Chondritic Sound forum weirdness?

Started by RG, June 30, 2010, 02:05:54 AM

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SKY BURIAL

Quote from: Cementimental on January 10, 2011, 12:54:38 AM
There's always Noiseguide.com, that's where rejects from Troniks usually end up. :)

I think there are quite a lot of noiseboard posters who aren't even really aware this forum exists....

Jumping from bad to worse seems counterintuitive.

Cementimental

Well yes that's what I mean, most of the people you don't want posting over here would be more likely to go there anyway.

SKY BURIAL

Quote from: Cementimental on January 10, 2011, 02:38:51 AM
Well yes that's what I mean, most of the people you don't want posting over here would be more likely to go there anyway.

The Island of Misfit Noise.

rottingmouth

For all the (valid) criticisms of the Troniks board it did have its high points.  New releases were typically announced there pretty quickly and the classifieds section was a great place to buy and sell.  Hopefully the classifieds here and elsewhere will pick up in its absence.

glorycamera

I can live without it for sure but on the other hand it was the first forum about noise and (partly) power-electronics if found years ago.

It will be interesting to see if people now will switch and face up here. More curious to see, if the same people who dislike p.e. will show up here too.

FreakAnimalFinland

I hope it will NOT turn another Chondritic Sound.
I have already been thinking what kind of measures to take about sections. My primary interests is discussion and seeing thoughtful enough comments, recommendations, etc. For years, I've been so bored with constant spam from every direction. Big words about releases what clearly mean nothing.
When you check out for example "noise" section, first page.. is there.. 3 discussion topics? And like 50 topics advertising some releases to buy? And, Over here, it is nearly the same. Among 50 release announcements, you can find just handful of topics among "discussions". I mean, as simple topic as "best of the average", would be essential to list very good noise worth to check out. But no. Neither here and especially not in Troniks, nobody will name names. Instead, there is the 50 sales topic appearing.

Tommy C from Abisko/Segerhuva used to run that Post Mortem list. And decided to quit it in moment when it functioned 100% as means of promotion. Every message was the same, as the message of Whitehouse list or some other list/forum.

I know hearing about new releases is vital, but I hope it doesn't happen on expense of suffocating all the potentially interesting discussion what hardly can be found when being mere 2-5% of the posts? I have thought what would be the necessary measures taken. At Chondritic, there's nothing I could do even if I supposedly moderate one section. At here, luckily, it's all in my hands, with hardly any need of democratic decisions, heh..  I recall Doomed Forever has the policy, that advertising is for those who take part of the forum. Was it 100 real posts gives you right to use it for advertising? Over here, I merely introduced the "spam junkyard" where old ads will end up after they've been on main forum for a while. This keeps discussion messages easier to find, yet any old ad may be found with using search or going to junk yard section. But if we see flood of people, who's only motivation is to create income, exclusively self promote, etc. I hope they do have the courtesy of using "classified" instead of discussion forum, which hopefully would be as it says: discussion. If you hear good releases, don't hesitate to contribute. Playlist topic, best of average, canon of pe (!), or even own topics. I'm interested about customer & journalist feedback and well as artists "liner notes", but hardly interested reading another pompous label sale pitch from release that isn't worth damn ;)
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Cementimental

Well it seems to be back online so you can all breathe easy again.

glorycamera

Well, i can totally understand what you said in your last post, admin (dont know you personally so i dont call you "Mikko" out of the blue). I personally think that the idea of having a forum where more serious discussion is going on is a great one and even more when
we can clearly see from the past that many people reject or even hate the themes and the approaches we use and like.
I do really enjoy to read trought long discussions with people who contribute interesting things or personal views on the matter in a constructive way - even more when they not try to talk you into their PC faggotery.

To the one above me, yeah, i guess he can breath easier now - in case what you said is true and the Troniks forum is back to live.
The reason why this lift offs some potential weight is just the fact that i am nearly sure, we dont need any PC extremists and their
"art college noise connection" of political aware and polite people over here. Let them troll at their place and we are all fine.

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: Cementimental on January 10, 2011, 10:46:05 AM
Well it seems to be back online so you can all breathe easy again.

Hasn't it happened before too? If fact, this happened to SI forum in december. I had paid the bills, but they said it takes "few days" to register payment, so for little while, it was offline. Talking about hours, though. But in case of Troniks, isn't it almost annual thing about forgetting the bills? And as far as I recall, it is pretty expensive forum to run. Several hundreds a year?
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GEWALTMONOPOL

Since there can be an expected onslaught in ads I would appreciate if the quality of discussion around certain releases is higher as well. A grey area for sure but I find it EXTREMELY annoying how friends of a label/band will go "WOW WOW HOLY SHIT THIS IS OUT OF THIS WORLD YOU'VE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD ANYTHING LIKE IT WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW..." and then you get it and it's mediocre or even shit. A difficult area to police but I'm sure a few people here know what I'm talking about. The guilty ones are doing no one any favours, least of all their friend who just put out a shitty release and won't be able to improve as long as they keep kissing his ass. Troniks is/was rife with that bullshit.
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Sleep of Ages

