Attacks on paris 13/14.11.2015

[tiny_tove]

both behaviors are pathological, yet one was sex driven, this is political. there is quite a difference in between.

Unconscious sexual motivations behind caliphate expansion always there. Jihadi John as new heartthrob pop star martyr, Sally Jones as MILF siren. Eros and Thanatos.

That for sure!!!
sometime faith itself is the biggest fetish (so are ideology and violence), but these people are aiming to something in which sex is only part.

[eraciator]

both behaviors are pathological, yet one was sex driven, this is political. there is quite a difference in between.

Unconscious sexual motivations behind caliphate expansion always there. Jihadi John as new heartthrob pop star martyr, Sally Jones as MILF siren. Eros and Thanatos.

Precisely. Beheading videos as pornography. Not to mention the 70 Virgins which are promised to martyrs. Actually ISIL's views on the subjugation of women seem very similar to some of the shit I've read on here.

A lot of "sexual" serial killers are actually political too as they're an indicator of impotence in the face of the erosion of traditional male roles (partly because of feminism and partly for economic reasons like the decimation of manufacturing jobs).

Anyway, mine's a pint. 

[Theodore]

How come Peter Sutcliffe killing prostitutes is all LOLZ, but ISIL shooting up a "decadent prostitute party" at the Bataclan is so terrible? Have as many enemies as you like, just be consistent, eh? It's the same divinely inspired sadistic impulse in both cases.

I explained you. I hate them ! It's very simple, it doesn't need any further explanation. I don't hate nazis, i don't hate serial killers. You can't ignore my hate and asking me for consistency. It's impossible for me to behave like a "third person", an observer, and do an "academic" conversation about their motives, their psychology etc. When someone wants to destroy me, my family, my nation, my way of living, i don't even care if he's right or wrong. I can think of that later, to not happen to me again if it's my fault. First i have to finish with him.

And to run ahead any possible question about "You will face your enemy better if you understand him". That's true, but doesn't help at all in the middle of war. It would help before + after.

[Andrew McIntosh]

... to run ahead any possible question about "You will face your enemy better if you understand him". That's true, but doesn't help at all in the middle of war.

I don't think Sun Tzu would agree with that, and he literally wrote the book.

The problem is that the IS aren't fighting a conventional war in the West, and it's got everyone flummoxed. Right now, Westerners are reacting exactly how they'd like us to. Despite peoples' best rationalisations, we're all reverting to type. In this, they have the upper hand.

Hating them is a normal, reasonable reaction. I hate them too. If I thought the solution was to bomb them into oblivion you bet I'd be taking it to the streets demanding the governments of the world do just that. But it doesn't work, as just about every shred of evidence from the last - fourteen years, is it? - of the "war on terror" has demonstrated. Short term victories in the form of assassinating leaders at the best, I suppose.

Even understanding them doesn't seem to amount to much. Why are they getting so many people from around the world to join their cause? There's all sorts of reasons that can be given, but in total they amount to "so what" unless some kind of real action can be taken against those reasons. The problem there, of course, is lack of consensus. Do we gaol the little pricks or do we "reach out" to them? Do we "educate" all young Muslims or do we just put their names on lists? Are there any other options? I, for one, have no idea.

The fact is no one seems to really know how to take this war to the IS. Every normal course seems to run dry. I'm happy to be wrong on this. I'm happy to see armies go into Syria and Iraq and push the IS into nothingness. But only if it works and only if it results in no more scum like them. Which, I would say, is impossible.

[Andrew McIntosh]

By the way, here's a possible cross over between serial killing and the current situation which, should this individual follow up his words, should make everyone happy -
https://news.vice.com/article/man-in-joker-mask-vows-to-kill-one-arab-a-week-across-quebec

[F_c_O]

As for what would work against them, I think the assault or 'assault' should happen on several fronts. I don't believe we can choose just one action and go 'welp, this will do', I think we need to do everything from working to get young muslim people integrate, or at least not radicalize. Its no secret that muslim population is biggest population in french prisons and this is really fertile ground for people to become radicalized. On the other hand, we can't stop working through intelligence agencies and others to stop already radicalized people and yet at same time, we should look what we could do at syria. Theres really no simple solution to the issue and no one action but the main idea, based completely on being almost completely uneducated on the issue, is that we should find ways to wage our own sort of guerrilla war against them, do things they don't expect. Now the reaction of bombing them more, people being angry them and such are completely expected and probably something they wanted to achieve all along.

Oh, also this http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/reports-gun-fire-possible-explosions-near-saintdenis-area-paris-france-31252.shtml?wap=0&;

[Zodiac]

The fact is no one seems to really know how to take this war to the IS.

