HNW Essentials ?

[Infirmary]

But would you like to be? :)
That's what I meant, or is it the fact that movie samples of these hidden perversions, etc.. are used in edits and as source material?
I don't think my previous question was understood.

[Urashima]

My English is not so good and my head is sick!
Use what you feel is more familiar as the source material. You can add dialogs / screaming / etc. taken from the movie as an introduction, a central theme or closure of the track according to your own mental involvement in that particular scene in the movie. The film can also affect the artwork and titles of what you're doing.

I will release very very soon a tribute to Richard Ramirez about his work inspired by the ''Giallo'' movie titled Black Glove Mania in a series of 7" in ultra limited quantities ... just for fanatics of HNW and / or Giallo movie!!!

[Infirmary]

My English is not so good and my head is sick!
Use what you feel is more familiar as the source material. You can add dialogs / screaming / etc. taken from the movie as an introduction, a central theme or closure of the track according to your own mental involvement in that particular scene in the movie. The film can also affect the artwork and titles of what you're doing.

I will release very very soon a tribute to Richard Ramirez about his work inspired by the ''Giallo'' movie titled Black Glove Mania in a series of 7" in ultra limited quantities ... just for fanatics of HNW and / or Giallo movie!!!

Thanks, that answered my question perfectly. I've always loved the sound of the true Giallo-inspired projects, going to start watching through more of the movies soon. It's been made a lot easier (and less expensive) to check them out since I started using Netflix.

[DESICCATED HUSK]

so much to wade through, gonna have to take it in pieces...

What irks me is about HNW is the "we're obsessed with Gialli"-trend. Fine, I like Argento etc. too but everyone doesn't have to start a HNW project about it...

ok, but just let me point out there's NOT MUCH HNW connected to giallo nowadays...
mostly richard ramirez's own projects and his friends

Through a quick Google search:

An innocent young throatcutter
Macchie Solari
Four flies
Vice Wears Black Hose
Fukte
LadyKiller
La Tarantola dal Ventre Nero
Hatchet for the Honeymoon
Torso
L'occhio Nel Labirinto
Death Carries a Cane
House with laughing windows

...nuf said?

Btw I'm not opposed to HNW, I actually like some of the stuff. I just don't need so much of it & I wish people would use their imagination a bit more. "Hey, Giallo HNW! I can do that! I think I'll do it just like those other dudes!"

that list just confirms what i told you, in fact almost ALL those ARE richard's own projects or his friends'
(i guess only Fukte isn't 'richard related', he's a friend of mine and probably just one or two of his releases have the giallo theme anyway)

check out richard's projects list on discogs
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Richard+Ramirez

anyway, EVERYBODY on the scene knows that almost only richard and his close friends are still using the giallo theme
please don't confuse his own obsession and tastes with the whole scene, that's plain false

According to the discogs list, Richard's involved in four of those, so not exactly "almost all", but whatever, and afaik f.e. House with laughing windows is Mac of Koufar & some dude (he does have a project w/Richard though...Solange Tutunji, if memory serves.)
But I'll stop now. :)

that: and his close friends is what your missing... besides fukte and h.w.l.w. how many other projects have releases on deadline/dead audio tapes/ or h series...
ALL OF THEM.
for extra credit follow the members to their other projects...
most of them have a member who at one time or another has collaborated with Richard. a good chunk of these groups have people who live in houston or the surrounding area.

[DESICCATED HUSK]

essentials :

the rita - thousands of dead gods
vomir - proanomie

this is a good start, but would also like to add total slitting... as mentioned earlier.
and werewolf jerusalem is a little harder because most of it is super limited.
but how about masked spider of the first or tension...

if you find yourself unsatisfied after that, then you need to dig a little more.

[DESICCATED HUSK]

and the last post for now...
as this one deals more with theory/practice.

Majority of recordings of wall of noise which I hear, is indeed something close to line-in recordings. Focusing on rumbles / crackles / hiss / fuzz in ways that its pretty much the "super close-up" of the sound. More of hearing the sound of pedal rather than sound of amps in room for example. Listening the details of crackles and distortion fuzz, rather than loud amplifier damage.

i don't see a real difference between the sound of a pedal and amplifier damage. Both are distorted clipping sounds, but never mind that, look at it this way.
when you record at home is it the same EXACT process you do to play live?
or do you pull out a few extra bells and whistles for the recording?
live HNW is more about "amplifier damage", recording is for bringing out greater detail that you could never hear in a live setting.

Get "Total Slitting Of Throats" then forget about the genre as a whole. You'll have the whole "militant harsh noise wall" thing right there in one handy album.

As for projects that actually identify as HNW, The Rita, The Cherry Point, maybe the odd bit of Vomir, and that's it.

As for the rest, don't even piss on them. It has become too fucking easy for people to toss off "HNW". Find a tone you like, record it for an hour, stick it on a tape, there's your release. I've noticed nearly every second Noise release these days is classified as "HNW" and it's shitting me. It's too easy to do, that's why there's so much of it. There is PLENTY of Noise that is so built up and layered it could be passed off as "HNW" and that's usually the more interesting material.

