Karlheinz Stockhausen

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, September 01, 2010, 08:10:46 PM

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FreakAnimalFinland

Was just listening to "Prozession" LP. Tamtam, viola, elektronium and piano played by 3 people and Stockhausen operating on filters & potentiometers. It combines experimental classical music with disturbing electronic and acoustic noises. Occasionally highly disturbing and dark sounding. They managed to press nearly 30 minutes sides on LP with intense and clear sound.
Many of his releases, even in CD format (especially the boxes) seem to be such a high priced items, I'm quite cautious what exactly would be mandatory to buy, if looking for noisier and experimental works.

Recommendations?
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heretogo

I'm not really an expert and am curious for recommendations also. But you should definitely look out for the Mikrophonie I -piece. Tam tams, microphones as instruments and Stockhausen armed with the filters. A 2cd on Sony Classical has this + Mikrophonie II and some piano pieces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikrophonie_%28Stockhausen%29

Travis Johnson

Microphonie I
Microphonie II
Kontakte

Zeno Marx

I believe there are several versions of Prozession.  The LP on Candide is a good one.

My favorite is the Hymnen 2LP.  I've meant to pick up the more complete version on 4CD, but I haven't yet.

The Klavierstucke on Wergo is a very good album and the best Stockhausen piano album I've heard.
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

Andrew McIntosh

"Helikopter-Striechquartett", despite the inclusion of the dippy vocals.
Shikata ga nai.

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 02, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
I believe there are several versions of Prozession.  The LP on Candide is a good one.

YEs, this is the version I have. It is one piece, but obviously being LP divided on sides. 27+ min A and 20+min B. I'm kind of tempted to consider also CD version, if without surface noises of old 2nd hand vinyl and continuous playing of entire piece. Question would be, that it says in cover that "program notes enclosed", but I have no inserts. Should there be?

Thanks for recommendations. Going to check some of these.
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Zeno Marx

Prozession on Candide does come with a 2-sided, 2-color insert.  I scanned it at 300dpi.   You can download it here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/416741976/KStockhausen-Prozession-Candide.zip
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Pig

Hymnen is great, and also the shorter Telemusik which I think he recorded shortly before Hymnen. Telemusik samples indigineous music from all around the world, and he also used a lot of sounds off of the shortwave radio on that. Although everything is of course turned through ring modulators and filters into very busy electronic shreeches and fizzes.

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 02, 2010, 01:06:51 AM
"Helikopter-Striechquartett", despite the inclusion of the dippy vocals.

Indeed, vocals are not the best, but I think this is sometimes good quality of avantgarde. That it doesn't really please you 100%, but gives kind of "what the hell?" feel.
This is most true when reading the extensive liner notes, so typical to classical music and avantgarde. This is something perhaps even worth to debate.

My own idea of music/art is, that it should work in many levels. It should be functional as pure musical entertaiment. At the same time, if wanted, it should have depth beyond. Be it religious, political, sexual, social angle or whatever. Something what connects it to true emotion rather than mere skill to perform series of technical gimmicks.
This leads to question of modern art. There was a friend who said that problem of noise is that nobody explains. That you can't really get what the artists actually mean. This in context of offensive/provocative material. He gave example of great modern art, where pile of shit on the floor, is accompanied with 2 sheets of A4, which explains the intent and meaning. And suddenly though theory art transforms into interesting thing.
I tend to disagree, at least on personal level. That it hardly is very good art, if it can't work without 2 sheets of paper explaining. Then rolo of the physical/visual piece could be anything. It could be anything, looking like whatever. And only later you paste on certain theory to awake discussion.
This is something what often is so pretentious in academic music. When you expect that piece itself should work on many levels, automatically. That the reasons how things are done, serve some purpose. But not. Often it seems as if the technic & method of composition or recording has serious gap between the final result.

So lets get back to CD: Helicopter quartet is complex composition. It has 4 guys in 4 helicopters. Each has 3 microphones and camera. Contact mic for strings, vocal mic to catch inside helicopter sound and one microphone capturing the sound of rotating blades as base rhythm. Composition follow the pace of rotors, making it mainly fast paced. All 4 targets are broadcasted via TV/radio link to their own PA & TV towers placed in front of audience in nearly "surround system" style. Audience is being explained what is being done and what is happening.
And when the final piece is relatively interesting experience, one could conclude result is good. But the is also urge to ask: Why?
While a lot of music contains direct emotion (in good and bad), certain cultural reference, what is the nature of music like this? What is the role of certain rituals, concepts or installations, etc. Or is it eventually mere technical process in aim to capture interesting sounds? In such case, I do think that in mid 90's, one could have done much much more intense pieces with helicopter and strings. Especially if financial limitations aren't there. If I would have the financial reality and connections to perform live shows inside amplified factories, that would be perhaps thing most interesting. Nothing new, nothing ideological really, but my strong assumption would be that the piece unleashed in air would be such a sonic phenomena, it would work as piece of art without 5 pages liner notes.
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