I am not quite sure about that. For the "Islamic State" - who sees itself as a "state" - there are strongholds and even a kind of capital in the syrian
city of Al-Raqqa. I bet a lot of french bombers will make way there very soon (it did start on a small scale yesterday and the french reports say
that heavy damage was dealt to a trainings camp and a commando post). Since the Russians did announce yesterday (or the day before) as well,
that the civil plant which crashed above Sinai was victim to a IS bomb, well now they got a fierce enemy. Putin knows how to deal damage to his
foes and surely he will do exactly that. As he said: "We will not only go on with the bombings, but we will intensify them to the point that this
savages see, there is no good coming to them by doing what they do." (free translation of his words before the Duma). Sure, you cannot crush the
IS with bombs alone but in my mind bombs (real, fucking intense bomb raids - remember Dresden ?) are a good starting point to show this so called
warriors of Allah that their pick-ups and old-style flak weapons are surely not enought to opposse the unleashed power of modern weaopons
technology. I quite sure, that many of this young people from around the world you did mention, will realize that the continuing support for Al-Baghdadi
and his chimera state will let them to sure death and i doubt the 100% obsession of every single one of them - let alone the civilians who are by
fact needed to run every model of a state, however this state looks or operates. Long story short: i am sure that in the aftermath of Paris, the IS
will start to pay for real. I welcome that.

[Theodore]

I kinda agree that they seem to ask for a war in order to unite / radicalize / hardcorize their people. I don't have their leaders for stupid. You can't do such attacks [Paris + Russian plane] and expect no reaction. Or you can ? Till now west kept ignoring them if not supporting them ! So why they not to believe that this will be continued or it will be just a small scale bombing ? I don't know. But i know that ignoring them led to they have a state now ! West must not follow a "They want a war. We won't give them one" dogma. Still i don't think EU + USA will do a real war against them, even now ! Blah, blah, blah, words just for the show till the "public opinion" calm down and "forget" the whole thing. Putin is different kind of player, so Islamic State will have some troubles cause of him.

Staalwaart is right. Such a huge scale bombing attack is the first west must do NOW ! Hundreds of planes bombing their territory every fucking day, every fucking hour for as long as it takes. Weeks, months ?

Islamic terrorism and Jihad is here to stay. We can't beat them. We can't beat lone wolves, autonomous cells. Maybe some, but not all. What we can do now is to destroy their state. And allow no more Muslims coming to our countries. Most jihadists are 2nd / 3rd generation immigrants. I won't apologize cause "Our society made them terrorists". NO ! Native people have / face the same problems as them, even more [caused by them]. We closed ! No more Muslims, and those of them already here who don't like us, they can always go live in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria, wherever. I support their right to live the way they want in their countries [even if it's disgusting for me].

[Andrew McIntosh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FJawiLA9SU

[dontneedyoursociety]

Does anyone understand western foriegn policy? If you did you would know this has been coming for a long time!!!!!

[Bloated Slutbag]

Give the Ayatollah his bomb? With more PhD's from American universities in the (Islamic) Republican cabinet than the US cabinet itself I'm sure they'd have very enlightened views on where to drop it first.

Does anyone understand western foriegn policy? If you did you would know this has been coming for a long time!!!!!

english.khamenei.ir/subject/2241/115-years-of-nonstop-crimes-against-Iran

Still. What's 115 years compared with all eternity?

[tiny_tove]

I am impressed

https://www.facebook.com/thesunvideo/videos/788155897960708/?fref=nf

[Strömkarlen]

I am impressed

https://www.facebook.com/thesunvideo/videos/788155897960708/?fref=nf

Strangely enough so am I. It is pretty damn obvious if you gone take any one you need to hit where it hurts i.e. hit the money flow. The Saudis are off limits as usual but they could have hit the oil from day one but I guess to many people where making to much money.

[tiny_tove]

Totally agree on that.
Anyway reading the official magazine issued by Daesh. The level of retardness in impressive, but it includes very interesting stuff.
I will soon read also the propaganda leaflets they are spreading (Muslim gangs), pretty strong stuff but what I find verz interesting is the language used. They have impressive marketing managers that could only been grown up in Europe.

[Zodiac]

Totally agree on that.
Anyway reading the official magazine issued by Daesh. The level of retardness in impressive, but it includes very interesting stuff.
I will soon read also the propaganda leaflets they are spreading (Muslim gangs), pretty strong stuff but what I find verz interesting is the language used. They have impressive marketing managers that could only been grown up in Europe.

You can bet, that the people who do that magazine DABIQ had some experience before, as does their whole media unit.