But my advice is, anything labelled as HNW these days is best ignored. The world does not need another fucking box set of variations on a bit of static crackle.

What we need is a discussion on minimalism. That would cover a lot more ground.

replace HNW with power electronics
replace The Rita with Whitehouse
replace Cherry Point with Sutcliffe Jugend...
and you can do that with just about any genre.

bottom line is it's either a sound you like or you don't.

HNW has a lot to do with minimalism, i don't think most of the HNW guys would argue that.
i personally think it also has a lot to do with exploring audio texture as well.
is it easy to make, yeah, i guess it could be.
but there's really no money in HNW, anyone doing it (and making multiple releases over several years) is doing it simply because they want to.

The whole concept-driven thing is kind of funny to me...this release is about creepy urban landscapes at night = 30 minutes of crunching static. Or this release is about rape and dominance = 30 minutes of crunching static. Or this release is about mass graves and genocide = 30 minutes of crunching static.

well i'm not gonna speak for anyone else, but the subject matter i may use for a release is usually what inspired me to make the wall in the first place.
it's usually WHY i created the static in the first place.

GRIZ+ZLOR is a project that should be known. Track on the ADR comp

yes that track is very nice. is all their material in the same vein?

not all my stuff is EXACTLY like that, but it all focuses mostly on different textures.
feel free to poke around: http://caveofthegrizzlor.bandcamp.com/

[Andrew McIntosh]

I've barely touched the neo-wall noise surface, and just one example of someone who continues to slip undrer the radar, with as horrible as the moniker is, Heamorraging Fetus is truly impressive noise. 

Got my copy of the "Procreation: A Disease/Tangled Desires" lp just today. On first listen, yes, certainly nothing to complain about. Well recorded, heavy, harsh, the whole bit. The only thing is to me it sounds to me pretty much like almost standard-issue Harsh Noise; pretty good standard-issue Harsh Noise, and certainly without a lot of jaggedness and and high-end that some projects will include, but basically it's Harsh Noise and I can't really understand why it would be placed in a category that's meant to be distinct from the rest of Harsh Noise in general. There's nothing about it that makes me think, "oh, right, Wall Noise".

[whereisthis]

Essentials (all with many copies/available):

Vomir - Proanomie
Werewolf Jerusalem - Music for Mass Radio (newly reprinted)
V/A - Harsh Purification 4CDR box set
Hum and Hiss Net Label

I make HNW too (as well as noise, HN, industrial stuff, some vocalless pe. It depends on the record/time period. Let's just say noise, okay) and for me, it's really not a case of "switch on, let effects do the work". Last HNW/Wall Noise record I've been working on had at least seven different versions of the album-length track. The parallel with minimalism is interesting too. Whilst my WN can be quite active at times, I love HNW because of the small shifts in texture. I saw Vomir live last week and I was blown away by his set. (also, off-topic, my ears still haven't totally recovered)

Btw, the idea of P.E. screaming on Proanomie. Just. Wrong. Mainly because as records go, that's pretty fucking perfect. Been trying to get my hands on the special edition cd+cdr for a while now with no such luck.

[causticbarricade]

Dead Body Collection
Vargrwulf
Skönhet and related projects
Fouke
Cannibal Ritual and related projects
Foul and related projects
Unearthed
Alo Girl
Gomeisa
Forced Orgasm
Ritual Stance
Namazu Dantai
Placenta Lyposuction
Gigant

are all essentials in my book. there are alot of others, but these are just off the top of my head :p

since most hnw stuff goes pretty quickly it just makes sense to follow artists rather than seek out a particular release. Some good ones if you can get ahold of em are the Vomir/Ecoute La Merde split on narcolepsia, Dead Body Collection 'dental butchery', In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni HNW Box, Last Rape box on HFFL, Concrete Threat box on HFFL, Fouke 'batatut', anything by Gomeisa.....

[alessio]

i find quite difficult to talk about 'essentials' (as there are tons of releases out there, very limited, which makes it quite difficult to point some out of the bunch)
lists i usually see around are more about personal favorites, which is good but everyone obviously has his/her owns

talking about which are considered classics, you can easily go for the founding fathers
(all easily available)

the rita, bodies bear traces of carnal violence / thousands of dead gods
total slitting of throats
werewolf jerusalem, the flies of our tragic dear
vomir, proanomie, of course
and probably even sewer election + trerikroset, the killing sessions

anyway personally i find HNW to be very tied to personal tastes (probably more than other genres), so you may better do some research, listen to some samples and find artist whose sound/approach you really like

boxes may be a good and convenient starting point too, like the In Girum Imus Nocte Et Consumimur Igni on Zvukovina which has 7 CDrs (!!), the data DVDr on Stasis, or Brick By Brick on Small Doses, there probably are others similar that just don't come to mind right now