Well, I just crashed from Chondritic to here... Everybody gotta start somewhere, right? (don't hate me, hehe)

What always bummed me on that forum was how it seems that noise is only this "ephemeral phenomena", there is just the now, and just for a couple of weeks, and then it´s erased for another faceless people to occupy it´s place. It is a great place to advertise releases, but, it really takes out the "balance" of discussion. I am not a noise scholar, in fact, I am quite a newbie, I must admit, so I am really interested in "learning", not by being taught, but with recommendations and similar, and people seem to keep things for themselves too much... I don't know, maybe some people approach noise only as a collector, not as a listener... And I'm not even touching on the "criticism" factor.
Damn, i love the PE Canon. Is it so hard to take noise seriously sometimes? Just for a change.

Andrew McIntosh

Quote from: Cementimental on January 10, 2011, 10:46:05 AM
Well it seems to be back online so you can all breathe easy again.

Not as far as I can see. I still get the "domain has expired" page.

Does it really cost Greh hundreds a year to keep that thing online? I'm looking at the DomainsNext.com site and there's not a lot of indication about prices I could find. If it is that expensive there would have to be better options around, surely.
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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 10, 2011, 10:37:01 AM
I hope it will NOT turn another Chondritic Sound.
I have already been thinking what kind of measures to take about sections. My primary interests is discussion and seeing thoughtful enough comments, recommendations, etc. For years, I've been so bored with constant spam from every direction. Big words about releases what clearly mean nothing.
When you check out for example "noise" section, first page.. is there.. 3 discussion topics? And like 50 topics advertising some releases to buy? And, Over here, it is nearly the same. Among 50 release announcements, you can find just handful of topics among "discussions". I mean, as simple topic as "best of the average", would be essential to list very good noise worth to check out. But no. Neither here and especially not in Troniks, nobody will name names. Instead, there is the 50 sales topic appearing.

Tommy C from Abisko/Segerhuva used to run that Post Mortem list. And decided to quit it in moment when it functioned 100% as means of promotion. Every message was the same, as the message of Whitehouse list or some other list/forum.

I know hearing about new releases is vital, but I hope it doesn't happen on expense of suffocating all the potentially interesting discussion what hardly can be found when being mere 2-5% of the posts? I have thought what would be the necessary measures taken. At Chondritic, there's nothing I could do even if I supposedly moderate one section. At here, luckily, it's all in my hands, with hardly any need of democratic decisions, heh..  I recall Doomed Forever has the policy, that advertising is for those who take part of the forum. Was it 100 real posts gives you right to use it for advertising? Over here, I merely introduced the "spam junkyard" where old ads will end up after they've been on main forum for a while. This keeps discussion messages easier to find, yet any old ad may be found with using search or going to junk yard section. But if we see flood of people, who's only motivation is to create income, exclusively self promote, etc. I hope they do have the courtesy of using "classified" instead of discussion forum, which hopefully would be as it says: discussion. If you hear good releases, don't hesitate to contribute. Playlist topic, best of average, canon of pe (!), or even own topics. I'm interested about customer & journalist feedback and well as artists "liner notes", but hardly interested reading another pompous label sale pitch from release that isn't worth damn ;)


Why not start a "New Releases" heading under classifieds? If someone wanted to actually discuss a particular release they could post about it in the discussion section. This might cut down the discussion section to fewer threads but the quality of threads would supersede the quantity. Perhaps you could offer some sort of paid advertising (like the magazine) for a more prominent ad on the forum.

red transistor

"Why not start a "New Releases" heading under classifieds?"

An idea I like even more is keep both separate with a "New Releases" heading all for itself.  That is, rename the "CLASSIFIED ADS" section on the index page as "ANNOUNCEMENTS" and subdivide it into 3 separate parts: "Shows", "New Releases" and "Classifieds".


p.s. First post. Hi.

linxtyx

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Quote from: red transistor on January 10, 2011, 04:06:30 PM
"Why not start a "New Releases" heading under classifieds?"

An idea I like even more is keep both separate with a "New Releases" heading all for itself.  That is, rename the "CLASSIFIED ADS" section on the index page as "ANNOUNCEMENTS" and subdivide it into 3 separate parts: "Shows", "New Releases" and "Classifieds".


p.s. First post. Hi.

I agree 100%. Why not to create "New Releases" section side by side to "Classifieds" it would be even more superb. Classifieds for gear,visual art,distros. New Releases for announcements of new material showing up.
I think it would help to clean up General Sound Discussion for sure.

I think the main reason people choose to post new releases on General Sound Discussion is because Classifieds feels like "less viewed corner" of the forum. So if specialized section would show up it would fix this...I predict.