Effects of noise/music on tinnitus

Started by Yrjö-Koskinen, May 14, 2016, 10:51:36 PM

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Yrjö-Koskinen

Like many morons who didn't bother to protect their ears in their teens, I suffer from (a rather mild) tinnitus. Since I've been having sort of a Harsh Noise Wall spell lately, I've noticed something interesting. After listening to, say, Vomir for an extended period of time, the ringing sound will be severely modified once I turn the music off. It can acquire a pulsing quality and become a little bit louder, before fading away and becoming the same rather muted, high pitched beep which it usually is. I noticed the exact same thing just now, after listening to Sleep Columns "Damien" wall. I've never really noticed anything similar with other forms of music, but maybe I just haven't thought about it.

Since I saw in some other thread that there's a few other people on this board who hear the ole' rock'n roll permaflute when things get too quiet, I wonder if you recognize this phenomenon, or something similar?
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cantle

Had tinnitus on and off since I was a teen- only get it bad after gifgs now, so it seems to be triggered by volume not sound types at least for me.

F_c_O

I am just glad my ears arent broken yet. My ear canals are fucked up and normal plugs wont fit and cant afford the special ones either. Living on the edge.

tinnitustimulus

This is a known therapy for tinnitus, called noise masking. Supposedly the noise offsets the ringing enough for relief. It's not extremely effective but some clinical research people have turned their tinnitus down with pink and white noise.

I don't really get tinnitus anymore, but I do get this weird flanging effect on high frequencies if I did something loud.

tiny_tove

have been affected by tinnitus since several years. this is the reason I no longer play live/attend gigs.

it improved a lot in the past few years, but last year it started getting bad again. my right ear lost several frequencies and they won't come back.

it started due to somebody throwing a firecracker at me, then worsened at a sick of it all gig, then it passed after a couple of years until it got very bad due to the tires of a train that was slowly approaching the railway station.

to record I use Alpine ear plugs and I have no problems with them, but it is still annoying.

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Tiny Tove, do you know about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9ni%C3%A8re%27s_disease ?

I saw an ENT specialist today for a check-up. I've had mild tinnitus for a long time but I managed to live with it so far, although it can get annoying at times. We did a hearing test (he didn't want to tell me what he used to make those weird sound modulations that sounded really cool) and he told me I had a severe hearing loss and that once it'll start disturbing me seriously, I should get some hearing aid devices. I should also get special earplugs made for my ears because I play live quite often. I'm about to turn 31, I feel a bit too young for this shit (although I've noticed that I make people repeat a lot and that I can't distinguish anything when more than 2 people are talking at the same time.)
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I have got very mild, constant tinnitus on both ears, but it's not the thing thats bother me: I think I got more sensitive to lower human speaking sounds, then the really harsh ones. So basically, I barely can stand some people, animal sounds, even if its not as loud as a mechanical, or PA noise. I think its more anout the dynamics but the frequencies.

calaverasgrande

Yeah I have the tinnitus.
People can say what they want, but I can never perform with plugs in. And that has put me at the mercy of dozens of inept soundguys. Yes I like it loud, that doesn't mean I want the midrange 10Db louder than the bass and treble.
It also does not help to play drums.
I'm waiting on cochlear implants a la Ghost in the Shell.
Noise masking only works for a little while.

FreakAnimalFinland

I used to have severe problems in both ears, but it has gone much more mild. Not only tinnitus in form of high pitched "sin-tone" type of whistle, but also issues with pressure, additional humming, clicks and snaps and such. Over sensitivity to sound. Not even loud sounds, but sounds in general. Any sudden sound could result "shock reaction", being as small as assembling jewel boxes.

However, during few years and being careful with loud situations, it got better and it's no longer disturbingly strong.

Few things what I have learned and read about tinnitus, is that for some people, it is also very much physical issue. Even as simple as neck-muscle tension. If tinnitus is simply the one specific frequency ringing in your ears, I believe there has been successful ways of helping it with adding graphic EQ to stereo system, muting the ringing frequency totally and playing music through-out the night. Theory of some of tinnitus being more of brain related trauma has been proven by this. Brain slowly adjusts traumatized frequency may heal. More simple physical side may be even more clear. Delicate ears damaged merely be sitting hours and hours at shitty deck job. Even with zero noise involved.
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tiny_tove

as mentioned, things got serious for me after being too close to train tyres...
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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 22, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
I used to have severe problems in both ears, but it has gone much more mild. Not only tinnitus in form of high pitched "sin-tone" type of whistle, but also issues with pressure, additional humming, clicks and snaps and such. Over sensitivity to sound. Not even loud sounds, but sounds in general. Any sudden sound could result "shock reaction", being as small as assembling jewel boxes.


I have all of this that you mention, and have done for six years now. The pressure in my ears came directly from a plane landing, the usual sensation people have but it never went away. Went to an ear specialist last year but that wasn't very fruitful. This issue came just a couple of months after getting permanent tinnitus. It was a pretty shitty double whammy it has to be said.


oOoOoOo

This is why I wish I could pump music directly into my brain, I get so worried about my hearing. I actually haven't been listening to noise much lately because I actually did start getting minor tinnitus. I'd get a clicking in my ear at any sudden loud sharp sound. I stopped listening to music that much for a while though, and lately it's gone away which is fucking great because I'm pretty young, too young to get hearing damage.

calaverasgrande

Quote from: Dr Alex on July 20, 2016, 01:27:27 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/human-hearing-loss-could-be-reversible/491777/?utm_source=atltw
Yes please. I'd love to get back the hearing I used to have.
When I was a lot younger I could hear all kinds of harmonics and high frequencies. I'm pretty sure I had better than normal hearing.  But of course I abused it with loud amps and playing drums.

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Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on May 21, 2016, 03:04:22 AM
Tiny Tove, do you know about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9ni%C3%A8re%27s_disease ?

I saw an ENT specialist today for a check-up. I've had mild tinnitus for a long time but I managed to live with it so far, although it can get annoying at times. We did a hearing test (he didn't want to tell me what he used to make those weird sound modulations that sounded really cool) and he told me I had a severe hearing loss and that once it'll start disturbing me seriously, I should get some hearing aid devices. I should also get special earplugs made for my ears because I play live quite often. I'm about to turn 31, I feel a bit too young for this shit (although I've noticed that I make people repeat a lot and that I can't distinguish anything when more than 2 people are talking at the same time.)

As one that actually does have Meniere's Disease, I often wonder if that wasn't what drove me to noise in the first place. Some sounds (like thumping bass, for example) are intolerable for me, while noise is a soothing reprieve from the general sounds of the world. I could do without the bouts of vertigo, and I likely am steadily damaging my hearing with harsh noise, but it sure feels like medicine to me - hence "Prescription-Strength Noise".
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