extreme in that they initiate an experience very different to the usual polite spectatorship as a chap manipulates some gear.

I guess things that can safely be mentioned at this point would be....

Costes! has this been mentioned already? pretty obvious one I guess?

Damien Dubrovnik seem to have been getting into this kind of thing throughout their last several performances.  I'm not so sure how well it always works but I'm always interested to see what they do next.

A lot of earlier Schimpfluch stuff would be prime candidates here I guess.

If nothing else, this thread is a nice chance to plug the work of YOL. I think some here will know him but most will not be fortunate enough to see him play.  I'll link this one particular performance but all his videos are worth watching. Maybe some others (pete?) will be able to provide more/better examples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJaRRjddRxM

Dr Alex

#25
I'm very interested in Death Squad/MK9 performances. I saw MK9 in Budapest and it's blew me away. Before it I didn't listen so much of his works but after it Death Squad/MK9 become my obsession. Please share your experience if you saw Death Squad or MK9. I would like to see photos where Mike pointing loaded gun to audience.


Death Squad - Live @ Freak Animal Festival 1998.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSHQmmFlWpk&feature=youtu.be

MT

Don't think such photos exist. MK9 has always been superior live. Themes work really well, and the act has been convincing and well executed. Always memorable gigs

blackoperations

#27
Quote from: martialgodmask on March 22, 2014, 04:29:57 PM
I'm sure Gillham (BLACKOPERATIONS?) mentioned on a forum once that someone might have the footage but I'd've thought it would've surfaced long before now if it was out there. Perhaps he could shed some light whenever he passes through here.

no, unfortunately, there's no video footage (or audio either) of that hanatarash backhoe gig that i know of. maybe you are mixing up me possibly saying there must be video footage of the complete live 88 set or something? see clip on youtube. i guess alchemy were going to release it at some point but never did.

the full set of those backhoe gig pictures only surfaced a few years ago. only 2 or 3 of them had ever been seen before after appearing in japanese mags like fool's mate, sakevi's P.O.W, etc. gin satoh (who took them) published a book of his live band photos called 'tokyo rockers 1978-1986' in 2006 which also had some of them in.

F_c_O

http://www.discogs.com/Death-Squad-Intent/release/745439

ntcs version of the 'intent' vhs is on sale on discogs, which includes the video of the 'gun show'.

bitewerksMTB

Quote from: F_c_O on March 24, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
http://www.discogs.com/Death-Squad-Intent/release/745439

ntcs version of the 'intent' vhs is on sale on discogs, which includes the video of the 'gun show'.

You can't really see anything in the video. I use to have it & from what I remember, he's sitting at a table with a lamp. He does something, knocks the lamp over, &
it goes dark so you can't see much other than, maybe, people moving away. I want to say he loads the handgun or does something with a syringe?  I'm surprised the performance isn't on youtube.

Another DS video I had was a short film of a woman shooting up then passing out  right before "THIS IS DEATHSQUAD" appears on the screen. The End. It was taped over
a children's video.