John ZORN & related

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, May 08, 2014, 08:54:21 AM

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Balor/SS1535

An old thread, but it is maybe worth bumping since Zorn has now organized a trilogy of new Painkiller albums?

I missed the first one, but I did pick up The Equinox (reviews online suggest that the second is the better of the two released thus far).  While I have sampled other works from the project online, the only other sustained exposure I have had is through Execution Ground (which I enjoyed a lot).  To my ears, the big evolution seems to be Mick Harris switching from real drums to electronic beats.  Zorn's sax and the bass sound as good as ever, but I'm not sure how into the "techno" direction I will be.  I would like to pick up the third installment when it is released next month if my local record store has it in stock.

Speaking of Tzadik generally, I was really pleased with the Terton album (Outer, Inner, Secret) for its very mellow free jazz and its emphasis on the texture of instruments playing off of one another.  I was never one for big band jazz, but I like these trios.

It might also be worth bringing up that Zorn gets a brief but important mention in Novak's book on Japanoise, as being, according to the author, one of the key early people bringing in noisy Japanese music to the rest of the world.

k.p.g

Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on March 04, 2025, 06:49:34 AMI'm not sure how into the "techno" direction I will be.

Yeah I tried listening to this and it was pretty awful.  Sounds like a cheap Wolf Eyes imitation more often than not.  It also doesn't help that Mick Harris's online pettiness towards his old bandmates has gone from hilarious to just sad to watch.  Kind of sours the whole thing in my eyes.

That being said, Zorn/Tzadik does have some great stuff in the discography.  I don't revisit often though.  One underrated title is the Masada record Pat Metheny did.
Dead Door Unit
French Market Press
etc.

Balor/SS1535

The new Zorn/Dave Lombardo collab is really good, much closer to the Execution Ground-Painkiller than the current iteration of that band.  I was expecting more free jazz improvisation, but Lombardo still has a lot of metal in him in this context.

Bruitiste

Agreed, really dug that one.  If you haven't heard, look around for bootleg live Blade Runner recordings — quartet with Zorn, Lombardo, Frith, and Laswell.  Painkiller-esque as well.  Never went into the studio unfortunately.

Balor/SS1535

Quote from: Bruitiste on July 22, 2025, 08:26:34 PMAgreed, really dug that one.  If you haven't heard, look around for bootleg live Blade Runner recordings — quartet with Zorn, Lombardo, Frith, and Laswell.  Painkiller-esque as well.  Never went into the studio unfortunately.

Very cool, will look into them!  If Laswell is involved too, it might as well be Painkiller.